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Jimi Hendrix for sure
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Like eric said, it's total 2PacSploitation. It's very likely that he wouldn't have been interested in working with the artists involved in some of the posthumous releases, were he alive. J Dilla (32 years) B.I.G. (24 years) Aaliyah (22 years) Left Eye (30 years) _______________________ Caligo non est aeterna. |
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Rick Nelson
"give me ambiguity or give me something else." |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
First of all, thanks for the information leland. It is truly helpful to understand what Elliott Smith may have actually wanted his last album to sound like. It is also still one of my favorites of 2004. Now down to business.
Sure, many detractors will angrily respond but this aforementioned statement is one of the most fallacious, incendiary, asinine and mindless things I have read in a long time. So you love Buckley and Smith--that's fine and dandy--but keep your blasphemed statements to yourself. If you were joking that might make it a little less callous and caustic but even at that, I don't think someone should say those kind of things, even in a playful manner. Many people will probably get upset that I blatantly stated how I am against that but boy did that hit a nerve... ----- If you don't love me, I'm sorry. |
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What upset you more, the fact I said I'd rather Johnny Borrell was dead than Elliot Smith, or the fact that I suggested God was not real?
If it's the former, then I apologise. Obviously I don't really want to see Borrell dead, as much as I dislike him and his music. I can see why that might cause offense. If it's the latter, I couldn't really care less. I'll apologise only for the fact that I brought religion into a music forum. I didn't intend to suggest I had definitive proof. I should have known better than to use the G word. Won't happen again. I wonder though if I'd have reacted with such fury if someone had suggested that the music of Elliot Smith and Jeff Buckley was PROOF of God. "I know that human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully" |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
As much as I want to comment on that last statement—for the better of the forum (this is a music forum)—I won’t. I will admit though that it amazes me how someone could be so brazen and barefaced when they do mention religion. I find your apology apathetic because you should have apologized for upsetting someone with your defiant attitude towards God, and not because you brought up religion and should have known better. But whatever, I guess you can have your own beliefs and reasons for your way of thinking; however it would be constructive of you to use some caution, discretion and restraint before you say something like that again. By the way, if you haven’t figured it out, I was more disturbed with your preposterous comment about God. ----- If you don't love me, I'm sorry. |
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Interesting. I was more put off about the comment about wishing that someone would die than the comment about God. I think that, in times of grief, it is natural to question the existence of God. To me, one of the greatest gifts that God has given us is free will, and what better expression of that could there be than our ability to question God him/herself. By the way, I think even K-Fed's music is proof of God. Maybe even proof that God has a sense of humor. ________________ Fighting for peace, that's like screaming for quiet. "Mission Accomplished (Because You Gotta Have Faith)" - Todd Snider Peace Queer |
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Shannon Hoon
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To throw in a little comment here, I hardly think every atheist should woddle around apologizing for their horid horid views that God doesn't exist. Seriously, by that argument I should be offended that you offend MY views by saying I need to apologize. Can you quit the double standards? Guess what, if you continue to read internet forums, eventually something is going to offend you. It's called free-speech, and I wouldn't want to live without it. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
What double standard? I never said that without God we wouldn't be here or wouldn't have music to listen to, or anything like that for that matter. My point was that if you have a "horid horid view" just keep it to yourself. I don't come in here saying things like "everyone should believe in God" or "this is proof that God exists" or even mention God at all because I do know that some people won't like it. Guess what, I know that some stuff on internet forums are going to offend me, but just like you "wouldn't want to live without" freedom of speech, I have a right to exercise it when I see or read something I don't like. ----- If you don't love me, I'm sorry. |
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Eh, as much as I usually try to give FKA the benefit of the doubt I think this is pushing it. Even if Borachon is in fact an atheist/agnostic, I doubt his comment was meant to offend -- try not to take it too seriously folks. We're not here to offend each other but some relatively raunchy stuff is going to get posted and all we can do is hope that one of us doesn't go off in a huff and crash the party (and that the rest of us don't follow his example -- do try to lighten up guys
