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quote: Originally posted by ericg75: No offense taken. I'll be civil until you start calling me "a random nobody toiling away in obscurity" 
Still hurtin' from that Fillmore Mescalito comment, eh? With each passing album, it becomes more and more likely that Radiohead (or Wilco or the White Stripes) will release a "poor" album, at least when comparing it with their past work. You can say that about anyone in any field who consistently does an excellent job. We all hope for these people to keep acheiving beyond our expectations....and it can only go on for so long. I don't think Radiohead is "due" for a stinker...although we are all prepared for it. Hail to the Theif showed us that they weren't God afterall. I'm with pE on this one. I'll approach this album (and the next Wilco) with guarded optimism. How many times can you set a new standard and proceed to exceed it again and again? |
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| Posts: 751 | Location: Nova Scotia | Registered: 31 May 2006 | |
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The Beatles were 'due' for a clunker, too. Did they ever release one? If you say 'Let It Be,' remember they were at each other's throats in the studio for the session, and Radiohead is nowhere near that situation. Not to commit the blasphemy of equating Radiohead with The Beatles in terms of musical importance, but just pointing out that no band is 'due' for a clunker ever. While no band can realistically hope to please everyone all the time, it doesn't make sense to suggest it is fate for a band to record a bad album. And everyone in Radiohead is equally important, including the two most criminally underrated players Colin and Phil. That rhythm section carries a lot of the emotional impact behind the songs (while repeatedly locking into sustained mind-shattering grooves, I might add) and should not be lightly ignored. While Jonny is undoubtedly a genius, it's Thom who writes the lyrics, guys. In short, Radiohead needs all five of its members. And 'Hail to the Thief' is criminally underrated. Thom himself said that 'There There' is the closest the band has ever got to putting into music what he hears in his head. Every song on that album is spectacular, and if it doesn't reach the lofty heights its predecessors, it doesn't take away from its value in and of itself. The new Radiohead album is going to be great. I have no doubts about it. And I don't mean 'great' in that I'll love it (this is a guarantee, as they are my favorite band ever), but 'great' in terms of musical value to anybody. These guys have proven themselves again and again, to doubt their prowess at this point seems foolish to me.
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| Posts: 232 | Location: Portland, OR | Registered: 20 February 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by in limbo:
The new Radiohead album is going to be great. I have no doubts about it. And I don't mean 'great' in that I'll love it (this is a guarantee, as they are my favorite band ever), but 'great' in terms of musical value to anybody. These guys have proven themselves again and again, to doubt their prowess at this point seems foolish to me.
Well, when you are disappointed beyond belief by one of your favourite artists new albums, you'll realize why most of us are guarded. We don't want radiohead to fail, we're just bracing ourselves. |
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| Posts: 751 | Location: Nova Scotia | Registered: 31 May 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by ericg75: quote: Originally posted by FragileKidA: Well Mark, I didn't mean any bad in my post towards eric or anyone else. He knows he is my bro , and I was just messing with him. What part in what I said were you referring to where I was "taking him to task?"
No offense taken. I'll be civil until you start calling me "a random nobody toiling away in obscurity"
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| Posts: 3875 | Location: ATL, GA | Registered: 25 May 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by philosopherEric:
Swim on, little salmon, swim on.
It was " mighty salmon" 
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| Posts: 5285 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005 | |
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quote: Originally posted by ericg75: No offense taken. I'll be civil until you start calling me "a random nobody toiling away in obscurity"
I must have missed this. Anybody want to fill me in on this one?
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| Posts: 5774 | Location: Texas | Registered: 27 December 2005 | |
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quote: Originally posted by FragileKidA: quote: Originally posted by ericg75: No offense taken. I'll be civil until you start calling me "a random nobody toiling away in obscurity"
I must have missed this. Anybody want to fill me in on this one?
You missed out. It was the RollingStone top 50 of 2006 thread. It has likely been deleted, but make your way to page three. Good times were had...by some. |
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| Posts: 751 | Location: Nova Scotia | Registered: 31 May 2006 | |
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Oh yeah, now I remember. I got there for the aftermath as I was gone for a few days and returned to find my name being mentioned with other rough-housers. That was a tough one.
