Originally posted by FragileKidA: If anyone else is interested I would be willing to do the write-ups for this year's albums again. I thought it was a pretty good idea last year so that some of members could flash their writing chops and talk about their top albums. It started out well, yet at the end I only had about nine other people contribute. I would like to start this up around November and have it finished around the same time as the album and song voting ends. That way we could release the results simultaneously--or close to it. Either way, if nobody cares or doesn't want to do it, let me know so I will just drop it, as opposed to constantly bringing it up like last year.
I'd be up for it, didn't get to flex my writing muscles last year
Posts: 294 | Location: London, UK | Registered: 31 December 2006
Originally posted by ericg75: I do know that Joanna Newsom got more #1 votes than anyone else, but only placed second in the poll.
I think that's a case in point. That album was despised by as many people as loved it. I don't think that its high placing was necessarily representative of the views of the forum.
I do agree that there should be a big difference between 1st and 20th, I'm just not in favour of increasing that difference. Last year was pretty much spot on in my opinion.
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Posts: 828 | Location: Glasgow | Registered: 21 December 2006
Originally posted by BContrat: I prefer the newer weighting system mentioned above.
It doesn't make sense to give different ranks the same amount of points - it basically undermines the point of putting an order on your list.
My thoughts exactly, BContrat
I actually think that when it comes to albums next to each other, say at #19 and #20, giving them the same amount of points may be the best way to go. You wouldn't say that 19 is twice as good as 20 would you? Yet you give it twice as many points. I know that this defect is unavoidable to some extent, but I think we should try to minimize it.
It is twice as much but in reality it's only 1 point difference. Considering the fact that albums are going to end up with hundreds of points, 1 point really isn't that big of a difference (even if it is twice as much).
Posts: 890 | Location: santa barbara | Registered: 02 November 2006
1 other thing. Sorry to be a contrarian again but someone mentioned earlier that we should limit the songs from particular artists. I have to disagree with this. We are trying to find the best songs of the year, not a group that has a lot of good songs. Also, what if say All my Friends and Someone Great were your 2 favorite songs of the year. It would be unfair that only 1 could be on Metacritic's year end list.
Posts: 890 | Location: santa barbara | Registered: 02 November 2006
Originally posted by L. R. William Spencer: In response to RavingLunatic, I do actually think that your concern is valid. That problem could be addressed by adding one or two points to the value of all positions, so that, for example, #20 would get 3, #19 4, and so on.
This would make the list of values something like this:
As far as ThatGuy's question, I would be partial to a minimum of 5 or 10 albums.
That's really good, L.R. Thanks, I'll have listened to probably at least 10-15 albums by the time we can vote for this... oh, and Besttasteinmusicever, I agree. Songs by certain artists shouldn't be limited... do the songs have to be singles or can they just be album tracks? Sorry about all the questions. I'm just new to the whole voting thing.
That's really good, L.R. Thanks, I'll have listened to probably at least 10-15 albums by the time we can vote for this... oh, and Besttasteinmusicever, I agree. Songs by certain artists shouldn't be limited... do the songs have to be singles or can they just be album tracks? Sorry about all the questions. I'm just new to the whole voting thing.
In years past, we didn't set a minimum requirement for the lists. If you only liked 5 albums, you should only have to list 5.
Also, songs are fine. If you tried to limit it to singles, it would get pretty confusing I think.
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Posts: 5377 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005
That's really good, L.R. Thanks, I'll have listened to probably at least 10-15 albums by the time we can vote for this... oh, and Besttasteinmusicever, I agree. Songs by certain artists shouldn't be limited... do the songs have to be singles or can they just be album tracks? Sorry about all the questions. I'm just new to the whole voting thing.
In years past, we didn't set a minimum requirement for the lists. If you only liked 5 albums, you should only have to list 5.
Also, songs are fine. If you tried to limit it to singles, it would get pretty confusing I think.
Yeah. limiting it to singles would be pretty confusing. Thanks. I've noticed that a lot of conversation here involves independent artists of whom I'm not familiar with. Does this mean that mainstream artists aren't going to be recognized as much as the independent ones? Also, what if there's a hidden track on an album along with a listed one? Can you decide between one or the other or would you have to choose both?
That's really good, L.R. Thanks, I'll have listened to probably at least 10-15 albums by the time we can vote for this... oh, and Besttasteinmusicever, I agree. Songs by certain artists shouldn't be limited... do the songs have to be singles or can they just be album tracks? Sorry about all the questions. I'm just new to the whole voting thing.
In years past, we didn't set a minimum requirement for the lists. If you only liked 5 albums, you should only have to list 5.
Also, songs are fine. If you tried to limit it to singles, it would get pretty confusing I think.
Yeah. limiting it to singles would be pretty confusing. Thanks. I've noticed that a lot of conversation here involves independent artists of whom I'm not familiar with. Does this mean that mainstream artists aren't going to be recognized as much as the independent ones? Also, what if there's a hidden track on an album along with a listed one? Can you decide between one or the other or would you have to choose both?
