So NO nominations for The Wire or Friday Night Lights - the 2 best shows on TV??? That's just shameful. In fact, in the four seasons that The Wire has been running, that show hasn't garnered a SINGLE nomination.

If you haven't seen the show, Netflix the first disc of season one, watch 2 or 3 episodes, and tell me it's not the best show on TV today.

I don't watch these awards shows like I did when I was a kid - it's all political crap. But for the makers of these worthy programs, they deserve some recognition - if for no other reason than they might be further encouraged to create quality entertainment. I'm just glad that The Wire is on HBO, and they're getting their Season 5 regardless of the ignorance/stupidity/dimness of the emmy voters. Perhaps it's time to give TV critics some voice in this process. The Wire is CLEARLY their favorite show.

I've never understood how any of these award shows decide who who gets nominated. I don't think I've watched an award show since before cable.

I've long since stopped caring about the Emmys, but for The Wire not to be nominated EVER!!!!??$%^#$

What a fucking joke.

I've not watched The Wire, but I understand it's a disgrace that it's never been even looked at.

30 Rock and Sopranos, at least, got some nods. I'm happy about that, and The Office (so popular it could hardly NOT be noticed.) But smaller, better shows like Battlestar Galactica, Rome, and Friday Night Lights definitely got snubbed.

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Originally posted by Chamberk:
But smaller, better shows like Battlestar Galactica

I agree with Battlestar Galactica. That's a phenomenal show that doesn't get near the attention it deserves, presumably because it's on the little watched Sci-Fi channel, where the only other show of interest is X-Files reruns.

Battlestar got shafted too?

Geez, the Emmys are still as bad as I remember them to be...

The Emmys have always sucked. I'm surprised that you're surprised now.

Yeh, the Emmys have indeed sucked since day one, but it is surprising that Galactica got nothing, with its very photogenic cast, and its 'lets kill the terrorist' style storyline.

ah well, back to 'Days of our Lives'..

Okay, I've heard arguements like this before on this forum and elsewhere...actually, it was the Metacritic blurb of calling The Wire "The best show on television".

So, I thought 'okay' - Metacritic tends to have very reasonable suggestions, especially on the forums. And maybe this isn't the place to post this, but I rented the entire first season of the show and, after watching three episodes, can't fathom how this is such a popular show.

The lines from the detectives are ridiculous attempts at neo-noir - I mean really, some dialogue: "And don't forget - he likes there to be little dots" (on the report, said so in a grumpy and gruff voice, complete with eyes glaring). What's the appeal here? Seriously, I don't see it... It's overly cheesy and yet attempts to be edgy by sometimes taking the side of criminals. It's tripe...

And actually it HAS been nominated - 2005 'Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series' - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire_%28TV_series%29#Awards or http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:NuaViQyy5IsJ:www.em...l+&hl=en&lr=&strip=1

the only thing more shameful than the emmys is the grammys. and that's saying something, cos the emmys are disgusting.

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Posted by joewithajay
It's overly cheesy and yet attempts to be edgy by sometimes taking the side of criminals. It's tripe...

You could not be more wrong.

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Originally posted by Joewithajay:
Okay, I've heard arguements like this before on this forum and elsewhere...actually, it was the Metacritic blurb of calling The Wire "The best show on television".

So, I thought 'okay' - Metacritic tends to have very reasonable suggestions, especially on the forums. And maybe this isn't the place to post this, but I rented the entire first season of the show and, after watching three episodes, can't fathom how this is such a popular show.

The lines from the detectives are ridiculous attempts at neo-noir - I mean really, some dialogue: "And don't forget - he likes there to be little dots" (on the report, said so in a grumpy and gruff voice, complete with eyes glaring). What's the appeal here? Seriously, I don't see it... It's overly cheesy and yet attempts to be edgy by sometimes taking the side of criminals. It's tripe...

Amen. I've never understood all of the love for THE WIRE. It's filled with stereotypes -- and bad ones, at that. But I'm the first to say that I only watched half of the first season and turned it off. When something's that bad, I just won't give it a 2nd chance.

Stereotypes by definition lack subtlety and shading of character, existing merely to facilitate broader story concerns.
Formulaic , The Wire most certainly isn't.

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Originally posted by Joewithajay:
Okay, I've heard arguements like this before on this forum and elsewhere...actually, it was the Metacritic blurb of calling The Wire "The best show on television".

