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Originally posted by odysseyandoracle:
Jesus Christ, I hate Nickelback. They are probably one of the 5 worst bands ever.

Agreed. Chad Krueger just got busted in Vancouver for driving his Lamborghini thirty over the speed limit at 2 in the morning with a blood alcohol level well over the legal limit. He lost in court and got fined a couple hundred bucks and his license suspended for a year... AND HE'S APPEALING THE RULING. How the hell couldn't he afford a driver then and now? But, no, he's just going to tie up the courts a bit more with his ego, as if they don't have more important sh!t to deal with.

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Originally posted by odysseyandoracle:
Jesus Christ, I hate Nickelback. They are probably one of the 5 worst bands ever.

Nickelback rock! Actually, I think I might put Silver Side Up on right now...

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Originally posted by Primordial Jamshed:

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Originally posted by odysseyandoracle:
Jesus Christ, I hate Nickelback. They are probably one of the 5 worst bands ever.

Nickelback rock! Actually, I think I might put Silver Side Up on right now...

I hope that is sarcasm. They play Nickleback on the radio every 30 seconds around here. It's miserable.

First off, I'm an Avril fan. Her music is miles better than Britney Spears and N*******k. She gives hope to a generation of skateboarding posers and basically a generation that just likes catchy music. Listen to "with you" it's one of her best songs. Yeah she wrote some of her songs, but The Matrix wrote most of the stuff.

Second, who cares that the music sounds like Peaches and/or The Rubinoos (who?). A bunch of Coldplay songs sounds like stuff I've heard before and in 20,000 years, every song will sound like something else. Suing someone for, well, sounding a bit alike is like suing a bread company because they stole your secret recipe on how to make great bread.

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Originally posted by Nick Jonas:
Second, who cares that the music sounds like Peaches and/or The Rubinoos (who?). A bunch of Coldplay songs sounds like stuff I've heard before and in 20,000 years, every song will sound like something else. Suing someone for, well, sounding a bit alike is like suing a bread company because they stole your secret recipe on how to make great bread.

Fail.

You should do some research before voicing an opinion. The people that write her music stole, man. She's a no talent hack with no interest in music save the money it can make her, otherwise she might have actually known who David Bowie was.

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Originally posted by Mike Angelo:

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Originally posted by Nick Jonas:
Second, who cares that the music sounds like Peaches and/or The Rubinoos (who?). A bunch of Coldplay songs sounds like stuff I've heard before and in 20,000 years, every song will sound like something else. Suing someone for, well, sounding a bit alike is like suing a bread company because they stole your secret recipe on how to make great bread.

Fail.

You should do some research before voicing an opinion. The people that write her music stole, man. She's a no talent hack with no interest in music save the money it can make her, otherwise she might have actually known who David Bowie was.

Oh I'm sorry, you actually care about Avril Lavigne? Research on what, dude. Music? Sex? well unforuntunately I don't know the 3000 year history of music ingrained in my mind like you do. Yeah you know everything about music.

She's a valid, talented musician. You know shit about her and probably don't even have her albums yet alone listened to them. So should I listen to every single musician that may sound like me before I make my debut album. OK, well I'm sorry I'm not into music as much as you, and I am really just defending the lawsuit, not her music. There's no proof the writers stole anything; I've listened to both songs and their supposed original versions. Before attacking someone's musical education and their justification for recording, please, you know, give a shit about the artist.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
Here, Avril is being sued for ripping of the chorus from her inane "Girlfriend" skank track:
http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx?news=267989&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adzkV58Gpqs

And here is proof of her ripping off a Peaches track:
http://perezhilton.com/?p=1199
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0d2z-dWZmE

Just to clarify, this is what we are talking about. It's pretty identical there, buddy.

Here's what I was speaking of in my previous post.

I don't particularly care about Avril, she is a product for sale, but attempting to pass her off as a viable musician is a travesty.

This isn't me being pretentious, this is me simply standing up for good music, don't have a complex about it.

/rape

I already said I heard the tracks. Whatever, Avril = viable, Venetian Snares = viable, Death from above 1979 = viable.. I understand your opinion but in an age where everyone samples everybody.. can we relax about one stinkin artist (and her production team) "drawing inspiration " from a couple tracks! She shouldn't be singled out is what I'm saying. Believe me if the record sold about 500 copies no one would care that her production team stole some ideas. People are unnessacarily mad that she's selling more records than superior artists.