You can choose as many songs off of an album, hidden or not, that you want.
As far as the mainstream/independent thing goes, I'm willing to bet that a lot of mainstream stuff is going to be underrepresented. I think the only "mainstream" song that got recognition last year was "Crazy" by Gnarls Barkley.
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Posts: 2264 | Location: ATL-abouts. | Registered: 24 October 2006
Thanks Dork, The Friar and Mick_DH for showing interest in doing some write-ups. If anyone else is interested in doing this again just let me know, either on here or in a PM.
Basically anyone can write for their favorite albums. The only criteria I use is that the write-up is of good quality and the member is someone who honestly contributes. I would like to get a lot of participation so that maybe we could write about the top 40 albums or so. If a lot more people get on board then you can PM which albums (maybe two or three per person) you would like to write about. I know that we don't even know which albums are going to rank where or so on but it's pretty obvious which albums are going to rank by using people's talk of certain albums.
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Posts: 5914 | Location: Texas | Registered: 27 December 2005
Well, one of the things we were trying to move away from with the weighted system was the idea that an album that was liked by many but loved by none could win the thing.
Am I missing something or isn't this what we are trying to do? I mean if everyone had Ga^5 on their list but only a couple people had it as their number one, shouldn't it win just on the sheer number of votes?
Posts: 215 | Location: Pleasantville | Registered: 01 December 2005
Originally posted by onFire: Am I missing something or isn't this what we are trying to do? I mean if everyone had Ga^5 on their list but only a couple people had it as their number one, shouldn't it win just on the sheer number of votes?
I don't think so. In this case, you sort of end up with a lowest common denominator winner -- a lot of people think the album is okay, but no one really loves it.
I look at last year's top three and I see three albums that a lot of us were talking about and excited about last year. Even though I wasn't that hot on Joanna Newsom, I know a lot of people really loved it.
I don't think you'll see the extreme scenario you're worried about. An album with a couple of #1 votes isn't going to beat out an album that made everyone's list. The only album that RL could think of last year that had a lot of votes but no #1s was Yo La Tengo's ...Beat Your Ass, which still made the final top 20.
And Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga is a great album, I'm sure it will top a few people's list.
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Posts: 5377 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005
Originally posted by ericg75: Even though I wasn't that hot on Joanna Newsom, I know a lot of people really loved it.
I may never let this go.
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Originally posted by That Guy!: I've noticed that a lot of conversation here involves independent artists of whom I'm not familiar with. Does this mean that mainstream artists aren't going to be recognized as much as the independent ones?
That's just the nature of the MC Music Forums. By all means, post whichever albums you want, mainstream or otherwise. Just be prepared to find you may be the only person who posts those. While your list may not do anything to sway the overall user's list, it will nonetheless be interesting to read as most of the lists are.
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Originally posted by That Guy!: I've noticed that a lot of conversation here involves independent artists of whom I'm not familiar with. Does this mean that mainstream artists aren't going to be recognized as much as the independent ones?
That's just the nature of the MC Music Forums. By all means, post whichever albums you want, mainstream or otherwise. Just be prepared to find you may be the only person who posts those. While your list may not do anything to sway the overall user's list, it will nonetheless be interesting to read as most of the lists are.
Okay. That's cool. Thanks, and golden flea, I know exactly how you feel
Originally posted by That Guy!: I've noticed that a lot of conversation here involves independent artists of whom I'm not familiar with. Does this mean that mainstream artists aren't going to be recognized as much as the independent ones?
Part of the beauty of being here is discovering lesser known artists you may not be familiar with. I cannot imagine spending much time on these forums if your interest revolves primarily around more mainstream types of music. That being said some lists will most likely include a smattering of more commercial stuff, while others may not contain a single name you are familiar with.
Posts: 121 | Location: boston | Registered: 31 December 2006
Originally posted by That Guy!: I've noticed that a lot of conversation here involves independent artists of whom I'm not familiar with. Does this mean that mainstream artists aren't going to be recognized as much as the independent ones?
Part of the beauty of being here is discovering lesser known artists you may not be familiar with. I cannot imagine spending much time on these forums if your interest revolves primarily around more mainstream types of music. That being said some lists will most likely include a smattering of more commercial stuff, while others may not contain a single name you are familiar with.
Well, it's not necessarily that I enjoy top 40 radio, because I don't. I enjoy older music (most anything 60s, 70, and 80s; 90s rock/alternative, not much from this decade), but in certain cases (Kelly Clarkson and Avril Lavigne being good examples), I'll make an exception with top 40 music. I do enjoy more of the lesser known artists, such as Feist and Peter Bjorn and John, who surprisingly received a VMA nod for Best New Artist. And I really do enjoy finding out about new types of music via Internet (mainly YouTube). That's how I found out about the two artists I previously listed. Also, has anyone know what's with Justice? They've got a nomination for Video of the Year and I haven't heard much about them. Am I missing out on much?
