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That was basically it, sorry to say.
Except that I played in a semi-regular touch football game with Peter Searcy, ex-Squirrel Bait guitarist and solo artist. He's a really cool guy!
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maynard james keenan, good in tool, but especially good in a perfect circle because his vocals are just all over the place, from an almost whisper to a growl to all-out yelling. elton john is one of the greatest singers of all time, and frank sinatra also.
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Classic Vocalist: Brian Wilson (youthful falsetto)
Contemporary Vocalists: Norman Blake, Gerry Love and Raymond McGinley (Teenage Fanclub)
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned Nick Drake. His voice on the entire Pink Moon album is just haunting.
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For pure vocal talent, Jeff Buckley easily takes the cake, his range and breath control were incredible. He was truly the music's greatest loss in the last 20 years. I've always liked Chris Cornell as a great rock and roll singer, he has the perfect voice rock a rock band. I'm actually hard pressed to think of a femal vocalist I really like. I mean, on the whole, women have nicer voices than men, so I guess none really stand out for me in the way Buckley's does.
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I've never heard Jeff Buckley, but I'm curious: how did he die and how old was he?
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quote: Originally posted by RavingLunatic: I've never heard Jeff Buckley, but I'm curious: how did he die and how old was he?
He drowned in his late 20s, I think. Here's a concise list: Jeff Buckley (an obvious choice, but a fair one) Rivers Cuomo (of Weezer) Thom Yorke (of Radiohead) Ian Curtis (of Joy Division) Wayne Coyne (of the Flaming Lips) Stephen Malkmus (of Pavement) Ol' Dirty Bastard (of Wu-Tang Clan; I thought that the list needed at least one rapper, and ODB had perhaps the most distinctive and compelling voice in the genre)
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quote: Originally posted by RavingLunatic: I've never heard Jeff Buckley, but I'm curious: how did he die and how old was he?
If you haven't heard of Jeff Buckley you should check out his stuff immediately...as dano said, he was easily one of the best vocalists in the past 20 years. He only realeased one proper album, "Grace", which is very good, but they also released a half finished album and some demos called "Sketches for my Sweetheart the Drunk" after his death, which also contains some awesome work, especially the song "The Sky is a Landfill". To add to Jeff's bio, he was the son of 60's folk singer Tim Buckley (also an amazing singer), who also tragically died at a young age. Back to the vocalists topic, I'm surprised no one has mentioned Antony, of Antony and the Johnsons. That dude has one incredible set of pipes.
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Hamilton Leithauser...oh god, I adore his voice...it's so soulful.
Perry Farrell. His voice has a wonderful, childlike nature.
Elliott Smith...always sounded like his voice would crack up, but it never did...
Paul Banks. Powerful and strange, but fragile
Ian Curtis...se above, but even more harrowing and godlike.
Mark Kozelek, his voice is a conduit of all the sadness in the world.
David Byrne, sounds out of control, but he reigns it in...deeply affecting, slightly mad.
Win Butler, for similar reasons to David Byrne.
Nick Drake, I don't feel I need to say anything.
Marvin Gaye, likewise.
Bjork, and Jonsi, how can one tiny country have two such incredible vocalists? And they pull it off live...astonishing...
Method Man, I love his deathly growl.
Tom Waits, weird and gravelly, but strangely affecting.
Stevie Wonder, another soul legend.
Greg out of The Delays, when he goes for the higher notes...
Liz Frazer, all I'm saying is 'Song to the Siren'
Jeff Buckley, what can I say that hasn't already been said?
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Buckley died at 30, I believe. And yeah, he drowned when a riptide from a passing boat pulled him into the Mississippi River. A more complete story: quote: Buckley was due to begin working up material for his long-awaited sophomore effort at Memphis's Easely Studios on Thursday, the day he disappeared. Former Television leader Tom Verlaine was originally down to produce the project, but that partnership was scrapped in March when Buckley decided he needed more time to come up with material for the album. Recording with Andy Wallace - who produced Buckley's phenomenal debut - was scheduled to begin at the end of June. The not-yet-titled album was set for early 1998 release.
