yeah I spent enough on my ps2 alone to feed like thousands of people. sad. on the upside, anyone want to buy some rare games?

/pre-ordered ©Revolution from lik-sang
//I better get a raise soon

PS2 rare games? Which ones?

I;m not sure which if any are originals, but I have sealed copies of disgaea, Legend of Mana (ps1) Rez, Guitaroo man and a few others I can't remember. my most valuable games are actually sealed GBA and SNES games - DK countries 1 through 3 (all brand new), super mario world, super mario kart, Legend of Zelda SNES, castlevania harmony of dissonance (GBA), Hamtaro Heartbreak (GBA), Futurama (XBOX) etc... if you're interested I'll send you the full list

I've been looking for a copy of Chrono Trigger on the SNES for the longest time.

the 360 ended the xbox, gc, and ps2's life cycle prematurely. they still have a year or two left in them. i guess that's business for you and the supposed technological leap. graphics are about par for the course and gameplay is the same old same old.

alright im replying about 4 months after the release of the 360 and i will talk about every single topic that the origanal person talked about.

1. first the price. alright, what they did was perfect, the 299$ version was for gamers her were not as harcore as the rest of us. the 399$ version is a good amount, the ps3 will be more and it costs a lot of many to manufacture and make every single system.

2.second, if parents buy there son a 299$ version, its not like they couldn't buy the hard drive for 100$. plus they wouldn't even be aloud to buy halo and halo 2 cuz there not seventeen yet.

3.there were 18 games at launch, which r a lot. also if u look at the ps2's launch games u will see that there were only a couple good launch titles. plus we've got oblivion, ghost recon, call of duty, condemned, fight night, dead or alive, and pefrect dark and it only been a few months.

4.bulletproof and warrior didn't even turn out that good.

5.wow, hidden costs. just look at the thing, u get an amazing marketplace, where u can try a demo of almost every game for free, before u buy them, and a lot of people already have HD-TV and it still looks good without it.

6. THERE IS A REASON THEY ONLY COST 150$!!!! XBOX 360 IS AMAZING. GET IT.

but dont get me wrong my favorite system was nintendo 64, and i love the ps2. so dont ctagorize me as a fanboy, cuz u will be wrong.

I swore by my forefather's foot down in Santiago I will stay loyal to Sony and wait for PlayStation 3's release but guess what, Wily Microsoft came up with Oblivion. Boom I was sold. XBOX 360 is an amazing system....all right, it doesn't look as good on standard TV as it does on HDTV but it still looks pretty damn good. And I don't buy the whole "it's way too expensive" horsecrap. I burned practically the same amount of $$G'S$$ when I bought PlayStation 2 almost four years ago.

Besides, I'm not totally abandoning Sony. I'm buying it too when it comes out next year. Actually I heard rumors it's due for launch sometime late this year...before Christmas. So why not have both, and be able to play a smorgasbord of games? Can't lose.

So go out and get it.

Personally Since i haven't got an Xbox 360 i possibly wouldn't agree. since however i have played on the system elsewhere it does appear that many pople are having faults with their systems and the lack of games just proves it worthless. really since reading reviews and everything else i think that anyone who wants a 360 system should really wait for two things, more games and also the price to drop significantly on the 360. currently in the UK th3 360 full package is £280 and the core package £210 so be the time you buy the core package and a seperate hard drive system to attach to it then it has cost you the same as the full package anyway therefore meaning that the full system package is better because it comes with more online accessories and also comes with a wireless control. currently although i am still waiting for a 360 i am still getting the same thrills out of games that are out for the Xbox and PS2 such as the Halo games for Xbox and the popular James Bond Games for Playstation.

Give it some time ya tools! If people don't buy one then they won't invest millions of dollars into a Xbox 3 or 4 and so on. Its only early days. Yes the cost is an issue but that will come down.

Don't you worry, all the major companies are drawing up bigger and better games, which you couldn't dream of playing on your current gen systems.

Just look at some of the screenshots from the games that are available now, jaw dropping. Heaps of depth of shade and colour.

