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I said NOTHING about 2Pac or big L.

The fact of the matter is by dismissing the term "hip hop" as a representation of nothing but pop music is a disgrace to those names considering its what they stood for. It's as simple as that. I can read. I know you said nothing of the two, but what you don't often reveals your true feelings.

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For some reason you can only feel good about your love for Jay-Z as long as "top emcees" agree with you. I need no such reassurance on the fact that he stinks like garbage. While you're all about "metaphors" and "swagger", I'm about delivery. Jay-Z can't deliver because he doesn't know what the crap he's doing. Those were some good lyrics in "Dead Presidents 2", but the man ran all of the words together! Maybe he should write for other rappers. Ya know, like Young Jeezy, Rick Ross, Canibus or whoever else YOU (and probably several "top emcees") deem crappy. It's funny how you can freely express disgust with other rappers, but when I do it, I'm putting down several "important emcees" at the same time.

Delivery? Some of your favorite emcees haven't put down a charismatic scheme in years (i.e. Scarface, C-Bo.) Shit, some of your favorite emcees have never had a knack for a solid delivery, (i.e. Pimp C.) The truth is most of these niggas try so hard to keep their voice and the beat balanced that it's embarassingly obvious. "Delivery." Please. Hov has sharp wordplay off the top and makes the shit sound as effortless as Big. Oh, I forgot, you shit on his grave too, didn't ya?

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This coming from a guy who still uses the terms: "fly", "swagger", "kickin' it", and "wizzak". Yes. You are so learned in the ways of crap-- I mean rap-- No. I was right the first time. CRAP. Where do you live? It sounds like the suburbs. Out here, you'd receive the blankest stares talkin' like that. Weeeell... maybe some laughter, too.

Oh, they stopped saying "swag?" "Fly?" "Kickin up dust?" You're out of touch. So much so that you still ask ya niggas "Do they still say that?" Homie, the term "they don't say that no more" is buried. Find your own style and stop clinging on ya boys' nut hairs. Regardless, those terms mentioned by myself and reiterated by you is still spoken of in the industry (T.I., Lil Wayne, Common), let alone in the united ghettos of America.

FYI, I'm a product of Magazine St. in Vallejo, California, born and raised. Name it and I've seen it. But I'm proud to say that I'm getting my education and I consider myself an intelligent human-being with a passion for music. As Andre put it "Ain't a hood nigga but a nigga from the hood." But I'm not gonna sit here and have a cool contest with you, somebody who isn't even in touch with the culture that he pretends he's knowledgeable about. "Canibus who?" Quit pretending you aint from the burbs, Mr. Springfield.

Man! You just keep on with the assumptions, don't ya? This is getting stupid. Honestly. I've never met someone so adamant about a friggin' word. Once again, who cares? You act like I'm calling rap "yodeling" or some crap. Just get off of the "Hip Hop" term. You ain't gonna convince me that I HAVE to call the music I listen to whatever some reggae DJ, by the name of Kool Herc, decided to call it one night in the early 70's. I don't even listen to reggae! Hating the term doesn't mean I'm "spitting" on anyone. I guess someone who soooooo cares about what "top emcees" think would be worried about hurtin' their feelings, I ain't. I'm pretty sure the gobs and gobs of money they make will ease their pain that I don't refer to their music as "Hip Hop" unless it's about girls, money, dancin' or bling. PERIOD. Why does this bother you? It's apparently MY problem. Oh, that's right, you ARE the KNOW-ALL-END-ALL knowledge on all things "Hip Hop". For the record: I own all of 2Pac's albums from before he was killed. Big L's voice is a tad too high for my tastes. I like deep voices in most of my RAP. Oh No! I just spat on his grave!

Yeah, I knew you'd have a problem with "delivery". You seem to care about everything else that pertains to "Hip Hop", but the WAY a person raps doesn't seem to matter as long as they're using metaphors. Jay-Z sounds like a punk. He SOUNDS like he thinks he's God's gift to women. He SOUNDS like he can't rap. The "sound" is what I'm into, and Jay-Z doesn't have it. Ya know, my first post in this thread said that "Jay-Z is one of the WORST rappers out there and the MOST overrated one there ever was!" Notice that I also typed he was OVERRATED. You're accusing me of swingin' on my boys' nuts? What are ya doin' with Jay-Z's?! Sounds like you're givin' 'em kisses!

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Originally posted by Frame:
Oh, I forgot, you shit on his grave too, didn't ya?

