Sounds like it's time for an agnostic crusade! March in the streets! Chant, "Be Reasonable"!
"If it were beneficial, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect." -Jesus, from the Gospel Of Thomas
I have to agree with Stubb (A Dubb). Just because you don't like someone’s music doesn't make them idiots. It means you don't like their music, plain and simple. If you claim the members of KORN are idiots and unintelligent then I want you to look in a mirror and ask yourself "Am I smart enough to make a double platinum record album?" If your answer is "no", THEN KORN IS SMARTER THAN YOU! So all you Einstein’s who claim to be so much more intelligent then KORN, when is you next album going to be released?
Also, to the guy who started this post. Maynard speaks out against Christianity all the time, in his lyrics and in interviews. With words like 'fuck your lord' in his songs, I doubt he goes to church every Sunday. Who knows, I could wrong.
I think most of us are smart enough to write a double-platinum album. Just, we don't have record industry connections or an attractive enough body to put in music videos. Nor do we have the collateral to tell MTV to use their Carson Daly puppet to tell their legions of drones to like it. (Unless, of course..you consider Britney Spears your intellectual superior.)
But, I don't think that's what Stubb was talking about, Flip, in this thread I started half a year ago. He was talking about not calling somebody stupid because of their tastes in music, not calling the performer stupid.
(And by the way...intelligence is unrelated to musical skill. There are plenty of stupid people out there who produce great music. Or brilliant people who produce bad music.)
Posts: 1783 | Location: Around Boston. | Registered: 24 February 2005
Oh, c'mon Bob, he said "I could wrong"! I think that makes up for his "when is you next album going to be released" comment!
"If it were beneficial, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect." -Jesus, from the Gospel Of Thomas
I really shouldn't do this, I suspect that Mr. Flip is not going to visit us again after his lazy attempt to troll our forum. I think that he may have been mentioning my "I haven't met anybody who listens to 'Korn' with an IQ above 40," granted that was a pretty loose and unneeded comment, it happens to be true in my experience. Korn's whole image was to make fourteen-year old boys feel like they are listening to something that their mothers would dislike. Any one band that classifies themselves as 'Metal' should try to stay clear of MTV, unless, of course, the purpose isn't to be a 'Metal' band at all, just make a quick buck at the expense of Mr. Flip and the millions like him.
I also find it funny his comment 'Korn is smarter than you.' The gramatical error in the statement is that 'Korn' is a band and not an actual being, he probably meant that its members were smarter than me. I dislike his statement about my inability to go 'Double Platinum' makes me somehow less intelligent than a band. It is similar to someone telling me that because I do not make as money as them, they are inherently smarter than those who make less.
This was an utter waste of my time, I have to visit the 'Politics' thread.
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Posts: 3689 | Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha | Registered: 18 October 2004
Lazy attempt to troll your forum, how funny! Next time I make a comment about a band, I'll make sure I spell out that I am talking about the members of the band and not the band as whole so I don't confuse you in the future. Did you really think I was talking about the drums or bass guitar? Also, in my post I never stated that I like KORN. I agree that 'Korn's whole image was to make fourteen-year old boys feel like they are listening to something that their mothers would dislike.' My comment was how can you question anyone’s intelligence by the music they make or listen too? In fact if you actually throw judgment on someone because of the music they listen too or make then you're an ignorant jack off. Someone who chooses to listen to music you don’t like doesn’t make you any smarter or better than them. But if you build yourself up by belittling others, then that’s your prerogative so you go on with your bad self!
Whoo, looks like I'm late to the party. Quite the barrel of laughs.
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Originally posted by Flip: Lazy attempt to troll your forum, how funny! Next time I make a comment about a band, I'll make sure I spell out that I am talking about the members of the band and not the band as whole so I don't confuse you in the future. Did you really think I was talking about the drums or bass guitar? Also, in my post I never stated that I like KORN. I agree that 'Korn's whole image was to make fourteen-year old boys feel like they are listening to something that their mothers would dislike.' My comment was how can you question anyone’s intelligence by the music they make or listen too? In fact if you actually throw judgment on someone because of the music they listen too or make then you're an ignorant jack off. Someone who chooses to listen to music you don’t like doesn’t make you any smarter or better than them. But if you build yourself up by belittling others, then that’s your prerogative so you go on with your bad self!