Although Buckley already had more than two-dozen songs finished, he wanted to spend the next month preparing himself for the production of the album. Buckley most recently appeared on a track featuring Inger Lorre on Rykodisc's Jack Kerouac tribute, 'Kicks Joy Darkness'. He was also going to contribute a song to Hal Willner's forthcoming Edgar Allan Poe tribute alongside Lou Reed, Diamanda Galas and Leonard Cohen; and was to appear on the 'First Love, Last Rites' soundtrack.
The facts then as they are: On the night of Thursday, May 29, Buckley was hanging out with a friend at the Mud Island Harbour marina, half a mile inland off the Mississippi River in Memphis, Tennessee. He and the friend were listening to a stereo and playing a guitar when Buckley waded, fully clothed, waist-high into the water. He started singing and laid back on the water, when a boat went by causing waves to come in to the shore.
The friend on shore turned his back to move the stereo away from the incoming waves and when he turned around, he couldn't see Buckley. After a 10-minute search, the friend called local police. The Memphis police department began dragging the waters that night and continued to do so - weather permitting - for the five following days. They also checked on the chance of him having wandered out the water. Friends were contacted and people in the area of the marina questioned. They came up with nothing. Jeff Buckley simply vanished.
Finally, the news came through at about 7pm on June 4: the body of Jeff Buckley had been found. Police said that a passenger on the American Queen river boat spotted the body at the foot of the city's famous Beale Street. The body had a pierced navel - like Jeff's - and was in the same clothes he was described as wearing when he disappeared. His body was subsequently identified by friends and taken to the local morgue awaiting an autopsy. The waiting was over and the tears could finally flow unchecked for a beautiful spirit, tragically gone.
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I thought this was a "general music" discussion. With the exception of Marvin Gaye, all these lists contain alt rock singers. While I agree Perry Farrell is an excellent singer, the best pop vocalists of all time imho are Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Rosemary Clooney, and Nat Cole. Confining your list to best rock singers is like having a list of the best fry cooks at McDonald's. Rock singing is not that hard. I think any honest rock singer would tell you that. I love rock, but don't delude yourself it's great art. By the way, do you know how much singer's voices are altered at the mixing board? Going by recordings it's almost impossible to accurately compare one singer to another.
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quote: Originally posted by J.T.: I thought this was a "general music" discussion. With the exception of Marvin Gaye, all these lists contain alt rock singers. While I agree Perry Farrell is an excellent singer, the best pop vocalists of all time imho are Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Rosemary Clooney, and Nat Cole. Confining your list to best rock singers is like having a list of the best fry cooks at McDonald's. Rock singing is not that hard. I think any honest rock singer would tell you that. I love rock, but don't delude yourself it's great art. By the way, do you know how much singer's voices are altered at the mixing board? Going by recordings it's almost impossible to accurately compare one singer to another.
I wouldn't call Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan or Nick Drake alt rock. Or Antony and the Johnsons for that matter. Most of the people in here are rock aficionados. But I'll add Luciano Pavarotti and Nina Simone to the list to appease the General Music watchdogs.
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quote: Originally posted by J.T.: I thought this was a "general music" discussion. With the exception of Marvin Gaye, all these lists contain alt rock singers.
Hardly, but even if it did, mark opened the topic for people to talk about favorite vocalists. As ericg75 pointed out, alt-rock is what a lot of the members here like. It is possible that one day they will come to listen to a wider variety of genres. Then again, maybe not. That won't make their list of favorite vocalists any less their favorites. quote: Originally posted by J.T.: While I agree Perry Farrell is an excellent singer, the best pop vocalists of all time imho are Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Rosemary Clooney, and Nat Cole.
Sinatra and Crosby are a given, but in twenty plus years of listening to Clooney, I still can't give her more than a nod as a quality jazz-influenced pop singer and nowhere near the stature in terms of skill or influence as Sinatra or Crosby and certainly not anywhere close to Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Dinah Washington, or even Carmen McRae. What am I missing? Personally (and selfishly), I wish Nat King Cole had never sung a single note. It's not that he wasn't great, but it eclipsed his considerable talents as an instrumentalist. If you can ever find the sadly out-of-print Keynoters with Nat King Cole on Mercury, it's well worth the investment. quote: Originally posted by J.T.: Confining your list to best rock singers is like having a list of the best fry cooks at McDonald's.
