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Originally posted by tabuno:
It's difficult to really comment on your opinion since it really most made a statement of belief without any further explanation.

Actually the explanation was right there in the form of a question and a hypothetical analogy for anyone who can read between the lines:

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Originally posted by Alchemy:
but why Topher Grace? What quality about his personality, body profile or voice made them click their fingers and say YES! That boy is the embodiment of Eddie Brock! And while we are at it lets cast Steve Urkil as Blade, or better yet, get Jason Biggs to play Wolverine in the next X-Men movie.

Regardless, I will reiterate it for you more detail: My biggest disappointment was the portrayal of Eddie Brock/Venom, and the reason was the casting for his character because I felt that Topher Grace was not the most suitable choice of actor, since to me he does not come close to being manly enough and doesn’t have the physical or vocal attitude to do justice of Eddie Brock, not that I have any thing against his acting ability.

Maybe the reason why you couldn’t comment on my opinion was due to as you said yourself:

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Originally posted by tabuno:
As I am not really devoted to comics, particularly superhero comics, I don't have much attachment of any of these movies to their source material, no attachment to how they look nor their original charactization so I am not comparing the movie version to anything accept my impression of the movie experience for the first time

I am actually not a devoted comic book fan either, however growing up I did heavily follow Spiderman and X-Men for a period of my childhood and teen years, so you will have to forgive me for having some expectation of a Spiderman film especially one containing Venom.

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Originally posted by tabuno:
Fascinating disappointment on your part since I particularly enjoyed this movie big time. I thought it was one of the best movies of the year. I really enjoyed how Sandman was developed and his role in the movie.

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Originally posted by tabuno:
As such, this movie dealt with some great universal issues that confront the everyday man. Even as a comicbook stereotype, the movie was able to present most of the characters as related to real people caught up in some rather fantastic situations. Most characters were not one or even two dimensional but had an additional bit of depth unusual for most action-thrillers

If you felt that this film dealt with “great universal issues” and was filled with in-depth characters that were well developed thus making it one of the best films of the year by your standards, then that’s great, I’m glad that you feel that you got your money’s worth, but unfortunately I did not feel the same, and my previous stated reason was just one of the many that I felt like mentioning because I have long waited for the appearance of Venom in a Spiderman film.

P.S.

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Originally posted by tabuno:
Spiderman 3 exceeded my expectations and compares well with such classics Jaws (1975) and Titanic(1997) for the best popular audience movie of all time.

I can see why people will love Spiderman 3, even though it disappointed me it’s still a good film, but I wouldn't compare Spiderman 3 to classics like: James Cameron’s Titanic (11 Oscars), or even worse: Steven Spielberg’s Jaws (3 Oscars).

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originally posted by Alchemy:

Regardless, I will reiterate it for you more detail: My biggest disappointment was the portrayal of Eddie Brock/Venom, and the reason was the casting for his character because I felt that Topher Grace was not the most suitable choice of actor, since to me he does not come close to being manly enough and doesn’t have the physical or vocal attitude to do justice of Eddie Brock, not that I have any thing against his acting ability.

It's intriquing how we get impressions in our minds about how certain characters must be like in our imaginations (though it appears you had the help of portrayals of Venom from the comic books you read and poured over). I appreciate your reference to having:

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heavily follow(ed) Spiderman and X-Men for a period of my childhood and teen years, so you will have to forgive me for having some expectation of a Spiderman film especially one containing Venom.

Since I didn't follow either Spiderman or X-Men, when I saw Spiderman 3, what I experienced as Tobey Maguire who was a nerd become a superhero who in many respects isn't much of a superhero in the way of physical or vocal attitdue of a superhero or does he? By some freak accident, a radioactive spider apparently added some physical bulk, improved his eyesight. Whether his vocal delivery changed it's hard to say, perhaps in terms of a more confident delivery now that he is able to hide behind his mask. Even Superman as Clark Kent has an interesting split personality.

