Originally posted by Shadrach: I agree with your citic of electronic music Goathouse. I discovered, electronic music back in the days when it was called techno and ruled by The Aphex Twin. I was very disapointed as I started checking out more of the genre though. I think it's just too easy for people to convince themselves they have "written" a song when they throw a 4/4 beat down and then layer on some cheesy samples. I'm sure there is redeemable material out there, I'm just not willing to spend the time looking for it.
You don't find it very ignorant to disregard a genre which you haven't listened to in say... 10 years?
Originally posted by Shadrach: I agree with your citic of electronic music Goathouse. I discovered, electronic music back in the days when it was called techno and ruled by The Aphex Twin. I was very disapointed as I started checking out more of the genre though. I think it's just too easy for people to convince themselves they have "written" a song when they throw a 4/4 beat down and then layer on some cheesy samples. I'm sure there is redeemable material out there, I'm just not willing to spend the time looking for it.
You don't find it very ignorant to disregard a genre which you haven't listened to in say... 10 years?
I'm pretty sure I admitted to being ignorant about the subject. I'm not going to pretend to know something about a genre I really don't care that much about. You know, since I haven't listened to it in say... 10 years.
I think you are maybe confused by the fact that I'm not pretending to know everything about every music related subject? Because that's the kindof jazz that is making me get progressively sick of this place.
I'm not argueing with you of course, or even finger pointing. So don't read me wrong.
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I'm not saying there isn't great electronic music out there. There's a ton of great stuff, some of which I listed my last post. But I dabble in this genre of music myself and I know how hard it is to do it right and how easy it is to do it badly. I don't like this crap that's just beats/synths/vocals or beats/synths without any personality. You need some kind of shtick to make it work. Personality!
Originally posted by goathouse's enlarging prostate: I'm not saying there isn't great electronic music out there. There's a ton of great stuff, some of which I listed my last post. But I dabble in this genre of music myself and I know how hard it is to do it right and how easy it is to do it badly. I don't like this crap that's just beats/synths/vocals or beats/synths without any personality. You need some kind of shtick to make it work. Personality!
Why don't we start with a little more of what you do like and go from there?
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I like The Knife, Junior Boys, Daft Punk, earlier Four Tet, Postal Service, Dan Friel, etc. Those are just the ones off the top of my head. I like a lot of electronic music and especially love when it's effectively integrated into poppier genres as with Animal Collective and Of Montreal, for instance.
Originally posted by Shadrach: I think you are maybe confused by the fact that I'm not pretending to know everything about every music related subject?.
I made a thread today asking someone to help me out with a well known post-punk/industrial band Throbbing Gristle, I also got a rec. from Filmore, and grabbed an album as a result of Goathouse's recent post in Best New music. All in one day and only on this forum.
Your little cheap shot (whether solely directed at me or not) doesn't work when you make yourself look stupid. I ask for help all the time... but I only ask when I feel that person can help me.
Um. Sorry Jackson, I think I said in my earlier post that I wasn't finger pointing and I didn't want you to read me wrong. But you did, and it's no fault of your own.
It is frustrating to have entire genres of music, such as "electronic", that are off limits for anyone to have an opinion on, because people will jump on you as soon as you say something.
Anyway. I'm leaving this conversation to have dinner with my wife, and I will see you all some other time. Have fun.
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I realize you said that but it's awfully hard not to take that as being addressed at least towards me.. or else why feel the need to say it?
Anyways, yeah, a genre is off-limits to talk about if you don't know abything about it. Myself and Twinkie have pretty different taste when it comes to music with electronics but I very much respect his (and Filmore's, And Mike's) opinions of the various electronic genres. I don't respect your opinion because you don't have a valid one... just like I rarely comment on folk/americana, unless an album just really catches me, because I don't know the genres that well. Have you seen me (outside of Dylan who I grew up listening to) trying to make comments on folk music? No. I know where my opinion is valid and where it isn't.
