Personally, I like him. I realize that he may not be exact on all his issues, but all he is trying to do is show the stupidity of Bush and many Americans to America as best he can and as imapacting as he can, you cant blame him for that.

And to add to E.M's post, of course he is going ot make the facts one sided. He was making a political movie, and made his facts political. That is what the presidential candidates did, change the facts to favor them. You cannot criticize him for that.

And did you see the "documentary" that showed Theresa Heinz's family got much of their start-up money from the Nazis? And they supported Apartheid and fought against the Mandella govt? Oh, wait, those may not be 100% true assertions from the "documentarian" in question. But Theresa is a fool anyway, so why should a few facts get in the way of a good "documentary"?

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On an unrelated note, does he keep getting fatter and fatter? I get the feeling if he sat on a thumb tack he would explode. You cant even see his neck anymore.

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Wow...making fun of his weight. Good argument. Hitler was a great man though. Real thin like.

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On an unrelated note, does he keep getting fatter and fatter? I get the feeling if he sat on a thumb tack he would explode. You cant even see his neck anymore.

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Wow...making fun of his weight. Good argument. Hitler was a great man though. Real thin like.

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You're joking right? real thin like....???? maybe im missing something. well, whatever.

I assume that he is joking. He is trying to prove that weight does not say anything about the character of the person by saying that Hitler was thin and Moorre was not. Okay I won't talk about Hitler anymore. LT is this another example of Godwin's Law? I suppose that it may very well be. But Filmore wouldn't do that, so I am guessing it is the former of the two.

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Yes I was trying to point out that, since we haven't picked up the idea from Supersize Me to publicly berate overweight people, it's not cool to make fun of someone for being fat just because you don't like what they do under the same reasoning that I can't assume Hitler was really cool just because he was in shape and wore khakis. Pretty straight-forward, I thought, with the quote there.

Just to clarify, I love Moore and hate what Hitler did (even though he was a vegetarian who never cheated on his wife). I accept the fact that Moore isn't exactly as concrete as...well...concrete but I deeply respect the fact he puts himself out there and really has the true best intentions in mind. Anyone who wants to see him silenced is a nazi with a big secret. Otherwize everyone should respect he's a man trying to selflessly improve the world, whether you agree with him or not, there's no denying he's just trying to help all people the best way he can. (and he's protected by the same rights that protect you) Putting up with him is a very, very small price to pay compared to the price Iraq is and will continue to pay under the guise of the same democrasy.

I think that Moore is an extremely self absorbed individual with an inflated sense of his own self worth, but having said that, I would not like to see him stop doing what he's doing. We need people to stir the pot, even if we don't agree with thier conclusions. Moore has the guts to put himself in the line of fire against some pretty nasty opposition, and for that he has my respect.

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I think that Moore is an extremely self absorbed individual with an inflated sense of his own self worth, but having said that, I would not like to see him stop doing what he's doing. We need people to stir the pot, even if we don't agree with thier conclusions. Moore has the guts to put himself in the line of fire against some pretty nasty opposition, and for that he has my respect.

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Great to hear this from someone who doesnt TOTALLY like him. I mean I cant stand it when people dont appreciate what he does and jump to the conclusion his films are all lies (Yeah Im talking to you, Grandma).

Moore, a man that hasn't had a REAL job in years, succeeds at critiquing others in their job positions. He does it with a sharp eye and continues to bring us the "other opinion." Really though, does anyone else think that the poor lady whos son had died in the the war was an unneeded addition to the film? Micheal Moore cherades as a peoples person, but the fact is that he is more worthless than Paris Hilton. He lacks the knowledge of an everyday life and has no problem torturing a woman whos son has died, to try to prove a point.
This is where me and Micheal have our disagreements. I don't appreciate his one sidedness in 9/11. He pushed people down into pathetic experiments like a scienctific test gone bad. A woman whos son has just died, of course, will be sad she ever let her son go to Iraq. However, does that mean he died for a wrongful cause? Not AT ALL...deliriously he proves his point to the faint hearted that obviously didn't realize that war involved sacrafice.

I don´t know how MM feels about America, but he sure dislikes Americans. And from the tone of this thread it sounds like a discussion between France and Canada! Get a clue folks, or stick to your video games, already.

Sounds like you should take your own advice. Nice way to branch out from posting on the video games thread, come to a controversial area of the movie forums and start trashing people. Get a clue indeed!

In his movies ive seen, he has some interesting ways of tackling an issue, but he is usually way too biased and doesnt look at things from all sides

I'd say yay. I agree with some of the arguments here that Moore's arguments are usually rooted in opinion more than fact, but as a filmmaker it's hard to deny the unique niche he's carved out. Before Moore, most documentaries were of the stuffy Ken Burns variety. Moore has done a great job in bringing humor and hipness to this genre of filmmaking.

By the way, it's not un-American to make films that question the government, or people in power. Though I don't always agree with the guy, he has a right to make whatever statements he wants. That's the beauty of living in this country.