I can't think of anything more disgusting and terrible for anyone to listen to than this album. The fact that Rolling Stone thinks it's good (4/5) really speaks to how they are completely out of touch with the market they originally catered to. They are a pop music mag now, plain & simple, whose only goal is not to spread the word about good music but to sell and create new markets for any sh*t that comes down the road with an deep bankroll of a label behind it.

They gave a perfect score to an album you can only listen to one month out of the year. Does this make you feel any better?

http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/_/id/6570070?pageid=rs.ReviewsAlbumArchive&pageregion=mainRegion

If that was you who wrote the tinymixtapes review, then I thank you. Yes, all the stuff about black culture and Bill Cosby and everything is true too, but the important part, which you didn't lose sight of, is that my ears hurt when I listen to the cheesy beats and fiddy's inability to enunciate even a single word.

EDIT: I'm downloading this for a wigger friend. I was like "Hey, I'll listen to a little bit of it. This should be comical."

Ahem.

this SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!

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Originally posted by Buck "Sweetie" McGuck:
If that was you who wrote the tinymixtapes review, then I thank you.

Thanks, dude. But I was more disgusted by the feeling of betrayal I felt at the hands of RS. I used to love that mag. I can remember looking at their charts and seeing about half the albums on it were ones I wanted. Now I look and maybe 1 or 2 of the 40 are ones I want and maybe 2 more I wouldn't mind owning but would never pay full price for. I actually have a 1972 issue and they used to be really cutting edge and culturally relavent. Now they're just an extention of the corporate machine. As a critic, I can't think of any reason to want to listen to 50 and tons more on why he's bad for anyone to hear but as a music lover and a human being, I am disgusted by what RS has become.

hmmmn...
wasnt surprised by this one.

I personally agree with both filmore and buck there is not really a reason why this album should even exist.

I swear, mainstream rap fans don't care about what the music sounds like. All they really care about is whether the liner notes have pictures of the rapper looking tough holding guns and dumping pitchers of come on women's chests.

Actually, that's a pretty surreal image when you realize how long it would take Fiddy to fill the pitcher to have enough to dump onto a woman. Or maybe he held a gun up to a group of inferiior thugs and made them fill the pitcher or risk getting shot. It really jumpstarts your imagination. But that doesn't make up for "Gatman and Robbin'". (shudders)

True buck.

Butone thing that i hate even more is the fact that Madlib could release his throw away tracks and it could get an 8.1 on pitchfork or whoever.

I realize madlib is extremely popular and i like him myself.But...there is alimit to what you shoul dor should not "officialy" put out for purchase.

I mean who really likes the yesterdays new quintet stuff.It is commendable if it is "really" him that played all the instruments.Overall it soundslike some hack recording of some jazz-head trying to re-create some of his favorite moments.

Sorry to get off the point...but i think that wiggers buying 50 cents new album and bumping it while riding in there monte carlo, is just as bad as some wannabe hipster scooping up everything madlib touches.Or whomever you want to substitute in for madlib.

Maybe its just me but i am waiting for madlib to come out with a consistently good record.I have said it before but i think he needs a good dose ofstability in his production.My favorite productions from him are on the Dudley Perkins album 'a lil light'.Listen to the instrumental version.The tracks are extremely consisten and have structure.There is a limit to abstraction.Before you get lost in your own noodlings.

I could go on.Referencing anticon and such.

Anyways...50 cent sucks...and i am tired of madlib.That is the gist of it.

Moby is a pretty big hipster drop. That's the #1 link to youth for mid-lifers with ponytails.

