I don't know what happened to Chappelle for sure, but i don't think it was drugs. I think he was just burned out, his output there for a few years was unparalleled, during the making of his new season he saw that the material wasn't good enough for his standards. So he stopped and quit rather than people saying that he sucked now and had lost it. As far as going to africa for drugs i don't know about that either, but i do know after that he was living in Ohio and was doing a few gigs in my area (northern KY), I found out too late to go to any, but heard it was nearly impossible to get in anyway.

This is some funny Dane Cook;

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2TT6B9RvcF0&feature=related

I am dumber for watching that. I would rather have a bone marrow transplant than ever see him again.............

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Originally posted by jlmace:
I am dumber for watching that. I would rather have a bone marrow transplant than ever see him again.............

Hey, you stole a joke from Adam Sandler-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDKcX0Ji90

And I think the accusations against Dane Cook are really weak. So two different comics made jokes about their assholes. How many comics have joked about their assholes? Dozens, hundreds. So 2 different comics joked about what they will name their children, or watching a car accident, big deal.

Richard Pryor joked about substance abuse. Does that mean that every comic after him that joked about substance abuse is a thief? Get real people.

Like I said earlier, all humor (and music for that matter) is essentially derivative. I am not knocking him for that. It's just that he isn't funny. Or perhaps on another point, there are a lot of absolutely great comics out there, and this clown is selling out arenas.

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Originally posted by jlmace:
Like I said earlier, all humor (and music for that matter) is essentially derivative. I am not knocking him for that. It's just that he isn't funny. Or perhaps on another point, there are a lot of absolutely great comics out there, and this clown is selling out arenas.

Dane Cook is the Eddie Murphy of this generation, plain and simple. I listened to Raw recently. It wasn't that funny. Maybe because jokes about fucking, and orgasms, and itchy assholes aren't my cup of tea anymore.

Dane Cook has some funny insights into relationships and a pretty keen eye on the biggest joke of our time; celebrity lifestyles. He knows how to make fun of people.

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Originally posted by jlmace:
Like I said earlier, all humor (and music for that matter) is essentially derivative. I am not knocking him for that. It's just that he isn't funny. Or perhaps on another point, there are a lot of absolutely great comics out there, and this clown is selling out arenas.

Dane Cook is the Eddie Murphy of this generation, plain and simple. I listened to Raw recently. It wasn't that funny. Maybe because jokes about fucking, and orgasms, and itchy assholes aren't my cup of tea anymore.

Dane Cook has some funny insights into relationships and a pretty keen eye on the biggest joke of our time; celebrity lifestyles. He knows how to make fun of people.

Hudson, you can't really believe all that you type (I hope), it seems you just like stirring up the pot or playing Devil's advocate. Comparing Murphy to Cook is just plain disrespectful to a legend. If you genuinely dislike Raw than I am not sure what to tell you.

Re: Celebrity jokes, they are lowest common denominator type jokes against people who are extremely easy targets. It's obvious that the guy took C.K.'s jokes, it's also obvious that he is a douchebag that takes jokes but goes after people for supposedly taking his (hence, making him a douche). If I want the obnoxious fratboy character, I'll visit a frathouse, and then kick his ass for annoying me.

To each his own. If he makes you laugh, that's cool. I am sure some of the dumb stuff that I find funny (Reno 911, Bobby Slayton, Jake Johansen, Dog Bites Man, Extras, et. al)is pretty lame as in the eyes of some as well.

I agree with you that "Raw" is not only dated, but perhaps not even that funny to begin with.

p.s. You are not Dane Cook are you?

Oh get off it Mike. Eddie Murphy was funny for the youngins. A legend, sure, why not. But his humor was anything but intelligent. Eddie Murphy's comedy was fart jokes, fuck jokes, and fat jokes. He was your generation's Dane Cook. Get off your high horse, Dane Cook does what Eddie did; he makes the kids laugh.

I remember the first time I heard Eddie Murphy. It was, by far, the funniest shit i'd ever heard. I was 13 years old. I laughed and laughed. For that, Eddie Murphy is a legend in my own mind. He was the first comedian who really made me laugh.

And this whole joke stealing thing is just bullshit. I've seen the jokes in question and it's bullshit.

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Originally posted by jlmace:
I am dumber for watching that. I would rather have a bone marrow transplant than ever see him again.............

Hey, you stole a joke from Adam Sandler-

Hey, he's not charging people $20 to hear it.

