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Originally posted by hudson:

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:

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Originally posted by /\/\1X3:
If Fiddy is remembered, it will be due to the travesty that he is, not for the 'talent' that he clearly doesn't possess. The man is a gimmick with children's book rhymes.

Exactly. He's popular only because he's popular, and that's never enough for immortality.

Wrong. He's popular because he released one of the most successful rap albums of all time. Fiddy is the real deal. Grew up in Queens, drug dealer, criminal, shot several times. He raps about what he knows. And his music is truly enjoyable.

These reviews aren't half bad:

http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/50cent/getrichordietryin?q=50%20cent

Wooooooow. You really believe all the false hype that surrounds Fif? He's a snitch, first of all, and whether you refuse to believe it or not it's a fact -- a fact -- that he denied the existance of the very real restraining order he had against Irv Gotti and Ja Rule. What thug needs an order or protection? Tell me that. He ain't real. He's got no loyalty to his hood niggas. That's why he kept his mouth shut about the fall out between him and Bang Em Smurf. "Raps about what he knows." He's a storyteller and the only hustling he does is getting people like you to believe his nonesense.

And finally, you could never put Fif on Hov's level. Even solely on a popularity standpoint Jay-Z doesn't even need to promote an album for it to become a multi-million success. Fif needed the beef controversy with Kanye for Curtis to make sales since G-Unit's been going wood for the past few years. On the other hand, Hov with American Gangster has tied with Elvis having ten #1 albums. And based on a talent level there isn't even question. Listen to the "I Get Money" remix with moguls Diddy and Jay-Z. Jay had the best verse on the track and 50 couldn't even surpass Diddy. I mean, c'mon... DIDDY. He's shit's ghostwritten, even.

One more thing: please don't pretend you know how it's like to grow up in a hood like Queens. It's really not as bad as most of you people think.

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Originally posted by /\/\1X3:
Here's the problem with your defense Hudson, neither success or street credentials make you a good rapper. Los Del Rio made a hit with "Macarena" but I doubt anyone here would claim it to be a great song. I'm sure we can all agree that what is popular or successful is not always good (and in most instances, it is quite the opposite).

Ha, you're comparing a multi-platinum rap album to one shitty latin pop song. Get real.

I like fiddy's flow, his voice, and his lyrics. Like I said, "Get rich..." gets it done. It's a great album that I thouroughly enjoy, no matter what the haters say.

50 may, in the future, turn out just like Jay-Z, all out of touch with his roots. You never know, but I think 50 is still close to his bros from the street.

I think you missed both of my points. I really don't care for the Los Del Rio song, my point was that just because something is popular and a big seller doesn't make it good. If this were the case, a lot of the excellent underground stuff would be blowing Fiddy out of the water. If this were the case, Paris Hilton, Brooke Hogan, Britney Spears, and Lindsey Lohan, wouldn't have any albums to their name. And I could just mention Soulja Boy again, his song sure is popular, that must mean it's good.

I still don't see what being 'close to the bros' has to do with making good music. Again, street cred does not equal quality cred.

You may dislike my comparisons of Fiddy to Britney, but they are in the same vein of pop music.

Here's a dare: I dare you to show me some decent Fiddy lyrics. Try.

So Frame, 50 isn't a convicted drug dealer from Queens who was shot 9 times? I think it's you who needs to get your facts straight.

And what does fiddy rap about? Drugs, guns and the hood. Cause that's what he knows. Unlike your precious Jay-Z who lost touch with the hood a long, long time ago.

And don't even start in about how 50 isn't loyal to his old friends, that's bullshit. And Jay-Z is known for fucking his loyal friends right in the ass cause he's been doing it from the beginning. Dame Dash ring a bell, Cam'ron, Nas?

Some of the guys that helped jigga get to the top got thrown under the bus. That's common knowledge. Jay-Z has been stepping on people for a long time, and now he's at the top. And he's got a lot of fans on his tip.