To start with, I'll point you back to my personal favourite bit of your first post.
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Originally posted by Flip: If you claim the members of KORN are idiots and unintelligent then I want you to look in a mirror and ask yourself "Am I smart enough to make a double platinum record album?" If your answer is "no", THEN KORN IS SMARTER THAN YOU!
No one would say something this blatantly illogical unless they were trying desperately to defend their favourite band. Since when has intelligence ever been a requisite for pop-stardom?
Your second post is somewhat more composed and reasonable (apart from that "ignorant jack off" bit; very classy!). It doesn't make sense to judge people on the music they listen to, but lord, have you seen some of those failures who call themselves Korn fans? If not all of their fans are fourteen-year-old boys who want to "feel like they are listening to something that their mothers would dislike", well, I can only assume that they're somewhere in the 13-15 age range; that's definetly the sort of person the band is trying to appeal to.
And I'm still in hysterics over the closing line of your second post ("go on with your bad self!"). What is it supposed to mean, anyway? It just plainly doesn't make any sense, even at a basic grammatical level.
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Posts: 688 | Location: Adelaide, South Australia | Registered: 01 January 2005
I don't think there's much that needs to be said here, although I would argue that one need not be "smart" by any stretch of the imagination to write a multi-platinum record. Honestly, I'm not even sure one needs to be creative, or artistic, or even an original thinker to do so. If Flip thinks that selling a few million copies of a record makes Korn smarter than someone who does not sell that many copies, then Korn, by his argument, features folks smarter than Stephen Hawking, Albert Einstein, and many others who don't go multiplatinum.
I have no stand on the rest of it...I don't know if the Korn dudes are smart or stupid, nor can I fairly generalize about Korn fans. I do know that many of the people who shopped in my store who liked nu-metal did not appear to me to be the sharpest knives in the drawer, but my interactions with them were limited.
I will now attempt to go on with my bad self. My good self, however, will not do anything.
Posts: 3875 | Location: ATL, GA | Registered: 25 May 2004
Me stating that Korn is smarter than you was purely my attempt for you to look in the mirror and judge your self before you judge others. I assure you I am not a KORN fan and I have NEVER endorsed anything by KORN or have any intention of doing so. I know plenty of intellegent people who enjoy listening to KORN and no, they are not 13-15 year old kids. Also, you have never heard the statement 'go on with your bad self'? I didn't just pull that off the top of my head, it's a pretty common statement. Do I really have to explain what that means to you? And by the way, when did this turn into a basketball game at a grammer school?
Originally posted by Flip: Me stating that Korn is smarter than you was purely my attempt for you to look in the mirror and judge your self before you judge others. I assure you I am not a KORN fan and I have NEVER endorsed anything by KORN or have any intention of doing so. I know plenty of intellegent people who enjoy listening to KORN and no, they are not 13-15 year old kids.
I suppose that "THEN KORN IS SMARTER THAN YOU!" wasn't a terribly presumptous statement, then.
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Also, you have never heard the statement 'go on with your bad self'? I didn't just pull that off the top of my head, it's a pretty common statement. Do I really have to explain what that means to you?
"Go on with you bad self" being a common phrase? In some bizarro-Earth, maybe. I've certainly never heard it before, though I think I get what it means.
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And by the way, when did this turn into a basketball game at a grammer school?
My scoreboard thing was just some pointless way of saying that you haven't come up with anything really worthwhile to say yet, and both of your posts have been rebutted impeccably by us regulars. In hindsight, I'll admit that I'm not sure why I bothered posting it.
Posts: 688 | Location: Adelaide, South Australia | Registered: 01 January 2005
Obviously I had something worth while to say. Otherwise nobody would have responded. And I am sure, being so rightchous as you are, you chalk all of your post as another score for yourself. Keep it up and pat yourself on the back for being judgemental and ignorant! I am sure you listen to music that only super intellegent people listen to, right?!?
Zam people. Who cares if you like Korn or limp bizkit or coldplay? It don't matta. If you're drivin' along in your car and you feel like jammin' to some Korn, jam to some Korn.
