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Eric, that's why I think if Jack did leave, they would have to bring in someone else.

I'm pretty sure the first lady did put a move on the secret service agent. They just got interrupted when Mike came in. Watch carefully Mark!
 
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I'm pretty sure the first lady did put a move on the secret service agent. They just got interrupted when Mike came in. Watch carefully Mark!


I agree. I definitely think there was something going on there. I think it was more than just Martha trying to sure up an ally.
 
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Yes, it is definitely interesting to see who's gonna bite the dust. My money's on Tony or the Hobbit, though I have been totally in another 24 storyline with the 24 game...it's really absorbing and gives fans the Jack Bauer experience they love...
 
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I think Tony probably does have a pretty good chance of biting the dust, I just hope he doesn't. It seems like the people at CTU in the last couple seasons (Bill, Curtis, Edgar) are pretty dull. In the first couple seasons, they had some pretty interesting characters working there, like Tony, Nina, & George Mason.


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I loved Edgar! Take that back, you bastard!
 
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Next on 24: Everyone dies. Except Mike Novick.


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Hah, Mike = Dick Cheney.

I hope Tony doesn't die like this. I thought he would die more like Sean Astin did--noble to the last.

My favorite line tonight though was Kim's boyfriend: "It's OK, I'm a psychologist." It reminded me of that time in the Simpsons when Homer was teaching at a community college, and he barged through a red light, assuring everyone that "It's OK, I'm a teacher!" Psychology is just so far out of the scope of things-that-matter on 24 that the very mention of "healing" after someone dies is laughable.
 
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Hah, Mike = Dick Cheney.

I hope Tony doesn't die like this. I thought he would die more like Sean Astin did--noble to the last.

My favorite line tonight though was Kim's boyfriend: "It's OK, I'm a psychologist." It reminded me of that time in the Simpsons when Homer was teaching at a community college, and he barged through a red light, assuring everyone that "It's OK, I'm a teacher!" Psychology is just so far out of the scope of things-that-matter on 24 that the very mention of "healing" after someone dies is laughable.


I agree. If Tony is dead, that was a pretty non-eventful way to kill him off. I would've liked a more noble death, like Sean Astin's, or like George Mason's death in season 2.

That psychology thing was indeed one of the lamest moments ever. I kept waiting for someone to beat the living crap out of that guy.


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I think your wish may come true, eric. I have a feeling we have not seen the last of that guy. I'm kind of happy they let Lynn's "Samwise" nature come out at the end. As much as everyone hated him, you couldn't help but feel a little sorry. I'm interested to see what kinds obstacles the new Homeland Security contingent creates.
 
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That psychology thing was just to give Jack an excuse to strangle his daughter's boyfriend.

Psychology doesn't even work that way. You can't just approach somebody in shock due to a stressful situation and 'fix' them by cycling through Stuart Smalley's cliff notes.

I knew Lynn was going to end up having to sacrifice himself the moment he went over how it was his fault the whole thing happened, though.

Heh...THAT'S where I recognized the actor from. Weird. I didn't recognize Xena, Warrior Princess or Ensign Ro on Battlestar Galactica either.
 
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...Ensign Ro on Battlestar Galactica either.


She was also on 24....season 2


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I've held off as long as I can but after watching the last two episodes of this great, fantastic series with Edgar and now Tony being killed off, I am almost ready to give up the series. The problem I have with the script direction is the sacrifice of important characters that the audience has grown to appreciate for the sake of cheap ratings and hooking new audience members. However, by literally devastating the original characters considering the nature of the series - counter terrorism, the message that is being sent out is that ratings, increasing market share is more important that the longevity and security of those anti-terrorist characters and the established television audience who after a while might just stop watching because there won't be any characters left to like nor have confidence in that anyone will be left alive. It's just plain sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice without end. It's like fighting an never-ending war in Iraq without any hope. I surely don't want to watch a series that only portends that eventually everyone of our heros will die and the war will never end. I'm not that masochistic. I'd rather watch the new series "The Unit" on CBS.
 
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I've held off as long as I can but after watching the last two episodes of this great, fantastic series with Edgar and now Tony being killed off, I am almost ready to give up the series. The problem I have with the script direction is the sacrifice of important characters that the audience has grown to appreciate for the sake of cheap ratings and hooking new audience members. However, by literally devastating the original characters considering the nature of the series - counter terrorism, the message that is being sent out is that ratings, increasing market share is more important that the longevity and security of those anti-terrorist characters and the established television audience who after a while might just stop watching because there won't be any characters left to like nor have confidence in that anyone will be left alive. It's just plain sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice without end. It's like fighting an never-ending war in Iraq without any hope. I surely don't want to watch a series that only portends that eventually everyone of our heros will die and the war will never end. I'm not that masochistic. I'd rather watch the new series "The Unit" on CBS.