Yet when it comes to our villains, it seems that the public prefers them more physical, more menacing, more evil so to speak, creepy and threatening - the Mummy is a good example. When we are children, the horrors of the night loom large and exaggerated. What I found as Venom as comparatively a similar contrast between Tobey Maguire before his transformation so to I experienced an ordinary but somewhat weak everyday character become transformed into something evil which for me made sense.

In real life we have invisible bacteria and infections like rabies, penicillin-resistant strains of bacteria that kill humans. In real life we have seemingly ordinary but quiet students who go around shooting up people at schools. For me, sometimes the greatest horror and fear is that like in INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS OR THE THING (the remake), we can be threatened by the most innocent looking of entities. THE BIRDS and in PSYCHO portray innocence as menacing.

It's unfortunate that your vision of Venom was such that its poor imitation on the big screen spoiled your experience of the movie. I had the same trouble with the updated remake of KING KONG when it came out because I had certain expectations that weren't met. While many people really enjoyed the movie, certain letdowns for me just made the movie a big disappointment.

I actually really like Toby Maguire as Peter Parker since Spiderman has always been a nerdy hero, I think the choice of actor was pretty good, and the first and the second films met my expectations, particularly the first film, However SM3 just left me with an awkward feeling.

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I actually really like Toby Maguire as Peter Parker since Spiderman has always been a nerdy hero, I think the choice of actor was pretty good, and the first and the second films met my expectations, particularly the first film, However SM3 just left me with an awkward feeling.

Call me old fashioned but I like a dump to be as memorable as it is devastating

I really agree with you on your comment about Tobey Maguire.

Peter Parker was a science geek in high school.

Tobey was a good fit.

I haven't seen Spiderman3 but I am excited now that it is out on DvD. I do expect to be highly disappointed but still excited anyway.

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Originally posted by graymouser:
Peter Parker was a science geek in high school.

Tobey was a good fit.

Yeah, I actually thought they did a very good job casting the movies. The only real problems I had were Mary Jane and Eddie Brock. Kirsten Dunst wasn't beautiful enough to play M.J., in my opinion, but I did get used to her in the role. However, I was never really happy with Topher Grace getting the Brock role. He's waaaaay to small for the part. At the same time, I suppose it is a tad more realistic to have a skinny little geek be a photographer than a dude the size of a football player!

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I do expect to be highly disappointed but still excited anyway.

Then you should get exactly what ya want ! I did have a good time during the action scenes, it was just some of the character development that was the most disappointing. They coulda done so much more with what they had!

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Originally posted by Monkey_Boy:
The only real problems I had were Mary Jane and Eddie Brock. Kirsten Dunst wasn't beautiful enough to play M.J., in my opinion,

Yeah… I agree with you about Kirstin Dunst, check below, enough said

http://www.wildbluffmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/0...ten_dunst_cut_01.jpg

Let us talk alternatives!

Now THIS is the Mary Jane Watson I would have gone for

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/36/89552892_5d7aa7ba5a.jpg

She’s young, gorgeous, but above all else, she is not intimidating, she’s kinda got that ‘girl next door’ look about her, if you know what I mean.

Here’s the Eddie Brock of my choice.

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/xp/premiere_photo/2...906/10/385035406.jpg

If he had put on a real ‘New York’n axcent ya know?’, or maybe not so full on, I don’t know… I always imagine Eddie Brock as portrayed in the 90’s animated series of Spiderman.

Fantastic choice for Brock! Scarlett Johansson ain't a bad choice. I'd just want a natural redhead so it wouldn't look strange to see them with it. (It took me quite a few viewings of "Spider-Man" before I finally got used to a redheaded Kirsten Dunst!) I just can't think of any naturally redheaded celebs that would look good in the role right now.