So, I thought 'okay' - Metacritic tends to have very reasonable suggestions, especially on the forums. And maybe this isn't the place to post this, but I rented the entire first season of the show and, after watching three episodes, can't fathom how this is such a popular show.

The lines from the detectives are ridiculous attempts at neo-noir - I mean really, some dialogue: "And don't forget - he likes there to be little dots" (on the report, said so in a grumpy and gruff voice, complete with eyes glaring). What's the appeal here? Seriously, I don't see it... It's overly cheesy and yet attempts to be edgy by sometimes taking the side of criminals. It's tripe...
Amen. I've never understood all of the love for THE WIRE. It's filled with stereotypes -- and bad ones, at that. But I'm the first to say that I only watched half of the first season and turned it off. When something's that bad, I just won't give it a 2nd chance.

Come on guys, you should know from watching television shows like Buffy and The Simpson’s that it’s probably not such a good idea to judge the quality of an entire series based on 3 episodes. Seriously, after 3 episodes you can’t tell anything about a show. I’ll admit that the first couple episodes are sort of clunky and some parts are kind of goofy, but you’re missing the meat of the whole show. Particularly Rawls and Burrell seem kind of over the top. As the series progresses they get less and less like one dimensional enemies of efficiency and more and more like believable men who want power and want to succeed and are under pressure to deliver numbers instead of quality arrests. Through 3 episodes I don’t even know if Omar has shown up yet, plus you’re missing out on a whole host of other good stuff that happens during season one. You’ve got at least 5 or 6 major plot lines going at the same time by end of the season that are just developing in the first couple of episodes.

I have never heard anyone call The Wire stereotypical. What’s stereotypical about it exactly? Most of the characters are well drawn and very complex. Even the most of the minor characters have some development.

And the line about the dots on the report I think is taken directly from the book Homicide: Life on the Killing Streets by David Simon. I haven’t read it in a while but Homicide is a well respected and thorough piece about Baltimore homicide detectives. I haven't heard anything saying that it's not accurate or embelished in any way. It’s a quote from an actual police officer, not some ridiculous attempt at neo-noir.

I urge you guys to watch the rest of the season, even if you have to sit through some clunky parts in the first few episodes. It get's much better, trust me.

IG, even though you have a user name to conjure up the worst evils of the nazi regime, you are a far kinder, more empathetic poster than me.

Anyone who dismisses The Wire so easily...hmmmm methinks, so I hope yr easy words encourage others to watch some more of McNulty and the gang.

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Originally posted by Ishmaels coffin:
Stereotypes by definition lack subtlety and shading of character, existing merely to facilitate broader story concerns.
Formulaic , The Wire most certainly isn't.

No, formulaic it is. Read a serious amount of pulp fiction, and you'll find, at least, season 1 to be entirely predictable (or as much as I could stomach).

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Originally posted by willbenjamin:
I urge you guys to watch the rest of the season, even if you have to sit through some clunky parts in the first few episodes. It get's much better, trust me.

But that's the rub: I'm a completist, and I can't dismiss the bad for the good. Apologists and defenders of THE WIRE have been doing it for years (or seasons, if you like), and, if it honestly doesn't hook me from the beginning, I tend to be fickle. It's my fault, not the program's. The program's only fault -- so far as I could see from the first three/four eps -- was that the characters appeared to be stock characters from any handful of gritty films.

Maybe I've seen too many movies; I've also been told that's why I didn't find SKY CAPTAIN absolutely life-changing.

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Posted by Trekscribbler
No, formulaic it is. Read a serious amount of pulp fiction, and you'll find, at least, season 1 to be entirely predictable

It's formulaic only in the broadest terms, in as much as it's about cops and robbers.
But anyway, enough rabbiting on from me.
Last point: I have enjoyed a mountain of crime/pulp fiction myself, and I still find the show quite electrifying.

Ah well, life goes on.

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Posted by Trekscribbler
No, formulaic it is. Read a serious amount of pulp fiction, and you'll find, at least, season 1 to be entirely predictable

It's formulaic only in the broadest terms, in as much as it's about cops and robbers.

To each his own. I see it as a formula, a bad one at that, but I respect anyone's right to disagree.

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But anyway, enough rabbiting on from me.

That's good. I hunt rabbit.

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Last point: I have enjoyed a mountain of crime/pulp fiction myself, and I still find the show quite electrifying.

Read better pulp.

Recommend me something. I may not have read it, and if so, I'll be well pleased!