Haha, are you serious? If you'd been watching 24 since season 1, you would know that Jack and Kim are the only characters to last more than two seasons (except Palmer, but even he's dead now). Everybody else is vulnerable. That lack of predictability is why the show is so fun.

Speaking of the politics of 24, have I posted the Pat Buchanan article that Buchanan wrote a few months ago after the premiere of season five? It is very interesting...what would the ACLU think of Jack Bauer?
 
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I don't agree with Pax on much, but we do agree that 24 is a great show.

I totally agree that 24's willingness to kill off major characters is part of it's charm. It's utterly predictable for the major characters to invulnerable to danger. It'd be like the old Star Trek series -- Kirk, Spock, and some no name guy beam down to the planet. The no name guy dies while Kirk and Spock go unharmed.

Speaking of the politics of 24 Pax...I remember having a conversation with my mom, who is also a 24 fan, about how the show got better after the Patriot Act. In Season 1, there were a couple of times where they were worried about getting warrants and going through proper channels. From Season 2 on, they just do whatever is necessary to catch the bad guys. It's alot more fun.


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I don't agree with Pax on much, but we do agree that 24 is a great show.

I totally agree that 24's willingness to kill off major characters is part of it's charm. It's utterly predictable for the major characters to invulnerable to danger. It'd be like the old Star Trek series -- Kirk, Spock, and some no name guy beam down to the planet. The no name guy dies while Kirk and Spock go unharmed.


I agree with you pax and eric, I love never knowing who may be the next to go. I like knowing that beyond Jack(for now anyway) and Mike Novik(!), no one is safe. I think what might have caught people off gaurd is that the deaths seemed to come in bunches this season. Michelle and Palmer died right away in the first hour, and in the last couple hours Edgar and Tony died. Oh yeah, Lynn died too, but he was only on the show this year. Chloe has been around now for a few seasons, so maybe we should be worried about her. She has already had some close calls.
 
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First off, somebody tell me if I'm wrong, but in the first show this season, Tony should have died. Then, about 12 hours after having some kinda brain surgery, he's seeking his vengeance on Robocop. Confused

On "Star Trek", it's never "some no name guy", it's "Yeoman Johnson" who always bites the dust. Cool


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I like knowing that beyond Jack(for now anyway) and Mike Novik(!), no one is safe.


Aaron, the Secret Service Guy, is also pretty safe. I believe he's been on every season.

What's up with Mike Novick? Is he the go-to guy for Presidents to have in their cabinet? Isn't it a little abnormal for a guy to be Chief of Staff for three consecutive Presidents? And after he betrayed Palmer in Season 2, I'm surprised he wasn't blacklisted in Washington.

And how come the VP is always a power hungry bastard?


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Whoa, I totally don't remember Mike being Palmer's advisor. He works for Logan now, and weren't we supposed to believe that Logan and Palmer are from different political parties? Why would the same guy work for two presidents of different parties?

And Eric, I'm not sure the Patriot Act has anything to do with 24 politics. The point 24 is continually making is that legislation and constitutions really mean nothing when you are trying to capture a terrorist who has information that will lead to saving the lives of thousands of people. It's easy for politicians to talk about how we shouldn't torture, but would they really be saying that if they knew torture would save the lives of so many innocent people? 24 says: no.
 
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Novick's been there all along. I'm assuming the prez in the coma died? I don't think that was ever mentioned before this Nixon-lookin', waffling, SOB-over-his-head-at-least-as-much-as-W-dude has been doing his thing. (I like the character, ya know, it's reality TV Cool)


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Novick's been there all along. I'm assuming the prez in the coma died? I don't think that was ever mentioned before this Nixon-lookin', waffling, SOB-over-his-head-at-least-as-much-as-W-dude has been doing his thing. (I like the character, ya know, it's reality TV Cool)


Regarding the other President, who last season was in a coma due to the AF1 plane crash:

Evidently, he did die, but Fox wouldn't let the show kill off a sitting President. That's according to a Keifer Sutherland interview I saw on Charlie Rose. That seems like something that would've been censored in the 1950's...weird that a network is still uptight about something like that.


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