I'm not even gonna dignify this with a rebuttle. You apparently put EVERY rapper (except the ones YOU and your "top emcees" don't like) on a pedestal so that if I put down even ONE of them, the pedestal falls over and I just shat on 'em. Give it up. Honestly. Do you think I care that you feel I sh*t on folks I ain't talkin' about?

Speakin' of "my boys", I don't have to ask 'em if we still use those terms BECAUSE WE DON'T! So you're tellin' me that you AND your friends still use these words in everyday conversations? Okaaaaaay. Once again, the rappers you listed are ones I don't normally listen to. So, I guess that would explain why I haven't heard those terms unless I've popped in a movie from the early to mid 90's. Or watch the WB.

And what's the deal with Canibus? I was under the impression you (and your "top emcees") thought he was a terrible rapper. I told you, chances are I've heard his music, but apparently it wasn't anything that made me suddenly sit up and ask, "Who is this?" If I hear a rap I'm into, I hunt it down until I find out who did it.

I will say, I'm happy that you're getting educated and I respect your passion for music. this was never supposed to be a "cool contest", it's a thread on who we think is the WORST RAPPER. It's a matter of opinion. Chances are, there are people who would fight just as hard as you have to defend the honor of Young Jeezy, Rick Ross or Canibus. Then you'd be on the other side of the fence just as I am. Would any of the things you've thrown at me have convinced YOU that the rappers you hate are awesome?

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so when this message closes its curtains I'm calling it a wrap...

I thought you weren't comin' back anyway. What happened to that?

To get back on track: Soulja Boy is terrible.

For the record, I really like Jay-Z as an emcee. He dominates the microphone, and forces you to listen to it. "99 Problems" is one of the better lyrical voyages I've been on, putting misogyny, anecdotes, and a coldness in character that is Jay's mantra over a intense beat. He isn't my favorite rapper, but he's acute ear for beats (learn from him, Nas), and his swagger kind of either takes you in or makes you hate him. Here: He's the Yankees of the rap game, so you'll either hate him or you'll love him.

For those who think I'm wrong for NOT wanting to call my rap "Hip Hop":
"Early hip hop has often been credited with helping to reduce inner-city gang violence by replacing physical violence with hip hop battles of dance and artwork. However, with the emergence of commercial and crime-related rap during the early 1990s, an emphasis on violence was incorporated, with many rappers boasting about drugs, weapons, misogyny, and violence. While hip hop music now appeals to a broader demographic, media critics argue that socially and politically conscious hip hop has long been disregarded by mainstream America in favor of gangsta rap." - Wikipedia, Hip hop

Look! "Top critics" said it, so IT MUST BE TRUE! Oh wait, they're supposed to be "top emcees" in order for their opinions to be valid. Sorry.

And while Kool Herc introduced "Hip Hop", it wasn't called "Hip Hop" until the term was created AS A JOKE when Keith Cowboy (of Gradmaster Flash & the Furious Five) was making fun of his boy going into the army ("hip/hop/hip/hop"). So, apparently, I'm disrespecting a term who's origin was a joke. Excuse me while I sleep soundly tonight.

"k" and/or "fed"

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so when this message closes its curtains I'm calling it a wrap...

I thought you weren't comin' back anyway. What happened to that?

I guess I felt a need to save the forum from your trash similar to how Jay-Z returned to save hip hop. But real talk, I'll break it down shortly...

It's not just about "Canibus." The truth is you're unaware of names that have a significant spot in the history of the game whether they were known for their talent or for their quarrels (such as the case with the infamous beef between LL and Canibus.) Then I ask you if you've seen Jay-Z perform. You say no. Furthermore, you ask me to present you with lyrics from one of his songs that hasn't to do with bitches and bling, leading me to believe that you actually think that 90% of his songs has to do with such material. Face it, your opinion of Hov couldn't matter less. You aren't even brushed up enough in the industry as a whole to speak on it. Your taste on the genre solely weighs on "subject matter" instead of "wordplay." I don't care that you don't like Jay-Z. Many don't. It's the respect factor that's the issue.

And what's your point with the hip hop quote? It's not like "gangsta rap" doesn't fall under the category. And a "joke?" The word itself may have been played upon but "hip hop" was never the center of a gag. The genre is known for heavily highlighting rhythm and what better to use a military cadence as inspiration? Soldier or "soulja" metaphors have been prominent in the hood for decades.