Who do you think should play Carnage in the 4th? We need a very skinny guy (possibly redheaded, but he doesn't GOTTA be) who could pull of being an insane serial killer. If Raimi stays on, I could see Seth Green in the role. He could fit in Raimi's version of "Spider-Man". Ya know, since he made Eddie a young dude, he could easily make Cletus a young one. Just smack on some make-up to make him look darker and more demented! Of course, he couldn't be playful in the fun sense, he'd have to pull off being able to be sadistically funny! If you've seen any of 'Robot Chicken', you know he can pull that off without a hitch.

Rented Spiderman 3 dvd over the weekend and it wasn't as bad this time round. Still wish they'd cut at least one villain out of the story .

So, Carnage and Lizard in the 4th? Hope they don't kill off Gwen Stacy (killing off MJ would be more to my liking) or worse, bring in Gwen clones. And when is Black Cat coming in? I saw Felicia Hardy listed in the credits of the 2nd film but not a clue as to where she showed up.

Yes. I was utterly disappointed with the movie. Worst part was when Peter was dancing. I'm not a big fan of Kirsten Dunst as MJ either. MJ was supposed to be a supermodel, or at least to my recollection she was, and Kirsten doesn't pull that off, nor can she.

I'd like to see Black Cat too. And Lizard finally. They keep Conners in their but no Lizard. Weird.

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Rented Spiderman 3 dvd over the weekend and it wasn't as bad this time round. Still wish they'd cut at least one villain out of the story .

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I would have liked to have more focus on fewer characters so we could get more indepth and repeated interaction making the movie much more personal instead of hodge-podging around.

well i think venom should not have had the lines and the long tounge was what made him soo cool and his voice but they changed it in the movie

Why does everyone hate on Spidey 3? I thought it was a total blast, one of the few superhero movies where I didn't feel like the director was a complete slave to the source material. He simply kicked back and made a cheesy, hilarious movie that I really enjoyed.

I liked Spider-Man 3 enough to give it a 3/5, but I will agree that when Peter Parker fancies himself Frank Sinatra, it's pretty tough to take. Even so, I didn't think it ruined the movie, since there were plenty of things going on throughout.

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Why does everyone hate on Spidey 3? I thought it was a total blast, one of the few superhero movies where I didn't feel like the director was a complete slave to the source material. He simply kicked back and made a cheesy, hilarious movie that I really enjoyed.

Spiderman 3 at this point is close to making my top ten list for 2007.

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Originally posted by mark f humbug:
I liked Spider-Man 3 enough to give it a 3/5, but I will agree that when Peter Parker fancies himself Frank Sinatra, it's pretty tough to take. Even so, I didn't think it ruined the movie, since there were plenty of things going on throughout.

Yeah, the scenes where peter was strutting his stuff, eyeing and pointing at woman on the street with cheesy gestures put me off. In my opinion, this review (by Sandie Angulo Chen) said it best:

http://www.commonsensemedia.org/movie-reviews/Spider-Man-3.html

“Peter, overcome with his own ego, attempts to strut around like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever. Then there's the unintentionally hilarious musical number in which Peter sings, plays piano, and dances with his smitten classmate Gwen (Bryce Dallas Howard) to make MJ jealous.”

I dunno, Alchemy. I think the musical number and the strutting were supposed to be funny, but they weren't. Those are the parts I hate MOST in the film... and I liked the movie! At the same time, it fit the style the movies were done in. It's not like the way the "X-Men" movies did, with a completely different look and feel in the third. Even if it woulda been sooooo much better to have him have been TRULY EVIL! Ya know, instead of a goofball who THOUGHT he was bad.

It probably was intended to be comic relief, I just liked the comparison that the reviewer made to Saturday Night Fever, because I remembered thinking that when I was watching SM 3 at the movies.

How the hell do you guys change your user names? I was thinking… What’s this Round John Vershun guy doing with Monkey_Boy’s tag?!

Busted, Again!

I don't know, Monks, maybe you should start listening to Radiohead!

There we go...