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is it possible for an entire genre to just be so overdone that its simply not possible to come up with new riffs?
 
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No.

I'm glad we had this chat.
 
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new riffs aren't a problem - it's something that sounds fresh and new. i find anything new that seems to sound ok - goes south at some point. trivium - they jam - but then there's this whole 'gotta have sme vocals parts that fit with nu-metal' type shit. same with countless others.

it's overkill - everyones too concerned with marketing and image to play their fucking instruments and care less about the rest of the world - that's where metal started.
 
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is it possible for an entire genre to just be so overdone that its simply not possible to come up with new riffs?


Yes, and it is done


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I think of one exception : Pelican


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Heavy metal has been around for thirty years or so. That is a long time for music based on power guitar riffs, two chords and longhaired dudes in 6" heels shouting the lyrics. I love it. For some reason I think that Metal is tough to improve upon its basic qualities. It must be the very nature of the beast. So many of the groups sounded alike to me, but perhaps that could be said of any genre in music. Whatever, Metal enriched the musical scene. Now go find a copy of Poison. cya


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I have a one-word answer:

Mastodon.
 
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Have to admit i have not bought many new metal albums that have been released this year, probably count them on 1 hand with the main ones being Mastodon and Daughters.
Great thing about metal like most genres is that there is endless amounts of older stuff that you can look into, i've been mostly filling out collections this year for metal.
 
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Metal isnt dead......its too good to be dead
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I certainly hope so! Wink


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I agree w/ mastodon (they're killer) and I'd have to say Dimmu Borgir (Classically trained musicians and a very famous opera singer make black metal?! NO WAY! Yes way, and they'll melt your face).
 
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Your 'cred' just went way up Boarder, nobody else here really seems to like black metal, but I love it! Dimmu Borgir, Cannibal Corpse, Cradle of Filth, In Flames, I can't get enought of it!
 
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Haha, I surround myself with all sorts of people and take what I like of what they listen to... I'll admit that my surroundings influence me tremendously.

Thanks.
 
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What about Converge? It's very good agressive metal, fresh an original.
->Try the album "You Fail Me"(2004).
Mastodon does very well in the metal genre, too.

I think it's a bit like rock n' roll: sometimes a new mixture of elements re-model the genre for a while until there's a new one. After all, it's always rock n' roll and it's the same for metal.
 
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The truth is, no music genre really dies; they're always present in underground circles. For example, electro pop isn't as popular as it once was, but it's alive and kickin' in the underground. Besides, metal's appeal is immortal. I mean, who couldn't like loud, angsty music that bugs the neighbors? Wink
 
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Gotta love Boris, Mastodon, Isis, and Sunno)))


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After seeing Mastodon last night, the whole "Is metal dead" thing is totally put to rest. Their may be a whole bunch of crap coming out of the genre but mastodon kicked ass. They were just on key and energetic, having fun. My ears are still ringing...
 
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Don't forget Jesu. Anything Justin broadrick does is pretty awesome. And yeah, metal may have been napping, but bands like Mastodon have kicked it back into coherence.
 
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no. nor is punk.

theres plenty of new good metal all over you just have to do some digging.


 
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Metal is far from dead. At the moment it's doing pretty well sales wise, but the music's getting stale.

Problem is, I haven't heard anything new for ages. Metal hit it's last creative peak in the late 80s/early 90s with the rise of bands like Faith No More, Rage against the machine, Napalm Death, Carcass, Voivod, Ministry, Nine Inch Nails, Godflesh, Fudge Tunnel, Primus, Mr Bungle, Nailbomb, Pantera etc...

Then Nirvana happened and it all went VERY quiet up until about 1998. When nu-metal hit there was an explosion of bands ripping off all the bands I just mentioned. It was really dumb and none of those bands had any longevity apart from stuff like Linkin Park and Lostprophets (who are a bit crap anyway).

99% of the current bands are doing 'metal by numbers'. Sure we've had bands like Mastodon and Dillinger Escape Plan (EARLY stuff), but it's 'not cool' to take risks anymore. Moreover, there are no risks left to take - Once GG Allin has gone on stage with a live bomb strapped to his chest everything afterwards is going to look a bit tame. And he wasn't even metal.

I think metal needs a new direction. There's been thrash metal, hardcore metal, glam metal, nu-metal, rap metal, old skool metal, black metal, death metal etc...

We've even had 'lawnmower metal'

Where else can it go?


None more Black
 
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