And it's also common knowledge that Jay-Z has been bitin' lyrics from the beginning. Also, Nas owned Jigga's sorry punkass for years. Actually, what Nas did was make Jay-Z look like a little bitch.

So Frame, you're on Jay-Z's tip, fine, but I think he's a bitch.

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Originally posted by /\/\1X3:
You may dislike my comparisons of Fiddy to Britney, but they are in the same vein of pop music.

You'd be more accurate comparing Jay-Z with Britney Spears. I mean my God, Jigga will collaborate with any flavor of the month musical act just to sell a few more records. Talk about a sell out.

Mike, rap doesn't always have to be some genius mix of metaphors. Sometimes it's good to just spit hard about the street and tell it like it is. I think 50 did that on 'get rich...'

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Originally posted by hudson:

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
He's popular only because he's popular

Wrong. He's popular because he released one of the most successful rap albums of all time.

Is it just me or do these statements not contradict each other?


1. Get Rich Or Die Tryin' by 50 Cent (2003) 73
Interscope / Aftermath
2. The Massacre by 50 Cent (2005) 66
Aftermath
3. Curtis by 50 Cent (2007) 58

Hmm.. I'm noticing New Kids kind of pattern in the scores there.

"Get rich..." is the only album of his that I listen to. It may be the only great album he ever makes. Regardless, I still like him.

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Originally posted by hudson:
So Frame, 50 isn't a convicted drug dealer from Queens who was shot 9 times? I think it's you who needs to get your facts straight.

And what does fiddy rap about? Drugs, guns and the hood. Cause that's what he knows. Unlike your precious Jay-Z who lost touch with the hood a long, long time ago.

And don't even start in about how 50 isn't loyal to his old friends, that's bullshit. And Jay-Z is known for fucking his loyal friends right in the ass cause he's been doing it from the beginning. Dame Dash ring a bell, Cam'ron, Nas?

Some of the guys that helped jigga get to the top got thrown under the bus. That's common knowledge. Jay-Z has been stepping on people for a long time, and now he's at the top. And he's got a lot of fans on his tip.

And it's also common knowledge that Jay-Z has been bitin' lyrics from the beginning. Also, Nas owned Jigga's sorry punkass for years. Actually, what Nas did was make Jay-Z look like a little bitch.

So Frame, you're on Jay-Z's tip, fine, but I think he's a bitch.

Drug dealer? Sure. The shit ain't original. Pac had a small hand in it, Biggie lived it and so did Hov. Jay-Z even pioneered the genre. Shot nine times? Probably not. Many reports indicate he was shot at nine times but he was only hit a select few. There's no question that Fif falsifies shit and it's been evident since his beef with Murder Inc. That's why with all the hood talk that comes out of this nigga's mouth he never actually comes back to the hood. He'd get merked. Who do you think bit back after he was shot? It sure wasn't him. Smurf was an original member of G-Unit -- as well as Fif's shooter -- and Mr. Curtis Jackson couldn't even bail a nigga out of jail after Get Rich went multi-platinum. Smurf's one of the folks that scoped out the attempted murderer. 50 talks about getting "shot nine times" when he brushed it off from the getgo. That nigga needs a hug.

And the situation's not the same with Jay and Dame. Fif never even took niggas out the hood. Jay and Dame started on the same level and had a business fall out. Jay has a bad reputation because he came up fast. He even tried to sign mentor Jaz-O but nigga was too jealous since his protege beat him to the finish line. So, Mr. So-Damn-Educated-In-Hip-Hop, since when were Jay-Z and Cam'ron ever friends? He was one of the reasons for the fall out between him and Dash. And Jay-Z was never really in close contact with Nas till Hova called him out to the stage to confirm the squash.