The biggest issue is for online gaming. Currently there aren't many or as many people in the 360 Live gaming environment. When this builds then I will buy. Or if I have some spare cash handy then I will. Basically the urge to buy right now is there, but maybe I should wait a while longer.

well, now that all three systems are out i have to say that the playstation 3 costs more then the xbox and although many people absouloutely love the wii i think it's pathetic and that the 360 is the best choice with games like oblivion and gears of war

sry m8 but the Xbox 360 OWNS like F*ck! Look at the graphics, ONLINE XBOX LIVE, and the immense games for it such as PDZ, GOW, TES4 Oblivion, BF2MC and soon HALO 3 which is gona make all the people who bought the PS3 CRY!
w/e u do just dont buy a PS3 if ur thinkin about it just think this:
XBOX360 + WII = Same price as PS3 (maybe under)
Convinced yet??

although it was posted like 2 years ago, i gota say that article is a piece of shit, it lost every ounce of my respect when it said 50 cent:bulletproof was a hit game. and that "xbox 360 was made to look bad on non-HDTV" line was bull, it hardly matters. the guys just looking for a different angle on an issue everyone knows about. ps3 is a piece of shit, they should have made an article about that one. all they did was put ridiculously expensive hardware into a ps2 and stuck it on the market, only thing that changed is slightly better graphics and the price tag. its not like its the difference between ps1 and ps2, they cant advance too much more from where theyre at. personaly i dont give a shit about shadows and depth and crap, some of the best games are on old school snes and n64 and emulators are free. the wii is the only system that came up with something new, other then the 360s arcade thing, thats pretty cool. gears of war is gay, the cover system was robbed off tom clancy games, and the health system was the same as halo2, and everyone in it looks like arnold swarzenager at the height of his body building career. only good thing about it was the graphics. the story line was ridiculous too, humanity loses most of its population and somehow manages to keep up a constantly fought worldwide war for 14 years while having enough people to develope lava guns and full body armor, along with the man power to manufacture them all, and the fact that youd have to pretty much train a nation to fight. it was just walking from cover to cover and shooting the guys on the other side of what you were hiding behind over and over.

Xbox is forsure the best console i would say specially if you want to really own at games. I mean PS3 has really suck games except a select few decent ones but the online is not as good and doesn't run as smooth. The Wii is a little better but the games are ridiculous, everyone i know who has a wii just has Zelda and Wii Sports. Zelda is good but its single player and if you play too much single player games you become a noob, and Wii sports gets tedious after a while

I'm waiting til price gets to the magic $300 for premium version (with the big drive). The 360 is nice, but for $400 I could really pimp out my vid card and wouldn't need the 360 itself...unless all game developers drop PC games

Wow those guys at the NY Post had great foresight I bet they jocked the PS3 as a great value

LOL the hot games like 50 cent bulletproof? Ill give em battlefront 2, which is however backwards compatible but seriously, shouldnt someone delete this discussion board for giving off the wrong message to those simply browsing topic ideas? Its like saying, don't buy an ipod! 400 dollars for a music player that only holds 5 gigs! lol a bit outdated

Alright this article is WAY off. I realize that it was written by the Times and I'm not angry at anybody except the original writer; a writer whose literary style is very compelling, but their inferences are very questionable. I'm writing this two years after it was written so I will not adress the time-sensitive claims made in the article.

DON'T BUY THE XBOX 360
By MAXINE SHEN

[you can read the background (first paragraph) and the thesis (second paragraph) on your own and there's nothing I can say about those paragraphs because they are simply setting up the argument that follows. This "argument is what I'll address in bold after each subsequent paragraph.]

Oh, it's an amazing console, don't get us wrong. Plugged into a high-definition television set with a booming sound system, it's amazing, a wonderland of sights and music.
But that's the part of the problem. To get the full Xbox 360 experience, you need to spend hundreds - perhaps thousands - of dollars. All that for a machine that won't play the hot games this season, like Star Wars Battlefront II and 50 Cent: Bulletproof.
My Response: Obviously if you look throughout this article you can see many examples of fancy imagery and loaded language designed to make the claims sound more educated or valuable, but this is a common occurance in media articles and it isn't worth criticizing each specific example...I'll note one here just so readers know what to look for: "wonderland of sights and music"...this doesn't add anything valuable to the argument, but it makes the reader think the writer is credible because they are able to write very well. Secondly I'll point out that the "hot" games that are listed by the writer are really not hot at all. Anyone with a background in gaming would have predicted that '50 cent: bulletproof' would be an enormous failure (which, in retrospect, it was) and 'SWB2' was not a very big game...a good game, but not a 'killer app'. This point alone points out that the writer is NOT QUALIFIED to tell consumers about gaming machines, since he obviously doesn't know much about games.