As for the "cool contest" thing it's not like I'm the one trying to make the shit personal. Aren't you the one who asked me where I was from? Spoke on my vocab? BTW, I think it's real cute that you're so gangsta throwing up gang signs while listening to your shit and at the same time using smilies as emphasis for your posts. Digithug. It's cute, man. Real talk.

But you know what? No disrespect. You do you and I do me. There's really nothing more we can say to each other.

When I ask someone what type of music they listen to, and they respond 'rap,' I generally am not going to go further into the discussion, Monkey. 'Rap' is a lyrical style, Hip Hop exists with 'rapping' as part of it. Rap was a respectable genre in the 90s but at this point in time I think it's in the same state that 'alternative' is, played out. I believe that rise of the dirty south played a huge part in the state of hip hop now, and I look at a large majority of mainstream hip hop with a disdainful eye.

Okay. You busted me. I'm not interested in "quarrels". Well, I should say, I'm not interested in EVERYBODY'S quarrels. I don't listen to LL Cool J. So why would I be interested in a fight between him and Canibus? (Now that you mention it, though, I do believe I heard sumpthin' about it on MTV News awhile ago...)

My point with the hip hop quote was they said gangsta rap, NOT gangsta hip hop. They distinguished the two by saying that "politically conscious hip hop has long been disregarded by mainstream America in favor of gangsta rap." How do you disregard hip hop for hip hop? Now, technically, it all evolved from Hip Hop (I'm not saying it didn't), but just as the sentence says, it no longer carries the same political message and peace through dance that Hip Hop was once all about. So even the raps I call "hip hop" aren't even true Hip Hop. However, I say it evolved into those versions because that's the popular music they play on the "Hip Hop" stations. It's also why I've never heard a song from Jay-Z that wasn't talkin' 'bout girls, bling, money or himself. From the samples I've heard playing on the radio, from people's cars or when I even caught the videos on BET or MTV, it seems to be all he talks about. Why would I even WANT to see what else he has on his albums if I don't like such raps?

When someone asks me what I listen to, I reply with "I like Scarface-C-Bo-Brotha Lynch Hung kinda rap." It seems too broad a genre to just say Hip Hop. When I used to say "Hip Hop" I was asked questions like, "So do you like Nelly?" Ummm...no. To come out with, "I like Scarface-C-Bo-Brotha Lynch Hung kinda rap", lets 'em know I don't listen to Nelly or anything close to him.

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Originally posted by /\/\1x3:
...I look at a large majority of mainstream hip hop with a disdainful eye.

Which is why I'm hesitant on calling what I listen to "Hip Hop". The term seems so generic these days and can give the wrong impression on your tastes. (I love your "new name", by the way! Very )

I'm glad you thought my was cute. That was my intent! Actually, a number of my friends are gang members. I'm not (I'm typin' away on an internet forum with over 2,000 posts under my belt in under a year. It should be obvious.), but I became friends with 'em through other friends. I wasn't trying to sound thuggish (note the ), if you've read any of my other posts around here (mostly in the movie section) you'd find I'm harmless. I only cracked on your speech and location because you came at me with:

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...I'm calling it a wrap with you're uneducated, wannabe know-it-2-tha-bone rap fan ass.

That sounds a bit personal, doncha think? Now that I know you hail from California, your choice of words make sense. (That wasn't an insult! )

Ya know what, Frame? I like you, man. I'm not jokin'. I love your passion, knowledge and all. It's been fun. In the end, we both listen to music in different ways and for different reasons. You have things you listen for and I have other things I listen for. I don't see it as disrespect. Jay-Z's one of the worst to me because he doesn't have what I listen for in a rap song. That's all I'm interested in. He's the greatest to you because of his wordplay, metaphors, contributions to the rap game and such. I get it. Listen in good health.

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Originally posted by hudson the snowman:
First off, props to Monkey_boy for having the the balls to say what the hordes of Jay-Z fanboys refuse to understand.

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Originally posted by Monkey_Boy:
I'll probably be shouted down for this, but Jay-Z is one of the WORST rappers out there and the MOST overrated one there ever was! His raps could be set to any beat and sound exactly the same because the man has NO RHYTHM. The guy also thinks he's so friggin' sexy. If there are 2 things Jay-Z is NOT, it's a good rapper and a sex symbol. The guy is shaped like a frickin' pear!

you guessed right!
the WORST rapper ever wouldn't have the success that Jay-Z has; no one can make it this far off of luck. Jay-Z is probably the best mainstream rapper out there.... by default. He's average, and since everyone else is shit..... well, thats all im gonna say.

