So not knowing music history, not being mega-talented, having money and using studio gimmicks bar someone from making music? It doesn't really matter how music is made, if someone hears it and enjoys it...well, there's nothing more to it.
Originally posted by minty: So not knowing music history, not being mega-talented, having money and using studio gimmicks bar someone from making music? It doesn't really matter how music is made, if someone hears it and enjoys it...well, there's nothing more to it.
It obviously doesn't bar them from making music. In fact, being all those things allows them to release major label vanity projects regularly. Like AC/DC said, money talks. However, it bars them from making art. The kind of garbage Paris makes has a very short shelf life. Tiffany, anyone?
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Some people still like Tiffany, and what's wrong with a vanity project? Every musician doesn't have to make art, or at least not the typ of art I think you mean. I mean, why can't art be fun and bouncy? If people can enjoy it then in some way it IS art to someone.
Whatever, you're so clearly wrapped up in your snobbery that anyone who dares to think that Paris Hilton's CD is quality will never get through to you.
I sure hope you never forget to make sure the music you listen to was written by the performer, because you know, if it isn't then the song is totally worthless.
As Duke Ellington is reputed to have said, 'There are only two types of music : good and bad'.....Hiltons' product is bad regardless of who is writing and producing.
Filmore is not a snob. He simply knows bad muzak when he hears it.
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Originally posted by minty: you're so clearly wrapped up in your snobbery that anyone who dares to think that Paris Hilton's CD is quality will never get through to you.
It's not snobbery. I just prefer my porn to be more visual and less aural. To each their own.
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Originally posted by Louie: I love Paris Hilton and her music Stars are blind was in my stereo for 5 months non stop.
Then you should listen to "Kingston Town" by UB40, the song that she ripped off, it's pretty much the same, but slightly better because it's sung by someone who can sing.
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I actually met Paris Hilton's producer. I'm afraid to write what was said about Miss Hilton, suffice to say the general public's views are echoed in those who work with her.
I'm not very familiar with her music, which is strange. When I worked for HMV it was on the playlist for days. I suppose that means it was so bland I didn't even notice it. Whatever the case, it didn't do anything to attract my attention.
Originally posted by minty: Some people still like Tiffany, and what's wrong with a vanity project? Every musician doesn't have to make art, or at least not the typ of art I think you mean. I mean, why can't art be fun and bouncy? If people can enjoy it then in some way it IS art to someone.
I enjoy chocolate. Does that make it art?
Filmore isn't going to stop anyone from enjoying anything. But you gotta call it like you hear it. And if it sounds like crap, you gotta say so (or lie, but who the hell would want to?).
For my part, I've heard enough about Paris Hilton to make my ears fall off. She's like a particularly fruitful strain of virus in the tabloids, entertainment tonight, the news, eveywhere. So I almost feel like it's my duty never to listen to her music. But at the same time, she's morbidly fascinating.
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Originally posted by Duncan Black: I actually met Paris Hilton's producer. I'm afraid to write what was said about Miss Hilton, suffice to say the general public's views are echoed in those who work with her.
Why are you afraid to write about it? You already sold your rights? Sounds juicy.
I take absolutely no shame whatsoever in saying that Paris Hilton should not be making an album/music in any way shape or form, if that makes me a snob, then good, I’m a proud snob! :P but there is a reason for that, allow me to explain:
Let’s be blunt and fair here, sure the album might be well produced, but why does Paris Hilton of all people deserve to have a fully studio produced Album? Think about the thousands of musicians, singers and song writers out there, writing, fighting and sweating blood, working full time jobs, investing all their spare time, all their money into coaching, buying expensive musical equipment, spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on independent recordings, paying for rehearsals, playing live shows for nothing, paying for promotion of their music and their shows, paying thousands of dollars for PR, giving absolutely everything they’ve got, every day for their passion, and then Paris Hilton releases an Album...
It’s an insult to anyone who is even slightly musical, and I can understand why people would be annoyed or disgusted. What is she going to do next? Enter a chess tournament? Try out for the Olympics? Please...
There should be no beating around the bush in saying that she is an obnoxious hack, I think that’s a title she has truly earned as far as I’m concerned, and I think that should be an obvious black and white fact.
IF she had an astonishingly great voice, then maybe I would have more of an open mind to her music, but she doesn't.
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Originally posted by Alchemy: Let’s be blunt and fair here, sure the album might be well produced, but why does Paris Hilton of all people deserve to have a fully studio produced Album? Think about the thousands of musicians, singers and song writers out there, writing, fighting and sweating blood, working full time jobs, investing all their spare time, all their money into coaching, buying expensive musical equipment, spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on independent recordings, paying for rehearsals, playing live shows for nothing, paying for promotion of their music and their shows, paying thousands of dollars for PR, giving absolutely everything they’ve got, every day for their passion, and then Paris Hilton releases an Album...
You betcha. But, on the other hand, when you buy a Paris album, you're not actually buying music. You're the type who's buying the album because all your friends are buying the album and you want to be cool too. It's a fashion statement and nothing more. These are the same people who all rushed out and bought Aqua and Chumbawumba and Milli Vanilli and New Kids On The Block and so on and so on. They aren't listening to that music now, but boy howdy did they love and defend it when it was popular. It's so much easier to defend something when you've got numbers, no matter how stupid and wrong it is. I mean, they used to light you on fire for saying the earth rotates around the sun and not the other way 'round. Mob rules.
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I know exactly what you mean Filmore, recent discussions I’ve had with some people who couldn’t back up one word of what they were saying with a single valid point, forced me to suffer the consequence of mob rules, and somehow in the end, I’m the bad guy?
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I was going to say the same thing about the Hunter S. Thompson Quote.
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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes: These are the same people who all rushed out and bought Aqua and Chumbawumba and Milli Vanilli and New Kids On The Block and so on and so on. They aren't listening to that music now, but boy howdy did they love and defend it when it was popular.
I still listen to Chumbawumba
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^^^ I've actually got nothing against Chumbawumba. At least they had some political opinions. They just kinda fit in the fad trend I had going on there. I don't totally hate Aqua either. Eiffel 65 is worse than both of them combined.
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