And who's rhymes does he bite? You're not referring to Cam'ron's Swagger Jacker, are you? Because those were about a dozen lines within an eight album career. Cam'ron's done the same thing, as did Nas, Ice Cube, Snoop, -input rap legend here-, etc. Those are more along the lines of tributes. Jay-Z's best lyrics are found elsewhere and are as abundant as they come. And Nas may be a more talented artist on different levels but where do you go off saying he's "owned" Jigga? Nas has three great albums: Illmatic, Stillmatic and Hip Hop Is Dead. His albums inbetween are almost as embarassing as 50's latter two albums. Hov is ten albums deep and only The Blueprint 2 goes subpar. And as far as making whoever look like a bitch, who fucked who's baby's mama?

And that flavor of the month comment is wack. Tell me who? Name ONE. Because it doesn't matter who's on the track with Jay-Z, Jay-Z will make that record sell. By no means does he beg to be on other people's tracks to lay some foundation for his next project. It's vice-versa. As a matter of fact on his past three albums he's only featured ONE emcee total.

^^^ Well said.

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Originally posted by hudson:
"Get rich..." is the only album of his that I listen to. It may be the only great album he ever makes.

I think it's the only album he's ever made or is capable of making. This leaves him, at best, a one or two hit wonder in 20 years.

Shhhit. My grandma could rap better than jay-z. And she could probably kick his ass too.

Personal observation from Old Fart:

All I know is when my students put on Get Rich..., at the time of release, with permission, I told them it was a complete collection of cliches. I don't really listen to much rap, but I'd already heard the entire album before (and yeah, I let 'em play it through two different periods). I just wanted to see if something original ever came. Hey, but it got a 73, so I'm FoS, or not.

Bowing out now.

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Originally posted by hudson:
Shhhit. My grandma could rap better than jay-z. And she could probably kick his ass too.

well, anybody could probably kick Jay-Z's ass, so..... w/e

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Wrong. He's popular because he released one of the most successful rap albums of all time. Fiddy is the real deal. Grew up in Queens, drug dealer, criminal, shot several times. He raps about what he knows. And his music is truly enjoyable.

These reviews aren't half bad:



http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists/50cent/getrichordietryin?q=50%20cent

listen asshole. Being a drug-dealer doesn't make you the real deal. So what if he got capped, he probably got shot because he was being FAKE, he was being a punk bitch. Getting shot doesn't make you a good rapper, being a drug dealer doesnt make you a good rapper. I;ll give you the "one of the most successful rap albums", its was the highest selling album of 2003, and highest selling debut album, but that doesn't mean shit. Spider Man 3 broke box office records and it was CRAP.

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Originally posted by hudson:
Shhhit. My grandma could rap better than jay-z. And she could probably kick his ass too.

Shhhit. Is that all you've got to say? It's evident that you are not seasoned enough on hip hop to even be taken seriously. To badmouth Hov and put Fif on your top emcee list is laughable. Top artists in the game have acknowledged Jay-Z's talent: Eminem, Scarface, even KRS-One made mention that he was the greatest lyricist of all time. As a matter of fact Jigga holds his own against Rakim on the track The Watcher 2, not exactly an easy task.

Read up on rap literature before you speak, son, because there's absolutely nothing you can tell me about the game that I don't know about. Here's some candy for your mentality: 50 Cent is a snitch, a liar, and a fake ass studio gangsta. Ask the hood. Oh yeah, did I mention he can't rap?

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Shhhit. Is that all you've got to say? It's evident that you are not seasoned enough on hip hop to even be taken seriously. To badmouth Hov and put Fif on your top emcee list is laughable. Top artists in the game have acknowledged Jay-Z's talent: Eminem, Scarface, even KRS-One made mention that he was the greatest lyricist of all time. As a matter of fact Jigga holds his own against Rakim on the track The Watcher 2, not exactly an easy task.

Read up on rap literature before you speak, son, because there's absolutely nothing you can tell me about the game that I don't know about. Here's some candy for your mentality: 50 Cent is a snitch, a liar, and a fake ass studio gangsta. Ask the hood. Oh yeah, did I mention he can't rap?

Thank Jay-Hova that someone has some sense around here,

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Originally posted by DJCookieDoh:
So what if he got capped, he probably got shot because he was being FAKE, he was being a punk bitch. Getting shot doesn't make you a good rapper, being a drug dealer doesnt make you a good rapper.

