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Originally posted by Funkymonk:
Oh, BTW hate to say i told you so but judging by the critical and commercial success of Neon bible i have to say that i was correct about Arcade Fire.

...hang on a second. are you seriously crediting yourself with predicting the arcade fire would be huge this year with a great album?

i predicted that wednesday would follow tuesday yesterday, but im not hitting up blogs boasting about it now that my insight has paid dividends.

what a bender!

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Posted by Illiniq
..there are more staggeringly exciting musical ideas in just any three or four songs off OK Computer than Dylan has conjured up in his entire forty year career.

This is one of the most ignorant and absurd comments I've ever read on these boards, and that's saying something with all the 'Head hype round these parts.

Mate, firstly, Radiohead have taken nearly everything they do from a lesser known act..see AMM, Aphex Twin, Albert Ayler for starters.

Secondly, you have an extraordinary musical ignorance if you think Dylan is pedestrian musically. Sit down and play through his catalogue on guitar, and then try to make this ridiculous point.
The man has dozens and dozens of jaw dropping song craft moments, obvious if you look closely, and claiming his arrangements are pedestrian...oh, look, there is no point going on.

You are so unbelievably wrong; I just wish people would refrain from such foolish, and shamelessly revisionist tripe.

And to the topic at hand....go Battles!!!

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Originally posted by Illiniq:

..there are more staggeringly exciting musical ideas in just any three or four songs off OK Computer than Dylan has conjured up in his entire forty year career.

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Originally posted by Ishmaels coffin:

This is one of the most ignorant and absurd comments I've ever read on these boards

While you have taken the quote out of context a bit Ish (Illiniq's original post was not as dismissive of Dylan as this one quote may seem) I do agree that he's way off base. Maybe Dylan's stuff seems a bit musically pedestrian by today's standards - that could be arguable I suppose. In the 60s, however, it most certainly was not. You mentioned bringing electric guitars and folk together, which was a huge deal.

I'm a huge Radiohead fan, but they're still essentially following a verse/chorus format in most of their songs as well. I'm not really seeing how their musical ideas are revolutionary compared to Dyaln, especially on OK Computer.

see, less, what am I arguing is that Dylan at his best is never musically pedestrian. He does inventive things with chords and harmonies, and if someone sits down with a acoustic and plays through some of his finest, its clear how wonderful and unique he is musically.

I think illiniq got carried away at the end of his post in a rush of blood to the head maybe...I like Radiohead a lot, have all their albums since I bought Pablo Honey, but they are certainly not revolutionary, or possessed of particularly exciting fresh musical ideas....

pedestrian...try Hootie and the Blowfish, now thats pedestrian songwriting...compare that to something like All Along the Watchtower...
anyway, enough of Dylan on a thread about new stuff ha ha....

Awesome Color should be HUGE in 2007!!

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see, less, what am I arguing is that Dylan at his best is never musically pedestrian. He does inventive things with chords and harmonies, and if someone sits down with a acoustic and plays through some of his finest, its clear how wonderful and unique he is musically.

You'll get no argument from me there. Dylan's the man.

I wouldn't be too surprised to see Doom come up pretty big this year, if the Madvillian album actually comes out. It's a travesty that the dude doesn't get any radio play. Hopefully that'll be remedied with his next record.

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Originally posted by less_success:
The following sentence is true.
The preceding sentence is false.

Now with the George Carlin reference! You rule, man.

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Now with the George Carlin reference! You rule, man.

Hate to dash your enthusiasm, but it's actually not a reference to George but a reference to Godel, Escher, Bach. I didn't know Carlin ever used it. Even so, Carlin is one of the best stand-ups around.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:

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Originally posted by less_success:
The following sentence is true.
The preceding sentence is false.

Now with the George Carlin reference! You rule, man.

Is that from Braindroppings?

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Originally posted by Ishmaels coffin:

I like Radiohead a lot, have all their albums since I bought Pablo Honey, but they are certainly not revolutionary, or possessed of particularly exciting fresh musical ideas....

This, my friend, is as ignorant and absurd as the guy you were having a go at. To claim Dylan is more musically inventive then Radiohead is wrong but to then claim one of the most innovative bands of all time have no exciting or fresh musical ideas just beggars belief! Are you sure Pablo Honey isn't the only Radiohead album you have?

When someone "claims" that Dylan is musically inventive it is not ignorant nor absurd, it is the truth. Sure Radiohead is one of the most innovative bands of all time and sure they have some good ideas but give it rest and admit that Bob Dylan is one of top three musical artists/bands of all time. Let's just relax a bit before we even make a wild statement that Radiohead is more important than Dylan, now that would be absurd.

Radiohead is without a doubt both the biggest and most inventive band out there today. There are bigger bands, there are more inventive bands, but Radiohead has a perfect balance of popularity and actual innovation; like the Beatles and Bob Dylan, they're big enough to use their ideas and have the mainstream accept them. They're similar in that regard, but until there's a significant passage of time after Radiohead, there's no way to say if they'll have the lasting effect of those two big bands.

I hate to get into a Dylan vs Radiohead argument, but I'll just say that Dylan's been making music for 45 years, has released around 30 albums (many of which are loved by critics and audiences alike), and has influenced countless bands including the Beatles. I'll also say that there's no artist that has matched Dylan's streak in the 60s. The dude released a string of 8 classic albums in 6 years.

Radiohead's a great band, sure, but can you really compare the two?

Didn't Dylan "borrow" his ideas from Woodie Guthrie? In fact, I can't think of one rock band who didn't flat out steal ideas from an older generation.

You're allowed to say that if you specify which ideas he "borrowed" and which he didn't. I don't recall Arlo ever suing him.

I think Robert Zimmerman will be BIG in 2007...

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Originally posted by mark f:
You're allowed to say that if you specify which ideas he "borrowed" and which he didn't. I don't recall Arlo ever suing him.

A. Arlo Guthrie's the shit.

B. He was heavily influenced by Woodie, but he def. did not steal Woody's get-up.

I must say that after hearing an early leak of the Kings of Leon album that they are on their way to quite a year. I know that it's often the case that they are bashed for sounding like the strokes but this new album really pushes the boundaries and does it in style. I think the early reviews are already quite telling...

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That's a bold statement around these parts...

sorry, I'm ne where

Feist is gonna be the next Regina Spektor like cross-over success. I can already see it brewing...

I predicted good things for Avril Lavigne and Gwen Stefani

I have doubts that this will be Kelly Clarkson's year, but good feelings about Kelly Rowland's upcoming album