Why would you insist on continually discussing a genre of music that you clearly just don't like? I'm not into death metal, but I don't write silly reviews about it to further some hidden agenda regarding my moral beliefs. I don't go around telling people who listen to polka that all of their music sounds the same. It's not logical to posit an inverse relationship between an album's popularity and its quality; I don't care how pretentious you think you are. Here's a memo you guys should have recieved a long time ago:
-Cultural conscience, especially in relation to rap, is really really cheesy.
-No rapper claims to have anything at all to do with the music on his album. No producer claims to have particularly original melodies and they all OPENLY use samples ALL THE TIME. Rap production is about having TIGHT, WELL-MIXED beats that WORK FOR AND ACCOMPANY THE RAPPER. Not the other way around. (actually, this used to be the case with all music, but shhh.)
-Nobody between the ages of 15 and 30 gives a F*CK what's disrespectful to women, including the majority of the women.
-If you have ever liked Rolling Stone, don't admit it to anybody under any circumstances.
-Shady Aftermath actually BROUGHT BACK the majority of the themes that you guys accuse them of ripping off.
-Dr. Dre INVENTED these themes to begin with.
-It's ironic to reflect on the plight of the black man and use the word "wigger" in the same post.
-Hip hop and rap are not the same thing.
-Hip hop where the "M.C." uses silly cartoon character voices to try to help me change my life is CHEESY.
-Repeat after me: "There is a thing called cheesiness and it is firmly established as being bad."
-Whoever masters Madlib's tracks deserves to be shot in the face.
-Tinymixtapes.com having a hidden agenda is like a five-year-old trying to rub one out.

And anyone who says that 50 Cent can't rap is not only a total f*cking idiot, but he's such a total f*cking idiot that he doesn't even have the sense to trust critics and-- dare I say-- black people who listen to a lot more rap than he does.

Now stfu and go pretend like you know what Aesop Rock is talking about.

PS In case the troll confused anybody, it's milk, not cum. Jesus.

wow...are u ok?

do u feel better after getting that off your chest?Because it has all been said and re-said 100 times before.


Oh yeah and why dont u speak for everyone in the universe because it is obvious they think exactly like you do.

I think u might be a bit confused also...there were 3 different people commenting on that album...and i agree with you madlib is getting over cooked.He continues to flood the market with his filler when occasionally he has some good stuff.Nobody needs to be shot over it though...i actually think whoever does his mixing is either a genious or an idiot.He may be striving for a rougher sound.But i cannot speak for him.

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If it's all been said 100 times before, maybe there's a reason. Why don't you start paying attention?

And I do speak for everyone in the universe, because everyone in the universe thinks this album is FIRE.

Except for the people who feel some need to express their individuality/opinions about society soley through their musical preferences.

And sorry for disturbing your little circle jerk guys. I'm not saying everyone should have to like 50 Cent, I'm just saying that you guys seem to base your opinions about rap artists on really stupid criteria.

what criteria is that?

Maybe that they have an ounce of uniquness and creativity...and they are not worried about what is "FIRE" or not.

Which is pure bullshit...oh yeah i saw joe blow pop star doing this or listening to this so i will do it.

Be a tool and listen to 50 cent all u want.

The bottom line is that the album is not making any strides to differ itself from everything else that is coming out.

It all is regurgitated junk.

I am not afraid to admit i liked "guess who's back" and the boatloads of mixtapes he did for a while...but his past 2 efforts all i see is him cashing in.When he could do alot more.

Its funny you mention aesop rock...u must assume all of us are white who have postedon this thread.A little judgemental yourself.

I'm not the one calling people wiggers. And 50's lyrical content, despite what HIPSTERS will try to tell you differs very little between his mixtapes and his major label releases.

And I'll say this for the last time.

RAP IS ABOUT DELIVERY.
ASIDE FROM THIS, SHADY AFTERMATH BROUGHT BACK GANGSTER RAP TO BEGIN WITH.
DR. DRE INVENTED GANGSTER RAP.
WHAT ABOUT THIS IS UNORIGINAL?

I'm sorry, but nobody actually rapped like 50 before 50 came out. And if you're accusing the production of being trite, then maybe you need to read up on a guy called "Dr. Dre." He's been around for a while, you know.

Why do YOU think everyone likes this album?

do i fuckin care why other people like the album...dr.dre has done dick for years.

Oh yes i forgot...u are a person who never gives in and is always right.

I agreed with u half the time...but i guess all u see is the negative anyways so who really cares.