 ).To get back to the actual topic, which surprisingly does not mention the existence or non-existence of God, I think Frank Zappa died way too early. Even if he did release ~60 CDs.  |
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Ok, I now understand what offended you. It wasn't the fact that I made a derogatory comment about Johnny Borrell. In fact it wasn't anything specific I said. You were offended by the fact that I don't believe in God. Now that's a different matter, and you're correct, I am apathetic towards that. It never ceases to amaze me the intolerance some believers have towards doubters. That paradox has always puzzled me. Surely by definition, believers in God should be more tolerant and more understanding towards others. Another paradox is your view of free speech, and the fact that you feel you but at the same time feel that I should use
So freedom of speech only works if it includes something you believe? Hmm. Going back to your original attack on me, you accused me of blasphemy. Unfortunately, blasphemy as a concept can only exist if it's an irrefutable fact that God exists. If God doesn't exist, I can't possibly blaspheme, and the one and only fact, is that neither you nor I know for a fact whether there is or is not a God. It boils down to opinion. Joe's right, I'm sick of tip-toeing around, just in case someone can't believe I have a "brazen and barefaced" disbelief in their deity. Nor do I expect you to tip-toe around. Your belief doesn't offend me in the way my lack of belief offends you. I made a throw away comment. I didn't burn an effigy of Jesus. Perhaps you need to chill-out a bit and lose the piety. Not every comment about God is a direct assault on your faith. I do apologise for unwittingly instigating this religious debate. I'd far rather be discussing music. "I know that human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully" |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I am tired of talking about this, obviously no one else really cares, and it’s just you and I arguing and people pointing out that we should chill out. To squash this, we are both entitled to our opinions. I don't like yours, you don’t like mine. That doesn't mean that I am putting a new spin on what free speech is, that means that I didn't like what you said and requested that in the future you re-think it—if you don’t, oh well. By the way, your definition of blasphemy is appallingly wrong. I double-checked it and it means: "a: the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God b: the act of claiming the attributes of deity 2: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable" (Merriam-Webster Online) --which is exactly and entirely what you did. And finally, I would much rather be talking about music also—that is what this forum is for—you are the one that first mentioned God anyways—and even Dork succinctly stated that this thread "surprisingly does not mention the existence or non-existence of God." ----- If you don't love me, I'm sorry. |
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I've already apologised twice for unwittingly sparking religious debate in a music forum. I'm happy to leave it there.
To steer the thread back on to topic, I'd like to mention Laura Nyro, ODB, and Dennis Wilson. Particularly Dennis Wilson in fact. Who'd have thought that until Brian released Smile, Dennis would be responsible for the best solo project from any of The Beach Boys. I love Pacific Ocean Blue. Such a beautiful, peaceful album. "I know that human beings and fish can co-exist peacefully" |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Did anybody miss this?
Remember the word friendly. Maybe this can be moved over there, or anybody who cares can post something positive over there. I just want to remind everybody that anything you say in this free-speech forum may rub someone the wrong way. Just try to be mature about the debate, and try to keep it in the proper thread. God or Big Bang Bless. "Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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leland - thanks for the link to Elliott's Basement demos. I was listening to them today, and I was blown away. The sound quality on the demos is comparable to his earlier recordings, so it really took me back to that period. Now I understand what you meant about Basement. It was a great album, but it wasn't quite Elliott.
I felt blessed to have found these recordings, and saddened that I will probably never get any more new Elliott recordings. ________________ Fighting for peace, that's like screaming for quiet. "Mission Accomplished (Because You Gotta Have Faith)" - Todd Snider Peace Queer |
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yo! - back on track - Gram Parsons died way too young. CHeck out his music with Emmylou Harris way back when we were young and some of you were just a twinkle.
"give me ambiguity or give me something else." |
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Sid Vicious
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I love Sid, mainly because he never got enough love, and neither did Nancy. They were a perfect Death Fit, since they only seemed to find love from each other, at least when they weren't continuing their death rattles, which they were obviously successful at. On the other hand, Alex Cox's Sid and Nancy is more of a work of art than Sid ever achieved. So, I'll bless Sid & Nancy because Alex, Gary and Chloe invested so much love in them. The ending is really quite affecting. It's probably the most upbeat ending I've seen in such a downbeat flick.
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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