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Originally posted by hudson:
And I think the accusations against Dane Cook are really weak. So two different comics made jokes about their assholes. How many comics have joked about their assholes? Dozens, hundreds.

Yeah, but dozens, hundreds of comedians are all complaining (with proof) that Cook stole their material. This is just one joke, which happens to be stolen word for word.

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Originally posted by mymindsblank:
I don't know what happened to Chappelle for sure, but i don't think it was drugs. I think he was just burned out, his output there for a few years was unparalleled, during the making of his new season he saw that the material wasn't good enough for his standards. So he stopped and quit rather than people saying that he sucked now and had lost it. As far as going to africa for drugs i don't know about that either, but i do know after that he was living in Ohio and was doing a few gigs in my area (northern KY), I found out too late to go to any, but heard it was nearly impossible to get in anyway.

I remember watching a Dave Chappelle interview on CNN (probably Larry King) shortly after he supposedly went 'crazy' and I gained a whole new level of respect for the guy. He really explained his position rationally and came off as a sort of anti-hero protagonist. Instead of letting Hollywood and external pressures dictate and control his life he wanted to step back and regain composure, something I don't think hardly ANY celebrity could do - most would give in and be consumed by greed and the necessity of fame. Maybe it was selfish, but it was good to see someone in show business have POSITIVE self concern - not for their media construed image but for what they were doing and where they wanted to be.

Also, it was mentioned (maybe not in the interview) that he thought the humor might be reinforcing stereotypes more than making a parody of them, and so dissatisfaction with the direction of material under his name was part of the reason he 'disappeared'. I think it's bull shit that there had to be rumors of some sort of alterior sinister motive too explain Chapel quitting his show. Do you think you'd ever see Dane Cook or Carlos Mencia do the same thing?

Personally, I enjoyed the Chapel show and a lot of his stand-up, but I think his meteoric rise in hype was out-pacing the Chapel Shows talent. Hardly anyone in comedy can really consistently dominate with such a universal appeal for that long without experiencing some ups and downs or morphing to absurd mediocrity.

A gift...

Getting back to my extremely limited exposure to this "clown", ergo baseball playoffs (am I the only one here who found these bits absolutely repugnant?), what I observed was essentially a one-dimensional caricature beginning and ending on the same shrill note.

I can't speak to his so-called joke telling abilities or the quality of his material (whether pilfered or not), but I will say that I found him utterly lacking in charm or charisma, and most likely, talent. A gifted comedian should be able to evoke laughter through physicality alone. I don't need to hear this guy tell jokes to know I won't find him funny.

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Originally posted by /\/\1X3:
It's obvious that the guy took C.K.'s jokes, it's also obvious that he is a douchebag that takes jokes but goes after people for supposedly taking his (hence, making him a douche). If I want the obnoxious fratboy character, I'll visit a frathouse, and then kick his ass for annoying me.

If that’s true then he is a douche, unless it’s part of his act, regardless I find some of his stand up hilarious, particularly the jokes about making people remember you, essentially it was childish but still funny, I also loved that speak and spell joke.

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Getting back to my extremely limited exposure to this "clown", ergo baseball playoffs (am I the only one here who found these bits absolutely repugnant?)

No, you're not. I sort of gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time around, because he was talking about Boston (his hometown) but after he kept doing it in a non-Boston related way, I decided he was a shill. Also, pretty much every movie he's in, none of them are even like interesting failures that just couldn't pull of their ideas or anything, they're just bottom of the barrel bullshit, plain and simple. But I could forgive all that if I thought he meant well and was just untalented, but I've heard reports of his douchebaggery going outside whether he steals or not or whether others steal from him or not, you can kind of tell from every aspect of the guy (if anyone saw his Tourgasm, which is easily the worst original show I've ever seen on HBO, you know what I'm talking about.) And maybe the worst of all, I told a friend who likes him "You know Dane Cook steals material", my friend replied "everybody steals material" and that really offended me (in a way.) Joe Rogan says if a riff is stolen in a song that shit is in the news constantly, but Dane/"Carlos" get away with intellectual property theft because comedy isn't respected in this country and other comedians aren't vocal enough, so people like my friend thinks it's no big deal.

I guess it depends on the degree of which the material is stolen, I find that allot of comedy is great because of the way the comedian delivers the joke, a good comedian, (in my opinion) will do it with an unmistakable sense of style, whether or not you like that style or even regard it as style is totally your opinion.