/gets mad but gets over it

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Originally posted by Nick Jonas:
She gives hope to a generation of skateboarding posers and basically a generation that just likes catchy music.

I'd like to know what hope skateboarding posers get from Avril. Is it the hope they may steal someone's boyfriend someday? Fat lot of difference that's going to make when the environment explodes. Screw those people. To them, I say go buy a Beatles record and grow with it. You can be both catchy and meaningful.

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Originally posted by Nick Jonas:
I already said I heard the tracks. Whatever, Avril = viable, Venetian Snares = viable, Death from above 1979 = viable.. I understand your opinion but in an age where everyone samples everybody.. can we relax about one stinkin artist (and her production team) "drawing inspiration " from a couple tracks! She shouldn't be singled out is what I'm saying. Believe me if the record sold about 500 copies no one would care that her production team stole some ideas. People are unnessacarily mad that she's selling more records than superior artists.

/gets mad but gets over it

Stop defending Avril! You're better than that, you know what good music sounds like.

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Originally posted by Nick Jonas:
Believe me if the record sold about 500 copies no one would care that her production team stole some ideas.

I'm sure that's what Negativland thought when they released the "U2" single. U2 found out and was not amused. Negativland still hasn't financially recovered from that series of lawsuits.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:

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Originally posted by Nick Jonas:
She gives hope to a generation of skateboarding posers and basically a generation that just likes catchy music.

I'd like to know what hope skateboarding posers get from Avril. Is it the hope they may steal someone's boyfriend someday?

I was kind of joking... but have you heard Sk8er Boy! It clearly gives hope... to the skateboarding generation. I'm lame but I like that song.

I'm very aware of "Sk8r Boi." On the surface, the song is about not judging the weird by appearance and/or social status. However, the real plot of the song is about not judging weird people because they may end up rich and famous and you could be passing up on famous riches too if you don't sleep with everyone. Here's my synopsis:
Ballet chick rejects skater boi for being in a lower class. Her bad.
A few years later, ballet chick has a couple kids and settles down, just like everyone wants to.
One night, she goes to a show and sees skater boi is a famous rock star, like Avril.
Song over.

Now, we're supposed to think the ballet chick screwed up and is terribly unhappy because she could have been with someone famous. In reality, she's living the average human dream. She settled down and had a couple kids, who I'm sure she wouldn't trade for all the fame and fortune in the world. Skater boi, though famous, is just as shallow as the ballet chick was and is now prone to fall into severe drug abuse, especially since he's a vapid pop star who, like Avril, has no artistic ability whatsoever. Hell, they're barely literate. The ultimate message of the song is rich people are happy and fulfilled while normal people are sad and jealous. This is a terrible song on many levels.

And, yes, I have thought about this song waaaay too much.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
Now, we're supposed to think the ballet chick screwed up and is terribly unhappy because she could have been with someone famous. In reality, she's living the average human dream. She settled down and had a couple kids, who I'm sure she wouldn't trade for all the fame and fortune in the world. Skater boi, though famous, is just as shallow as the ballet chick was and is now prone to fall into severe drug abuse, especially since he's a vapid pop star who, like Avril, has no artistic ability whatsoever. Hell, they're barely literate. The ultimate message of the song is rich people are happy and fulfilled while normal people are sad and jealous. This is a terrible song on many levels.

And, yes, I have thought about this song waaaay too much.

He was a boy, she was a girl...can I make it anymore obvious?

There's no point in arguing over Avril's artistic merit, but I will say that I'm 99% positive that neither song is an intentional ripoff, for what that's worth. The Rubinoos tune is pretty obscure - I had never even heard of them and I've spent the better part of the last 8 years excavating music online - and that chorus is pretty obvious; as has been pointed out, once you ignore the similarity in lyrics both are as close to "Get Off of My Cloud" as they are to each other. Dr. Luke's got a pretty heavy resume, and him intentionally ripping off the Rubinoos strikes me as about as likely as George Harrison intentionally ripping off the Chiffons. In other words, the Avril team hardly needed to do that to get a hit.

As for the other song...please. Have any of y'all listened to the whole thing? That intro part is about 15 seconds long and, given the rest of the song (straightforward pop punk very similar to what her hubbie's band, Sum 41, might have made), was almost certainly meant to be mocking the contemporary trend of pop music pretending to be heavy electro and hip-hop (e.g. Britney Spears's last couple albums). Not only that, but the beat was clearly "inspired" by the main guitar riff in the song. That one's definitely a coincidence.