DJCookiedoh, I'm sorry, but selling millions of records doesn't mean you're talented. Just because Jay-Z's albums continue to go platinum, doesn't mean he's all that talented of a rapper. It just means that he's a straight up marketing machine. He knows how to sell himself. In fact, that's his job, selling himself as a brand.

I can name dozens of musical acts that continue to go platinum yet lack what I would consider any real talent. Good Charlotte, Cisco, Sum 41, Blink 182, Britney Spears, Timberlake, My Chemical Romance, the list goes on and on. All these people have had multiple albums go platinum. And they all suck, imo.

just proves my point. Jay-Z is one of the best right now BY DEFAULT in Rap music.

If you're from Australia, you might of heard of a group called Sneaky Sound System, I really like their music, but I can't stand one of their members named: Daimon Downey AKA "MC Double D" (Blonde guy in the pink shirt), who "raps" in some of their songs. Every time I hear it, I cringe.

I don’t know... His lyrics just seem forced and cliché to me. The best way that I can describe it is, he kinda reminds me of Homer when he tried to make a Mr. Plow themed rap song in The Simpsons.

MXH, is that guy really supposed to be a rapper? It sounds like he's (unsuccessfully) trying to create a "cool" new musical sound! As for Daimon Downey aka MC Double D, ummmm... do all the "tough rappers" in Australia grow golden locks and wear pink? That's a take on manliness I've NEVER seen before!

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Originally posted by Round John Verjin:
As for Daimon Downey aka MC Double D, ummmm... do all the "tough rappers" in Australia grow golden locks and wear pink? That's a take on manliness I've NEVER seen before!

I think he is the first, but I could be wrong. See if you can acquire a copy Sneaky Sound System – Goodbye. MC Double D raps the verses in this song. Seriously have a listen for me and then get back to me, I want you to understand my pain.

I think Sneaky Sound System is Australia's answer to C & C Music Factory! They have the same kinda "upbeat techno sound with rappin' guy" C & C had. Waaaay too much for me! I didn't catch it the first time, but MC Double D even went with a bra size for his friggin' stage name! That. Or a children's cartoon character. I mean, at least one of these things HAD to enter his mind when he thought of using his initials. Of course, from lookin' at the picture, I'd say that it shoulda been the bra thing that bothered him since they obviously came out in the 80's. Or are you guys still wearing your hair like that down there? (I crack up everytime I look at that friggin' picture! Ya know, they threw Homer in a nut house for wearin' a pink shirt! )

Umm... I don't see how anybody can be taken seriously as a rap aficionado if they list their favorite MC's and Talib Kweli or Mos Def aren't on the list. I think you're a total poser. "I don't call MY RAP hip hop." Dude you are so full of yourself, you need to take yourself less seriously, people will hate you. Also, LOL at the Pimp C lyric "I've been pounding p*ssy since I was 9" HAHAHAHAHA Holy crap. He was 9?!?! I was still watching the Power Rangers. Holy sh*t that is f*cked up. Who would have sex with a 9 year old? Mmmm your 3 inch d*ck feels so good. It probably lasted like .5 seconds. If Pimp C thinks he is cool because he has been having sex since he was 9, then I honestly just can't respect that. I lol at him. Also, Jay-Z can't possibly considered the worst rapper ever with people like Soulja Boy out there. So you're so full of sh*t that when you burp, poop comes out of your mouth. Chew on that.

As far as 'real' rappers are concerned, K-Fed. Absolutely, no contest. Though I've heard some of my buddy's recording school classmates do worse.

MXH, why? Why? I really never thought I'd see that again.

there is just so many terrible rappers to choose from

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Originally posted by MXH:
You're all wrong.

lmfao
that is retarded as hell!

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Originally posted by Round John Verjin:
since they obviously came out in the 80's. Or are you guys still wearing your hair like that down there? (I crack up everytime I look at that friggin' picture! Ya know, they threw Homer in a nut house for wearin' a pink shirt! )

Well, judging from that pink shirt MC Double D is wearing, I’d say he came out a looong time ago, if you know what I mean But unfortunately Sneaky Sound System has only been around for a couple of years now. According to Wikipedia they formed in 2004, and they have been quite the rave here in Australia during the past 12 months getting heaps of radio play with their hit UFO.