In a world where you want to entertain the masses, how varied can you really be to appeal to every one? Basically what I mean is how many topics can you really take as your own original work which hasn’t at some point already been used by someone else?

It’s actually very similar to music because it’s not often you hear music that’s 100% original, there is usually some aspect of the song that is derivative from something else, whether its something as simple as a time signature. It’s pretty hard to define where the line is, because at which point are you stealing the music? I don’t know if you can own the right to use certain time signatures, chord structures or even some melodies, unless maybe if it took up 100% of the song, meaning for example there would have to be no vocals, no drums, just the one guitar strumming chords, and even then I think it would be hard to say: (No one can ever use this chord arrangement in any way with anything else). It’s likely even if you did do that, someone else before you probably would have already created it or at least something very similar. In general what makes something distinct is the entire arrangement of all material, so in saying that, unless Dane Cook walks out on a stage and completely replicates someone else’s comedy act word for word, I don’t think there is anything that could be done about it, but don’t get me wrong, that still doesn’t make it right if he is taking peoples material.

I don’t know how it works for comedy or music in the states, but for music in Australia, the moment you create something; it’s instantly copywrited to you so long as you can maintain sufficient evidence that you created it at that particular time. I’m sure Comedians would keep recordings of their jokes; I guess that would have to count as some form of hard evidence.

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Originally posted by mymindsblank:
I don't know what happened to Chappelle for sure, but i don't think it was drugs. I think he was just burned out, his output there for a few years was unparalleled, during the making of his new season he saw that the material wasn't good enough for his standards. So he stopped and quit rather than people saying that he sucked now and had lost it. As far as going to africa for drugs i don't know about that either, but i do know after that he was living in Ohio and was doing a few gigs in my area (northern KY), I found out too late to go to any, but heard it was nearly impossible to get in anyway.

I remember watching a Dave Chappelle interview on CNN (probably Larry King) shortly after he supposedly went 'crazy' and I gained a whole new level of respect for the guy. He really explained his position rationally and came off as a sort of anti-hero protagonist. Instead of letting Hollywood and external pressures dictate and control his life he wanted to step back and regain composure, something I don't think hardly ANY celebrity could do - most would give in and be consumed by greed and the necessity of fame. Maybe it was selfish, but it was good to see someone in show business have POSITIVE self concern - not for their media construed image but for what they were doing and where they wanted to be.

Also, it was mentioned (maybe not in the interview) that he thought the humor might be reinforcing stereotypes more than making a parody of them, and so dissatisfaction with the direction of material under his name was part of the reason he 'disappeared'. I think it's bull shit that there had to be rumors of some sort of alterior sinister motive too explain Chapel quitting his show. Do you think you'd ever see Dane Cook or Carlos Mencia do the same thing?

Personally, I enjoyed the Chapel show and a lot of his stand-up, but I think his meteoric rise in hype was out-pacing the Chapel Shows talent. Hardly anyone in comedy can really consistently dominate with such a universal appeal for that long without experiencing some ups and downs or morphing to absurd mediocrity.

Thanks a lot for the post. Your sentiments are insightful and I agree with them completely.

I haven't checked the videos posted in here, but has anybody heard that song Dane Cook put out? Its called "forward" and its soft-emo and maybe the worst thing since Eddie Murphy put out "party all the time".

I can't find the official video, if there is one but best week ever has a short version of the song here

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Originally posted by Filmore Mescalito Holmes:
Watch This Video

About this video, arguments can be made that the itchy asshole and naming kids bits are observational and basically fair game. Those two things happen a lot too all of us. However, that "guy on a bike" thing was too much of a unique personal experience and waaaaaaaaaaay too the same to not have been ripped off, especially since Dane had a 4 year window to hear the joke and co-opt it.

BTW, just listened to Patton Oswalt's Werewolves album... FnCKING AWESOME!!!! He destroys Cook horribly start to finish. Love Dave Chappelle too, and I deeply respect the way he handles himself. Seriously, how many people do you know who wouldn't rape their mother's for 50 mill, let alone do a successful TV show just so happened to be selling out your culture and human relationships. He threw a free block party with the reunited Fugees, for gawd's sake! What more do you need?

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Originally posted by mymindsblank:
has anybody heard that song Dane Cook put out? Its called "forward" and its soft-emo and maybe the worst thing since Eddie Murphy put out "party all the time".

I can't find the official video, if there is one but best week ever has a short version of the song here

Man... that's even funnier then how my friend got hit in the balls with a loose shower knob that springed off while he was trying to turn it.