So's confining your list to Americans. If you're going to take others to task for lack of scope, then you might want to look beyond the shores of the United States. If you're going to champion the great interpreters of popular song, where's Edith Piaf? quote: Originally posted by J.T.: Rock singing is not that hard. I think any honest rock singer would tell you that. I love rock, but don't delude yourself it's great art. By the way, do you know how much singer's voices are altered at the mixing board? Going by recordings it's almost impossible to accurately compare one singer to another.
Poppycock. Some of The Beatles' work is every bit as good as any art song ever written, and some of Schubert's lieder are frankly nowhere near as good as some of the best power pop out there. The fact that studio technology can enhance a recorded vocal performance largely accounts for timbre without regard for nuances of phrasing that define the very best singers. Take, for example, Billie Holiday. Toward the end of her life in late 1957, Holiday recorded "Fine and Mellow" with an all-star group. Her voice was wrecked by drugs and alcohol, but the performance is one of the finest of her career, which is saying a lot. As for comparing one singer to another on the basis of recordings, I've listened to Ivie Anderson's performances with Ellington and Joya Sherrill's performances with Ellington. The technology behind the former is far more crude than the latter, but I feel completely at ease stating that Anderson is the superior singer, even if we're robbed of much of the tone from what was by all accounts a truly extraordinary voice. It's not my intent to come down on you with both feet, J.T., but I have to confess I'm far more interested in who your (and everybody's) favorite vocalists are than why others' lists are lacking. Now Playing: "Side 2" Dressy Bessy Electrified
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quote: Originally posted by J.T.: I thought this was a "general music" discussion. With the exception of Marvin Gaye, all these lists contain alt rock singers. While I agree Perry Farrell is an excellent singer, the best pop vocalists of all time imho are Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Rosemary Clooney, and Nat Cole. Confining your list to best rock singers is like having a list of the best fry cooks at McDonald's. Rock singing is not that hard. I think any honest rock singer would tell you that. I love rock, but don't delude yourself it's great art. By the way, do you know how much singer's voices are altered at the mixing board? Going by recordings it's almost impossible to accurately compare one singer to another.
I echo some of LT's sentiments, but also should point out that the topic is not "Best Singers". It's FAVORITE VOCALISTS. If alt-rock fans don't consider Sinatra, Cole, et al to be their favorites, you might consider them to be ill-informed, but you really can't say much to criticize the thread given that they are listing favorites. Personally, I think Sinatra, Crosby, and Cole are both great singers AND favorites of mine. I'd second LT's assessment of Edith Piaf, and add Serge Gainsbourg for foreign flavor. I'd add Dean Martin, who I love. I'd add non-alt-rock singers like Jimmy Webb and Burt Bacharach. I'm not sure that I agree that rock singing is any less hard than singing pop standards. Maybe the opera singers can give attitude here, but I'm not sure why Sinatra could make a case for his style of singing being "harder" than Perry Farrell or Jeff Buckley or Thom Yorke.
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quote: I'm not sure that I agree that rock singing is any less hard than singing pop standards. Maybe the opera singers can give attitude here, but I'm not sure why Sinatra could make a case for his style of singing being "harder" than Perry Farrell or Jeff Buckley or Thom Yorke.
Exactly. Unless you're talking Opera, everything else falls under the catagory of popular music. Sinatra was to his time what someone like Thom Yorke is to today. "I've Got You Under My Skin" is no more complex of a song than "Karma Police".
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quote: Originally posted by Biggles: He drowned in his late 20s, I think.
He was like 29 or 30 I think. What kills me is that I was born and grew up in Memphis Tennessee. I still lived there at this time (1997) and had a chance to go down to Barristers to see him play on several occasions and didn't. I could absolutely kick myself...
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I tend to like artists with singular vocals or with an instantly engaging 'character' tone.
Howlin' Wolf, Son House, Bessie Smith, Captain Beefheart, Frank Sinatra, Blind Willie Johnson, Robert Pete Williams are definite favourites.
I also like Ray Davies, Tim Buckley (Jeff's dad who was way better in my estimation...folk-songwriter with free jazz influences ha), Leonard Cohen, Ozzy Osbourne w/ Black Sabbath, Damo Suzuki, Grace Slick, Kevin Ayers, Randy Newman, Lemmy Kilmister, Tom Waits, Bryan Ferry, Janis Joplin, Matt Pike, Keith Relf (Yardbirds) and the ilk.
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Thanks for the info on Jeff Buckley, dano and ericg. How tragic. I'll definitely make a note to look into his stuff.
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