"Y'all respect the one who got shot, I respect the shooter."

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Damn, just three?? I'll give you a top five, dead or alive...

2Pac
Rakim
Nas
Talib Kweli
Mos Def

Of course there's plenty of talent out there that could have easily made the cut. Andre 3000, KRS and Ghostface comes to mind...

Word, brotha. Word.

I don't care what ya'll say. "Get rich..." is tight. Period. If you don't like it or can't appreciate it for the simple, straightforward, no tricks up it's sleeve gem that it is, that's you're deal. It's one of the most enjoyable rap albums I've ever heard. The beats are sweet, the raps are catchy and clean and it's real. Like I said, Fiddy is rappin' about what he knows.

Fiddy is every bit of the thug that Pac was, so no one should be questioning his street cred. And if Fiddy would've released "Get rich..." back when Pac released 'Thug life" it would've been hailed as a classic.

I'll grant you, fiddy doesn't have the rapping skills that Pac did, but he spits clean and hard and "get rich..." paints just a clear a picture of the hood. You can call fiddy cliched, but just because NWA and Pac and them used to rap about the hood and thug life 10+ years ago, doesn't mean that fiddy is a fake when he raps about the hood. He grew up in the hood, it's what he knows.

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Originally posted by hudson:
I don't care what ya'll say. "Get rich..." is tight. Period. If you don't like it or can't appreciate it for the simple, straightforward, no tricks up it's sleeve gem that it is, that's you're deal. It's one of the most enjoyable rap albums I've ever heard. The beats are sweet, the raps are catchy and clean and it's real. Like I said, Fiddy is rappin' about what he knows.

Fiddy is every bit of the thug that Pac was, so no one should be questioning his street cred. And if Fiddy would've released "Get rich..." back when Pac released 'Thug life" it would've been hailed as a classic.

I'll grant you, fiddy doesn't have the rapping skills that Pac did, but he spits clean and hard and "get rich..." paints just a clear a picture of the hood. You can call fiddy cliched, but just because NWA and Pac and them used to rap about the hood and thug life 10+ years ago, doesn't mean that fiddy is a fake when he raps about the hood. He grew up in the hood, it's what he knows.

Woah woah woah, let's get some particulars straight for a second, cousin. It's no question that you've got a love for Fif and his style. That ain't the beef. The problem is you come in here claiming 50 Cent's a real nigga with only fairytales written in his rhyme book as proof. Fif has a wild imagination when it comes to shitting on his adversaries but when he's faced with a confrontation -- like the one with Black Child and another with Domination and Bang Em Smurf -- that nigga's soft. I'll give you a tip, hudson: if you like the music then just listen to the music. If you're not gonna draw your attention towards what's really going on in the industry and whatnot just keep your hands tied and quit typing bullshit. Didn't I tell you to brush up on your rap history, son? Get your homework done.

And now you're comparing Fif to Pac? Woooooooooow. First off, Pac ain't even a thug in the traditional sense of the word. Dude got arrested for a fucking rape charge. He's the mouthpiece for the positive niggas in the ghetto and speaks politically with a hood mentality. That's why he's a legend. Pac maintained himself as a violent cultural icon in his music throughout even his early years but that shit didn't come out in full force till he signed with Death Row. He was known primarily as a speaker and for his philosophies. So if you couldn't read between the lines of his songs and appreciate his passion then it's a damn shame. You only think of him as a thug.

One more thing... so Fif's all that, Fif's hella nice and shit according to you. /\/\1X3 dared you to present some decent lyrics from him. I'm gonna double dare ya.

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Originally posted by hudson:
it's real. Like I said, Fiddy is rappin' about what he knows.

Like we said, he got shot for being a fake-ass b!tch. He lives in a mansion in the middle of whiteyville and hasn't seen an African-American who wasn't in his entourage in 10 years. He's rapping about the things he saw someone else do a long time ago, and making up the rest. Didn't you see CB4? He's as real as Milli Vanilli.