Music is to be enjoyed, not sported around like a gucci bag that you want everyone to be envious of. If you likes it, listen to it. And if you feel like sharing your taste with others cool.
I'm not a Korn fan per say. But I do think they have some damn fine jams. They have music you can bang your head to. It's all about what you feel like listening to. Sometimes I likes the Sufjan, sometimes Metallica, sometimes Radiohead. Sometimes, when I'm in traffic and some b!tch in her range rover cuts me off I feel like playing a limb bizkit song or something that exclaims "f#ck You!".
I'm sorry, I may be new, but what the hell planet are you on to think that Tool aren't anti christian?? You obviously have no idea what is christian and what is not. I suggest you do some research on the topic before you talk about it. I think it's awesome that they have found Jesus, but I agree that they don't have to stop playing metal. Look at demon hunter and Zao, they're heavier than both tool and Korn. But well done to them all.
when the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace ~Jimi Hendrix~
Posts: 1 | Location: Dunedin | Registered: 12 March 2006
Ok guys and girls, I've read all of the replies to this thread and I'm going to mix in a little truth to the equation here... If ANYONE rock star or not wants to live for Jesus then at that point they really do have to give them their life. You have to understand, that people don't just decide "Hey I think i'm going to become a christian" No they probably have relatives and friends who have been praying for them to repent (or turn) from their ways to live for the Lord and find TRUE life on Earth and Eternity. This is a higher calling than playing in Rock Bands.. You see the Bible says "No one comes to the father unless he is drawn by the spirit of God" The Lord put a groaning in the guys hearts, and I can assure you that the Lord will put the same desire in their hearts to live a HOLY LIFE.. Not beating around the bush like Carnal Christians wondering all the things they can do and still be a Christian, those people never really found the ABSOLUTE JOY (I'm serious) in living a Holy, pleasing, and blameless life unto the Lord... The God of Jacob (Father or Christ)and Christ himself, both demand that his followers leave their life style and follow them. The aposltes when called by Jesus, "Dropped their nets and followed him at once" Yes, First Faith must take part to drop the net, but you see ... At once the left their life style, they didn't stay in the same place... And to answer the question about weather KORN and TOOL are good bands for Christians to listen to or much less Be in the band itself.. The answer is NO WAY ! I can assure you that God is a extremely HOLY God along with his Son (Jesus) and to be a true follower of him.. You simply do that Follow him. Into the "Path of righteousness" he lays before you.. When someone truly has a grip of the things of God, the type of music which is pleasing to the Lord is pleasing to them as well. I can honestly say that many Christian songs I listen to don't turn the head of God in anyway much less TOOL or KORN... "What fellowship does light have with darkness" the Bible says... We don't do God a favor when we serve him, His feelings don't get hurt when rock bands sing songs against him.. No we do ourselves a favor when we live for him (Sold out for him) He is sitting on the throne of Heaven with his Son at his right side attended by billions of warrior angles, and worshipers, along with the Saved people of history.. He never needed us, we always needed him... Our Lives are but a breath (Here today and gone tomorrow) but he is eternal, Where are the unbelievers of yesterday ??? Where is Hitler today ??? I think we know the answer to that one .... Where is God ?? Still where he was from billions of years ago, and he will still be there after the SUN wears out ... He is the creator of all things, He calls things that are not as though they were.. Trust me, we do ourselves a favor when we submit to him.... The Bible says "The Fear of the Lord is the begining of Wisdom.. I hope you guys can find this "Fear" and pray the Lord gives you the opportunity and draws you to him, so that your Faith can be in the right place.. Once your truly there.. then you will no longer care about Korn, or TOOL.. and you wouldn't think about going to the concerts .. Because YES ... They most certainly are Godless places ... And those of you who can't see that, .. Go ask if you can preach JESUS from the stage and see what they say ..... And don't pull the self righteous thing on me either .. This is very very simple truth from the Bible, not even into the more complex things ...
Seeking him in a secret place.
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Nor do we have the collateral to tell MTV to use their Carson Daly puppet to tell their legions of drones to like it. (Unless, of course..you consider Britney Spears your intellectual superior.)
