Coffee and Cigarettes was a great movie. Just because viewers these days have no patience and only want to see the same action sequences rehashed in every single movie, doesn't mean a slower paced, artistic look at pop icons, "stinks"
quote:Originally posted by Dave Olverson: You are a very, very unintelligent human being. Coffee and Cigarettes was a great movie.
Dave Olverson, welcome to Metacritic. Let me make it clear that I don't represent MC; I'm just a poster, as you are. However, I have been here long enough to see people get admonished for being too PERSONAL in their comments.
I will assure you, that whatever you may wish to call Machols (remember: attack the opinion, not the person), he could never, ever be considered "unintelligent." He did edit his original post, and unfortunately, he seems to be editing himself out of MC, perhaps because he doesn't "want to step in the same river twice."
I agree with philosopherEric that Machols is essential. DO, maybe you should click on Machols' name to see some of his other posts, at least before they all disappear. Anyway, again, welcome Dave Olverson.
And Machols, come on back. I know you enjoyed the honest exchange as much as we did.
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Posts: 12945 | Location: Behind the Orange Curtain | Registered: 14 May 2004
Mark is right ... you cannot personally insult other posters here, no matter how much you disagree with them. Not liking a movie doesn't have anything to do with someone's intelligence.
If you disagree that Coffee and Cigarettes is the worst film of the year, then state why you disagree so that the person you disagree with may respond intelligently and an actual discussion can be had rather than a flame war that's boring to everone else and hurtful to the people involved.
And I do hope Machols comes back and chooses not to censor his opinions. Everyone here should feel free to state their thoughts about different forms of entertainment without feeling personally attacked by other people.
What disappoints me about posts like Dave Olverson's is assumption that anyone who doesn't like a movie that displays 'a slower paced, artistic look at pop icons' automatically wants to see 'the same action sequences rehashed in every single movie'.
The same kinds of things were said to detractors of 'Lost in Translation', who were also dismissed out-of-hand for lacking patience.
The irony is incredibly obvious.
I know the thread is a month old, but the question remains: how can one justify the claims made by Dave Olverson (and others)?
quote:Originally posted by groundfisher: What disappoints me about posts like Dave Olverson's is assumption that anyone who doesn't like a movie that displays 'a slower paced, artistic look at pop icons' automatically wants to see 'the same action sequences rehashed in every single movie'.
The same kinds of things were said to detractors of 'Lost in Translation', who were also dismissed out-of-hand for lacking patience.
The irony is incredibly obvious.
I know the thread is a month old, but the question remains: how can one justify the claims made by Dave Olverson (and others)?
I don't believe anyone with an open mind can justify it, since the poster hasn't even returned to justify it. Also the originator of the thread hasn't returned lately either, athough I've received a private message that he's well.
groundfisher, welcome and feel free to post at these forums. I just don't think there's anything else to say at this point at this thread concerning those posts. Everyone feel free to discuss "Coffee and Cigarettes" though.
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?"
Posts: 12945 | Location: Behind the Orange Curtain | Registered: 14 May 2004
Without wanting to get involved in this unnecessary bickering, I would like to defend Jim Jarmusch's offering. Although the film is a a mixed bag, some of the scenes are just pure genius. Cate Blanchett should have won her oscar for her performance in this (rather than as Katherine Hepburn). She is absolutely superb! The comedy between Alfred Molina and Steve Coogan is hilarious. The should be much more of Steve Coogan on the big screen (check out '24hr party people' for proof!).
Oh, and anyone who has smoked a cigarette (and enjoyed it) will find the Tom Waits/Iggy Pop scene genius.
Not the finest film of 2004, but far, far from the worst.
Well, I agree that slander is just a ridiculous waist of time and denegrates from what the original post was even *about* by deferring all further posts to the defense of or philosophy of "getting along", or to the further belittlement of either the first commenter or the belittler and so on down the line, so I'm just going to ignore all that nonsense and get back *on* topic and say that "Coffee and Cigarettes" is not only one of my favorite movies of last year, but also of all time. I agree, that it is slow-paced, and it actually focuses in on the more introspective side of Jim Jarmusch's work by keeping the theme entirely about conversations had over coffee and cigarettes. I love simple beauty of it and the extraordinary pedestrian quality of the film. I laughed through the entire thing because virtually every conversation had either reminded me of conversations I've had over coffee and cigarettes, or those I've overheard, or altogether displayed a thoroughly surreal situation that never would or will happen, such as the scene's with GZA, RZA & Bill Murray, or with Jack & Meg White. I loved how the segue from scene to scene was so stark and simply cut from one to the next without any similarity from one segment of the film to the next. This actually reminded me of what a film might look like if Andy Warhol and Quentin Tarantino got together and did a film: Remember, Quentin Tarantino may do a significant number of action-packed films, but the center of all of his films heretofore has always been the dialogue, and Andy Warhol had a way of making pedestrian situations come to life; so that's how I draw that comparison. I truly felt that it was an absolutely amazingly insightful film for lovers of trivia and mellow afternoons in diners over coffee, and of course, cigarettes.
"My cat can eat a whole watermelon!" - Crispin Glover as 'Rubin'
Posts: 1 | Location: Oakland, CA | Registered: 23 July 2005
sorry, but... I love jim jarmusch, I really do - stranger than paradise is one of my favorites, but I turned off coffee and cigarettes halfways because it was boring and pretentious. terrible terrible movie. like you notice time passing by the second. looking at my grass is more stimulating.
Anyone seen "Manos: The Hands of Fate"? worst. period. f-ing. movie.
Posts: 222 | Location: DC | Registered: 07 July 2004
Well, I finally got around to watching the entire film. I can't really recommend it, but I do think the two segments near the end are the best. Those two would be the Alfred Molina/Steeve Coogan "Cousins?" and the GZA/RZA/Bill Murray "Delirium". Watching the movie straight through does provide for some segments to comment on previous ones, but I agree that there were too many scenes where people talk about absolutely nothing. You may find that something to relate to, but I go out of my way to never talk about "nothing". Except for at the forums.
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?"
Posts: 12945 | Location: Behind the Orange Curtain | Registered: 14 May 2004
actually insults are allowed, congress cannot "abridge" freedom of speech. therefore our democracy theoretically grants absolute freedom of speech, but censorship is allowed when necessary. insult on, and grow thicker skin.
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