* Price - The Xbox 360 comes in two versions: the hard drive-less "core" system for $299 and the premium package for $399. But those who buy the lower-cost version are in for a surprise - they won't be able to play any of the Xbox games they already own.
My Response: True, but 'backwards-compatibility' is a very recent thing in the history of video games and is by no means a "make-or-break" for a console. The real fact of the matter is that people who want to play their original xbox games most likely already have an original xbox to play them on and if they really want to play old xbox games on the 360 they'll buy the hard drive.

* Lack of games - Microsoft has announced there will be 200 backwards compatible games (including Forza Motorsport and Halo 2), but only 19 launch titles for the 360. Only a handful are exclusives.
My Response: This sounds fairly convincing alone, but with further research one would find that 19 launch titles is very comparable to the launches of other high profile consoles and rarely does a console release more than one or two exclusives at launch. Playstation 2 (the most popular console in history in terms of sales) launched with 22 titles available, Gamecube had 12 launch titles, the NES which launched in the US and Canada in 1986 had 18 titles available and this was a console in desperate need of games to attract people to the console which was being launched on the heels of the Video Game Market Crash of 1983!
And popular new games, like 50 Cent: Bulletproof and The Warriors won't play on the 360 at all.
Again, these games are not popular and noone with video game knowledge would forsee them as being popular...just look at the metacritic reviews (50 cent:bulletproof got a 47 out of 100).
Douglass Perry, editor in chief of the Xbox channel on IGN, says, "If you can wait, the second wave of games [due next year] are going to give developers the chance to really show us next generation gaming in the truest sense."
This is true. If you don't care about having the system right away or if the launch games don't float your boat then you might want to wait to get the console when something interesting comes along...but this is true of any purchasing decision.
* No competition - Sure, you could rush out and drop hundreds on the 360, but we have no idea what the next-gen PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Revolution are going to be capable of doing. Both of those systems are due next year, and will surely spark a mini price war with the Xbox 360.
I won't argue much over this because noone could have forseen with absolute accuracy how unbelievably poor the PS3 would do in America and how useless the Wii would be to Hardcore gamers (this second part is opinion, but most people would agree that despite the Wii's current sales boom, the system does not cater to "Gamers", but instead branches out to a different audience of casual players...in fact a recent study showed that 67% of Wii owners had not even used their console for weeks or even months! But noone could have forseen this, nor could they have forseen that the 360 price would remain steady for as long as it did.
* Hidden costs - Right now, the Xbox 360's stunning graphics is it's biggest selling point, but to take advantage of it, you'll need to invest in a high-definition TV - tacking on an extra couple hundred bucks, at least.
This is making it sound like HDTV is some crazy thing that nobody owns! A lot of people, even at this time, owned HDTV's and since then the price of these TV's has dropped significantly...from my perspective, yes, the 360 doesn't look very good on standard TV's, but HDTV is a technological evolution just like moving from Cassette Tapes to CDs...if you haven't already YOU NEED TO MAKE THE JUMP!