To be fair, I don't think she actually ripped anyone off. I just think she sucks as a musician and a human being and I'm truly overjoyed to see her lack of vision exposed in this fashion. I'd love nothing more than to see the entire music industry sue her into the crackpoorhouse.

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Originally posted by mymindsblank:
I hope that is sarcasm. They play Nickleback on the radio every 30 seconds around here. It's miserable.

Actually it isn’t out of the 5 albums they’ve released, there is only a couple of songs I really don’t like.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito I'd love nothing more than to see the entire music industry sue her into the crackpoorhouse.

She may not write her own music or be original, but when I see this kind of tour schedule from any performer, I reserve a little respect.

The only time I hear any radio, mainstream or not, is when I’m at work, because it’s constantly blearing in the pharmacy next door; sometimes I’ll hear stuff that I like, and later find out who the artist is, and there’s a few Avril songs that I don’t mind.

Those Rubinoos dudes have apparently accused several artists of ripping off their music, including: The Beatles, The Raspberries, and The Beach Boys.

As for that Peaches song, it’s just drums and vocals, and though the style of Avril’s vocals are very, very similar, apart from the opening words of each line “I’m the”, the lyrics are different, also Avril repeats “I’m the one, I’m the one” before she finishes each phrase, when the Peaches say “I’m the kind of bitch.” I’m pretty sure you can’t copyright the words “I’m the” so good luck with that Peaches.

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Originally posted by Primordial Jamshed:
She may not write her own music or be original, but when I see this kind of tour schedule from any performer, I reserve a little respect.

Well, almost every performer has that kinda of tour schedule, and most of them don't lip-synch on tour and fly first class like Avril. Indie bands may not go on many world tours, but they drive smelly vans across North America all year long, and they actually play all of their own music that they wrote. Avril's tours are a veiled vacation.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:

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Originally posted by Primordial Jamshed:
She may not write her own music or be original, but when I see this kind of tour schedule from any performer, I reserve a little respect.

Well, almost every performer has that kinda of tour schedule, and most of them don't lip-synch on tour and fly first class like Avril. Indie bands may not go on many world tours, but they drive smelly vans across North America all year long, and they actually play all of their own music that they wrote. Avril's tours are a veiled vacation.

You may be right. I’ve heard Avril live on tv before, and it doesn’t sound lip synched, although when I say this, it’s not really intended as a compliment to her singing ability, if you know what I mean.

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:

Indie bands may not go on many world tours, but they drive smelly vans across North America all year long, and they actually play all of their own music that they wrote. Avril's tours are a veiled vacation.

I beg to differ. The Gossip? The Strokes? Sonic Youth? The Pixies? Morrissey? Arctic Monkeys?

Granted they write their own music, but I'd be very surprised if they drive their own smelly vans across North America. I'm also pretty sure all of those bands have done world tours and a fair few of them work with hands on production teams who have a substantial say in what they record, in order to sell records.

I think the word 'Many' could be effectively placed at the beginning of that sentence.

The word 'Indie' infers a no-compromise DIY ethic. That's why a large cross section of people see it as moral perfection. The reality is often very different. In some ways, Miss Lasagne has a lot in common with corporate indie artists.

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Originally posted by Duncan Black:

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
Indie bands may not go on many world tours, but they drive smelly vans across North America all year long, and they actually play all of their own music that they wrote. Avril's tours are a veiled vacation.

I beg to differ. The Gossip? The Strokes? Sonic Youth? The Pixies? Morrissey? Arctic Monkeys?

I mean it in a literal sense, bands signed to small, independent labels, if they're signed at all. The Strokes, Sonic Youth, The Pixies, Morrissey, and the likes are now major label artists and have been for years. If you walk around any major North American city, you will see ten flyers for bands you have never heard of for every one of Avril Lavigne, black and white flyers for bands with no touring budget who cram into smelly vans and drive. That's who I was talking about.
Now that you mention it, though, all the bands you listed had to spend years driving their own smelly vans as unknowns till they got signed to a major. Avril Lavigne never paid her dues. She signed a two album deal with a major on the strength of her Shania Twain (no joke) covers alone. She had never written a song and she still hasn't heard of the Sex Pistols.

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