That's not good enough. This type of rap is clearly new enough that saying anything is a rip off of anything else is a moot point to begin with.
And implying that Dr. Dre's production is trite is like implying that Brian Wilson is a Beach Boys ripoff.
He INVENTED what he does.
I think that you don't like 50 because you think it's uncool to like what everyone else likes. The irony of which should be self-evident.
You already admitted that you like his mix-tapes. And isn't it a little stereotypical to say that only white people listen to Aesop Rock? How do you know I'm black?
I'm a person who resists conceding to baseless arguments.

its cool man.
You like what u like and i like what i like.

That is one of the beautys of music...i could hate what u like for the exact same reason you like it.

I dont have to justify to you or anybody else why i like what i like.I just lik eit for whatever reason.

So...welcome to the forums!
Hope you have some good points to add to conversations.

Yes, I have a strong feeling that this thread will continue to build when some of the earlier posters and some who haven't shown decide to add their opinions. One thing for sure is that some people here have some strong, well-informed opinions about what they're discussing. I would just like to see the discussion respond to the points which are being made, and that a repetition of past opinions isn't necessary. A fleshing-out or a more thorough examination of the opinions is a good idea. Too bad this isn't my forte. I haven't heard the new one, except for one of my students playing "Candy Shop". My opinion of the old one, on one listen, was that I'd heard it all before. I wouldn't take my opinion for much on that, but it's still my opinion.

Welcome, Joseph. I like a little pot-stirring. I just hope it brings about thoughtful debate, but that's up to all of you.

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Originally posted by Joseph Strickland:
RAP IS ABOUT DELIVERY.
ASIDE FROM THIS, SHADY AFTERMATH BROUGHT BACK GANGSTER RAP TO BEGIN WITH.
DR. DRE INVENTED GANGSTER RAP.
WHAT ABOUT THIS IS UNORIGINAL?
I'm a person who resists conceding to baseless arguments.

Well, I would say my review was very reality and historically based. Have you read it? There's no hidden agenda. I lay it all on the line. For this argument I would say you're making very ignorant assumptions about what rap can be. Though you have nailed it on the head about exactly what hip-pop is all about: delivery and nothing more. So Dr. Dre originated it. That was 10 years ago. Keeping on doing the exact same thing only worse every time is the definition of unoriginal. Doesn't matter if you did it first or not. John Fogerty was sued for making "Old Man Down The Road" sound too much like a CCR song he himself wrote. He was being unoriginal. Public Enemy made great political rap. Arrested Developement, Black Sheep, The Pharcyde, and De La Soul all made great gourndbreaking music. Dr. Dre and the whole Aftermath gang, if you read my review, are still humping the violent past instead of trying to expand and bush the boundaries of what the genre can be. Can you really take 50 Cent seriously when he's making the same album at 60 because he can't do anything else but mumble about how great killing people and being rich is? Dr. Dre now has nothing on N.W.A. back then. He has no passion anymore: reason - he hasn't been a gangsta in 17 years. He's just another vacuous millionaire pop star. Easy E is rolling blunts in his grave. But, if anything, could you clarify the "hidden agenda" remark? My reviews are all rediculously blunt.
I'd also like to point out I've tried to focus this post on Rolling Stone and not tinymixtapes. I'm not a street teamer.

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I'm sorry, but nobody actually rapped like 50 before 50 came out. And if you're accusing the production of being trite, then maybe you need to read up on a guy called "Dr. Dre." He's been around for a while, you know.

Just my 2 cents, but dude, get off 50's nuts already. You act like he's the best rapper of all time. I personally am sick of MTV trying to feed me his crap. 50 is a drama queen. W/O his drama, he wouldn't be 50. The guy has nothing on big, pac, rakim, nas, em, snoop. He's practically pop. Only little teenie boppers enjoy 50 cent. Same crowd that buys Kelly Clarkson CD's buys into "the massacre". I'm all about west coast rap and will always bump 2Pac. But that doesn't mean I listen only to hip hop/rap. I also listen to alternative, rock, techno, house, and just about anything that sounds good (yes, even some country songs). You gotta keep a good variety of music in your IPod!

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Originally posted by Joseph Strickland:
I'm sorry, but nobody actually rapped like 50 before 50 came out.

In the sense that no other mentally handicapped african american who was shot in the jaw, permanently ruining his ability to speak, has decided to pursue a rap career, you're right.

And don't try to turn this around on me and say "Well what's wrong with that?"