And if you add peripherals, such as the ability to play games over the Internet, and the Xbox 360 costs nearly $600!
Again this assumes nobody has internet accessories and such...a relevant analogy would be telling people not to buy lightbulbs because of the enormous hidden cost of buying a house! Something doesn't add up there (although I admit my analogy is rather hyperbolic).
* Older consoles are not dead yet - Both the original Xbox and the PS2 are selling for $149, with the GameCube coming in at a mere $99 - in all cases, a complete steal compared to the Xbox 360.
You get what you pay for.
You could take the money you saved and put it towards buying all the systems plus a whole bunch of great games like The Warriors.
This is simply 'opportunity cost' and this sounds rather condescending...we all know that if you spend money on one thing you won't have that money to buy another thing! If I wanted to I could save my money and buy a 300 boxes of rice, but rice isn't a good substitute for a next-gen gaming machine and neither is an outdated gaming machine. A person could save their money and instead of buying an ipod they could buy 10 CD players, but I think you can see why this argument doesn't make sense.
Although he's a firm believer in the Xbox 360, Perry says, "If you buy a PS2 or an Xbox now, you're buying a system at the end of its lifestyle, when some of the best games are showing up."
THIS IS THE MOST RIDICULUS CLAIM I'VE EVER HEARD! NOT EXAGGERATING. Game consoles go through product lifecycles just like everything else and they consist of four stages: introduction, growth, maturity, and decline...now why would a game company release their "best" games in the fourth stage when the console is in its death??? Anyone who has every taken an economics class will tell you that this is complete bull****, and the reality will back-up their objections with data. More DEMAND equals more profit because it raises the equilibrium price of the market in which the product resides. An economics expert would also say that the goal of a seller is to sell their product at the highest possible price and get the most profit from their product. A game console would be a "complementary product" (technical term) for a video game and as the demand for a complementary product (game console) declines, so will the demand for the product in question (game). SO...why would a game designer release a game that they put a lot of man-hours into because they expect will sell well, at a point in which demand for it will be very low? looking back we can see that the PS2 didn't have too many "great" games released after the next-gen market got running, and the original xbox simply died...NOTHING GOOD WAS RELEASED FOR IT AFTER THE 360 LAUNCHED!
This should be a fairly good counter argument to this twisted article.

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Originally posted by Supertrekkie4:
And popular new games, like 50 Cent: Bulletproof and The Warriors won't play on the 360 at all.
Again, these games are not popular and noone with video game knowledge would forsee them as being popular...

Ya know, I'm a Playstation fan, and even I thought these weren't good examples of "hot" games when I first read this! Good arguements there, Supertrekkie4. If I didn't hate the way an X-Box controller is set up, you woulda convinced me to go out and grab one! But I'm so used to a Playstation controller, my nephew kicks my butt everytime we play on his X-Box because my stupid fingers can't hit the right buttons!

"Since then, the Xbox 360 - a sequel to Microsoft's Xbox video-game unit - has been the subject of breathless profiles, splashy television ads and Internet gossip."
And that's where she first shows here idiocy: products do not have sequels, the have successors. A sequel is a work of fiction in literature, film, and other creative works that is produced after a completed work, and is set in the same "universe", but at a later time (thanks, Wiki).

"The first shipments, due Tuesday, are already sold out. Analysts are calling it this year's hot holiday gift. Don't believe the hype - and don't buy the Xbox 360.

Oh, it's an amazing console, don't get us wrong. Plugged into a high-definition television set with a booming sound system, it's amazing, a wonderland of sights and music."

...I thought you were telling us NOT to buy it...

"But that's the part of the problem. To get the full Xbox 360 experience, you need to spend hundreds - perhaps thousands - of dollars. All that for a machine that won't play the hot games this season, like Star Wars Battlefront II and 50 Cent: Bulletproof."
a) No, just a few hundred for the console.
b) She actually thought those games were hot? SWBII was kinda fun, but that's all. 50 Cent: Bulletproof sucked nearly as bad as his "music" (but I digress)
c) Did she not realise that companies actually produce NEW games?

Save your cash, and skip the frenzy. Here are five reasons you should say "game over" to the Xbox 360:

"* Price - The Xbox 360 comes in two versions: the hard drive-less "core" system for $299 and the premium package for $399. But those who buy the lower-cost version are in for a surprise - they won't be able to play any of the Xbox games they already own."

If they already own Xbox games, wouldn't they already own an Xbox?

""A lot of parents who go out and buy the $300 system because they can't afford the $400 system, will have kids who aren't going to able to play Halo or Halo 2 because backwards compatibility is going to be on the hard drive," says Brian D. Crecente, editor of kotaku.com, a gaming news blog."