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| Posts: 5774 | Location: Texas | Registered: 27 December 2005 | |
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I enjoyed Let it Be.  And Amnesiac was a clunker if anything was.
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| Posts: 2196 | Location: ATL-abouts. | Registered: 24 October 2006 | |
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quote: it is a mathematical certainty that the quality of his/her next work will "regress"; that is, it will approach the norm or the line of creative normalcy where most artists are.
I don't think "mathematical certainty" is really the correct description. There's no statistical model that predicts how likely an artists is to release a poor album, although it does sound like an interesting Master's thesis. Any takers? I do agree that there is a sense of certainty that an arists will digress if they keep releasing albums, but I wouldn't say it's mathematical. |
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| Posts: 1376 | Location: Valparaiso, IN | Registered: 01 July 2006 | |
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And as far as the parent-rock goes... while a lot of parents may have had great taste back in the day, I think more parents are more amenable to the soft-rock stations that play Steve Winwood and solo Sting. Having one's music compared to that... I dunno, some people might not be a fan of that. And some people might! My brother-in-law is a huge Sting fan.
Good Lord Son! Talk about your sweeping generalizations. I'm a daddy (44 yrs old) and my tastes range from the latest Deerhoof (an early pick for Best of 2007) to Wolfmother. As far as Ted Leo goes, saw him recently in concert, after really liking Hearts of Oak. I though he was technically awesome on the guitar, but I found the music a bit repetitive and dull. I don't see a lot of crossover potential. I do think that the Shins, like 'em or not, are going to experience "Death Cab"-like crossover success this year. As far as Arcade Fire goes, I think that they're still a bit under the radar as far as the average music comsuming public (ie., people not posting on music fora) are concerned.
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| Posts: 1429 | Location: State of Disarray | Registered: 10 January 2007 | |
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quote: Originally posted by LittleOne83:
it is a mathematical certainty that the quality of his/her next work will "regress"; that is, it will approach the norm or the line of creative normalcy where most artists are.
Don't use the objective to explain the subjective. And I can name at least a dozen artists that disprove your theory. |
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| Posts: 1652 | Location: Philadelphia, PA | Registered: 15 September 2004 | |
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Somebody earlier noted what happened to REM in recent years and pointed to what may happen to RH - this is truly a frightening terrible vision of the future! Still there are those, such as Wayne Coyne, who thinks REM haven't released a great work since Fables of the Reconstruction in 1985! I am inclined to agree with one massive exception: Automatic for the People. That's another thread but here's hoping RH have just such a late period masterpience in them - even perhaps (he dribbles) the next one coming (hopefully) this year? If it and the next shins and spoon records do suck, even relatively, then I will turn from music and go hermit in a far away place - at least for a day or so.
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| Posts: 145 | Location: Sydney, Australia | Registered: 07 January 2007 | |
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quote: in limbo
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The Beatles were 'due' for a clunker, too. Did they ever release one? If you say 'Let It Be,' remember they were at each other's throats in the studio for the session, and Radiohead is nowhere near that situation.
----No, as a band, they appear to get along fairly well outside the typical creative squabbles---
Not to commit the blasphemy of equating Radiohead with The Beatles in terms of musical importance, but just pointing out that no band is 'due' for a clunker ever. While no band can realistically hope to please everyone all the time, it doesn't make sense to suggest it is fate for a band to record a bad album.
---First, it's not blashphemy to suggest a link...people like to compare Radiohead to Floyd, but Floyd was trippy rather than constantly different...for at least their first five efforts, RH came up with as eclectic a collection of tunes this side of the Beatles or the Velvets, and I personally feel if the Beatles were around today, they'd probably be just like Radiohead, going off in directions others haven't taken...That said, while no artist is guaranteed a clunker, it is a truism that it becomes harder and harder for an artist to surprise it's audience with each subsequent outing...no matter how verstatile, in the arts, sadly, even the true geniuses have a finite amount of top tier novelty in them---
And everyone in Radiohead is equally important, including the two most criminally underrated players Colin and Phil. That rhythm section carries a lot of the emotional impact behind the songs (while repeatedly locking into sustained mind-shattering grooves, I might ad
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