You've got a wife? Shouldn't you be old enough to realize the difference between having a valid opinion (aka one backed up by serious listening?) and just well.. talking out of your ass (I'm not going to bother with Electronic because I don't like Aphex Twins early work! Well, you know what? I find that stuff from the 90s isn't my style... I like some classic but mostly the later 90s/more current stuff... I know this because I took the time to put a little bit of listening into genres which I originally dismissed as "brainless" and "boring").
Originally posted by JGlass: Anyways, yeah, a genre is off-limits to talk about if you don't know abything about it.
That's a bit of a silly statement.
If you search these forums, you'll likely find countless examples of people writing off entire genres or decades of music they aren't that familiar with. Sure it's ridiculous for people to say such things, but probably no more ridiculous than the hundreds of examples of people proclaiming an album that came out last week one of the greatest albums of all time.
The bottom line is this is a forum on the internet, and if we removed every ridiculous post where people make hyperbolic statements, talk about things they don't understand, and are genuinely full of shit, there'd be nothing left. If you find a forum that isn't like this, let me know.
Incidentally, I saw nothing wrong with Shardach's original post. It isn't as if he was claiming to be an authority on electronic music. He clearly states that he isn't. You're the one who overreacted.
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Thank you Eric. And thank you Mr.Glass for not being an outright jerk about things. I respect that you have a lot of authority in a lot areas and that you don't lord yourself over people as if you are some sort of guru. I'm sorry if I came across wrong the first time I replied to you.
I have a lot more I would really like to say, defending my opinions and proving the fact that I really do have quite a bit of experience and knowledge of electronic music, but that would all be very selfish and just lead to this conversation continueing further, and I think we can all agree that the conversation was dumb to begin with.
I'm just here to find good music. So I don't know why I even entered a thread called "Worst Albums of 08".
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Originally posted by goathouse's enlarging prostate: Murder By Death ~ Red of Tooth and Claw
This suxx. Cheesy as hell. Pure C-H-E-E-Z-E.
Avoid, avoid, avoid.
Ya this album was pretty disappointing. Their first LP as Murder by Death (previously called Little Joe Gould),Who Will Survive and What Will Be Left of Them, was pretty great.
Good. Someone agrees that Red of Tooth And Claw is downright stupid. It is. Trust us. Stupider than Forrest. They should be fired from Our Collective Conscious Inc. for this atrocity.
Also, I just listened to "Sleds" from the Pyramids disc. Okay, fine. It's a song, I'll give it that. It has a beginning and an end, and it's not spoken word. It's definately "a song". But... please. What's the point here? Someone?
Originally posted by goathouse's enlarging prostate: Good. Someone agrees that Red of Tooth And Claw is downright stupid. It is. Trust us. Stupider than Forrest. They should be fired from Our Collective Conscious Inc. for this atrocity.
Also, I just listened to "Sleds" from the Pyramids disc. Okay, fine. It's a song, I'll give it that. It has a beginning and an end, and it's not spoken word. It's definately "a song". But... please. What's the point here? Someone?
have you listened to the whole album? i think the song "sleds" is okay as a stand alone song, but the real value in the song is how it fits in context with the rest of the album. a lot of the songs take the ambient, swirl of guitars, floaty vocal approach of "sleds" and then contrast that with darker sounding elements like double bass. eventually you have songs like "hellmonk" which are pretty much relentless. i think listening to that evolution take place is pretty interesting, and makes a song like "sleds" worthwhile when listened to it with the rest of the album.
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Yeah, the songs get more interesting when the drums kick in, but... ach! I'm trying, but how can someone really, uh, like, get into this. For one thing there's virtually no craft here. Just about anybody with a few amps and a drum set could make this. What are the rules? There are no rules? What standard are they trying buck besides basic musicality with the bare concept of "let's make cacophonous music and smear it into semi-oblivion with a hefty glob of reverb."? I mean, I like how purposefully unlistenable it is without resorting to jokes or sheer tastelessness. I bet these guys are pretty cool, but maybe they should try composing something some time. Is this all improvised? It almost sounds improvised. Should I listen to it again?