Again, are they just throwing the old console in the garbage? I mean, I still own my brother's old NES and Sega Master System.

"* Lack of games - Microsoft has announced there will be 200 backwards compatible games (including Forza Motorsport and Halo 2), but only 19 launch titles for the 360. Only a handful are exclusives."

See the above.

"And popular new games, like 50 Cent: Bulletproof and The Warriors won't play on the 360 at all."

HAHA!! They were really trying hard to appeal to the wigger crowd in this article...

"Douglass Perry, editor in chief of the Xbox channel on IGN, says, "If you can wait, the second wave of games [due next year] are going to give developers the chance to really show us next generation gaming in the truest sense.""

And so they did.

"* No competition - Sure, you could rush out and drop hundreds on the 360, but we have no idea what the next-gen PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Revolution are going to be capable of doing. Both of those systems are due next year, and will surely spark a mini price war with the Xbox 360."

The PS launched for the same price as the basic 360. So did the PS2. And the original Xbox. And if you adjust the PSX's price for 10 years of inflation, the 360 probably costs a lot less.

"* Hidden costs - Right now, the Xbox 360's stunning graphics is it's biggest selling point, but to take advantage of it, you'll need to invest in a high-definition TV - tacking on an extra couple hundred bucks, at least."

Not really. My old CRT still looks great with the 360.

""We've all heard Microsoft basically saying that if you want to get an HDTV, the 360 is going to be the thing that makes you go out and get one," Crecente says. "Most of us dismissed that, but I swear, it's like they designed the 360 to make your TV look bad if you don't have HDTV.""

-No, they aren't. Also, how it Brian Crecente a credible source? "A blog writer said it, so it must be true!"

"And if you add peripherals, such as the ability to play games over the Internet, and the Xbox 360 costs nearly $600!"

That's not a peripheral, that's a service.

"* Older consoles are not dead yet - Both the original Xbox and the PS2 are selling for $149, with the GameCube coming in at a mere $99 - in all cases, a complete steal compared to the Xbox 360."

WHAT?! Outdated technology costs less?! I must know more!

Although, a hundred bucks for the Gamecube really tempted me...

"You could take the money you saved and put it towards buying all the systems plus a whole bunch of great games like The Warriors."

...great games? Did you even play The Warriors?

"Although he's a firm believer in the Xbox 360, Perry says, "If you buy a PS2 or an Xbox now, you're buying a system at the end of its lifestyle, when some of the best games are showing up.""

True. RE4 and Shadow of the Colossus were probably the best games for the PS2, and possibly the only ones that might stand the test of time.

The X-Box doesn’t really offer anything to me in terms of games, and personally, I don’t think that Halo 1, 2 or 3 stands up to most PC FPS, but then again that’s just my preference.

Fair enough the X-Box 360 is probably the most powerful console of all at the moment, but I couldn’t really care less about the graphics, honestly, most people probably couldn’t even tell the difference anymore, and most of the games around at the moment don’t even utilize any of the new generation consoles capabilities anyway. These days, most games have pretty damn good graphics, good enough to translate the general idea of the game and its themes, and in my opinion, most consoles only get a handful of exclusive AAA grade games, whilst everything else is whored off onto every console, however the X-Box 360 thus far, doesn’t have anything that caters to my preference, at least nothing that I can’t already get either on my PC, PS or Wii.

I think there is too much enfaces on graphics these days, and the thing that annoys me about the X-Box is that sometimes it seems like all it has really done is inflated that problem through it’s marketing, and created this massive competition between console developers and game developers to rush and churn out half assed games with spectacular visuals but no heart. Apart from being a powerful machine, what break through changes has the X-Box or X-Box 360 really made in the world of gaming? What does it bring to the table that makes it so classic or consequential to have? How many exclusive titles does it get and how many of them are really classic games?

Maybe I’m wrong but it just seems like we would get allot more quality games if PS and X-Box joined forces, at least then we wouldn’t have to waste money buying both just to play 1 or 2 really damn good games.

At least Nintendo develop allot of their own games, allot of which have already stood the test of time and become classic through several generations of gamers. There will always be a market for Nintendo so long as it continues to produce those classic titles.