I can still suck all the riot out of being a teenager for about six more weeks. Then, God knows.

I'm one of the old guys, at 45. Like Duncan, I've seen the first time around for a lot of the genres. I was there for metal, punk, post punk, grunge, rap, etc.

Where I disagree, is the idea that all we have now is rewarmed or rehashed musical ideas. All of those genres borrowed from, and built on, the music that preceded them. I think we're living through a very interesting and vital underground scene right now. While I don't see a supertrend breaking out into the mainstream (like, say, grunge did) I'm not sure that that is as likely anymore. With so many sources of consumption and distribution, I think the market is more fragmented than ever.

Likewise, I'm not sure that monolithic musical movements are even desireable. A more fluid and malleable music scene makes it more likely that good ideas and innovations are going to find an audience.

Current faves: Arcade Fire, The Besnard Lakes, Animal Collective, Beirut. This is every bit as cool and interesting, if not more so, than anything on "Classic Rock" radio.

I'd say it's DEFINITELY more interesting than classic rock radio, because there's a 99.9999999% chance that you'll have heard whatever they're playing at least 30 times before.

Doesn't mean it's not fun to sing along to though

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Originally posted by kendocubano:

Where I disagree, is the idea that all we have now is rewarmed or rehashed musical ideas. All of those genres borrowed from, and built on, the music that preceded them. I think we're living through a very interesting and vital underground scene right now.

I agree. The music world has changed drastically with the introduction of the internet. Someone can write a song, record it in a week and then have people listen to it and respond to it instantly. This makes music so much easier to make available. You don't have to play the exact same thing everyone else does to convince a record label to sign you on.

However, that also means there is a ton more music to sift though, because everyone and their cousin can start a band and get their songs curculating on the blog scene. I might seem like their isn't anything new happening because of how there is just so much more copy catting that is going on.

I think Spencer Krug is breaking into a new room in the musical mansion though. Of course, it's the creepy attic upstairs that no one likes to think about, but it's new and exciting.

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Originally posted by Jglass:
Nirvana fresh? HUH? I don't believe Nirvana did anything revolutionary except bring alternative to the mainstream.

I have to agree with this.

I totally agree with these two statements. These people have mis-understood the point I was trying to make. Alternative was the last unexplored genre in mainstream music. I'm not saying Nirvana were musically revolutionary, I'm saying that the movement they pioneered was revolutionary in a mainstream context and perhaps the last time we have seen any major musical genre attack the mainstream. Almost everything since has bowed down to mainstream convention and there are few genres that remain un-exploited. If you can name one please tell me what it is.

To be honest, everything I have posted here for the last few weeks has come under fire and I no longer fit in. I don't dislike anyone on this board - there are no hard feelings. I just have no desire to spend my time sitting here passing judgement on innocent artists I don't even know. There are more important things in life and I need to go and do them.

I may post here once in a while when something interesting happens, but for the moment it's goodbye from me.

Thank you for your time,

Duncan

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well, mainstream is just bad right now and there is a big step between underground and mainstream now. Some of you will probably say that underground music begins to be a bit more known, but i dont agree with that. Like i probably said in another thread, there was great mainstream rock artists in the early 1990s, like Nirvana, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Rage Against The Machine, Primus, Pearl Jam, Korn, etc. Now there's nothing, escept maybe The White Stripes. Maybe that's what Duncan was trying to say, i don't know....at least thats what i personnaly think. People don't feel rock anymore. People feel obliged to act like "good" people because we live in a strange era where everybody judge you because you have one little hair that is not in the right place. That's why Rap is so popular.........

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Originally posted by Sinister:
How could you possibly have to edit such a short post? Did you spell "me" wrong or forget your age??

LMAO! No, I wrote something else, then I read more of this post, and saw that what I wrote was wrong.

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Originally posted by BAfé:

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Originally posted by Sinister:
How could you possibly have to edit such a short post? Did you spell "me" wrong or forget your age??

LMAO! No, I wrote something else, then I read more of this post, and saw that what I wrote was wrong.

So you did forget your age?

No, how could I forget my age? I hate my birthday so much, it's like a countdown to doomsday.

But sadly I totally don’t know my moms or my brothers age, lol.

I'm "all young", it seems.. I'm 14, 15 in about a month. I don't listen to any music older than me. Current favorites: Arcade Fire (always a favorite), Future Kings of England, Animal Collective, New Pornos.

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Originally posted by Sinister:
I'm "all young", it seems.. I'm 14, 15 in about a month. I don't listen to any music older than me. Current favorites: Arcade Fire (always a favorite), Future Kings of England, Animal Collective, New Pornos.

Do you read books or look at art or watch movies that are older than you? I think you're missing out.

Sadly, MJ, I'm afraid he takes after me. I'm always about the new. I like my music fresh. Like my wine!

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Originally posted by Sinister:
I'm "all young", it seems.. I'm 14, 15 in about a month. I don't listen to any music older than me. Current favorites: Arcade Fire (always a favorite), Future Kings of England, Animal Collective, New Pornos.

go back fifty years (!) listen some, work your way forward thru doo-wop, girl groups, Motown, the Philly Sound, rockabilly, surf, wow man you have tons of fine music there. Rock on...

I'm 16, but I consider myself mature for my age.

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Originally posted by kendocubano:
Sadly, MJ, I'm afraid he takes after me. I'm always about the new. I like my music fresh. Like my wine!

You haven't lived unless you've savored a 40+ year old port!

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Originally posted by Maximum Jack:

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Originally posted by kendocubano:
Sadly, MJ, I'm afraid he takes after me. I'm always about the new. I like my music fresh. Like my wine!

You haven't lived unless you've savored a 40+ year old port!

This will have to do, until someone invents the "irony" emoticon!

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Originally posted by Sinister:
I'm "all young", it seems.. I'm 14, 15 in about a month. I don't listen to any music older than me.

I'm going to suggest you start digging up "classics", Sin. The age of music does not affect its quality in the least, frankly you're depriving yourself of centuries of art by limiting your intake to new music.

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Originally posted by hudson:
I'm 16, but I consider myself mature for my age.

Heh.

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Originally posted by Dork:
I'm going to suggest you start digging up "classics", Sin. The age of music does not affect its quality in the least, frankly you're depriving yourself of centuries of art by limiting your intake to new music.

Or at least decades. You don't necessarily have to start digging through the 1700s, but there's a whole lot of great music from the 60s through 90s that you'd probably enjoy based on what you currently like. I've said it before, but the art of songwriting hasn't changed that much in 50 years. Shockingly, artists are still working from the same 12 musical notes to write their songs and the same English (or other) language to write their lyrics.

Sorry to rant, but people who say they flat out don't like older music or don't think it's relevant is a huge pet peeve of mine.

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Originally posted by ericg75:
Sorry to rant, but people who say they flat out don't like older music or don't think it's relevant is a huge pet peeve of mine.

I have to come to Sini's defence. When he likes an artist, he is all about checking out the back catalogue. I'm the real offender in our household. I experienced popular music organically, as many of us older folks did. I first heard the Beatles on a table-top jukebox (three songs for a nickel). My "problem" is that I don't feel any real urge to go back and re-visit the music of my childhood and youth very often. I liked it when I heard it, and, of course, believe that it forms the base on which subsequent music is built. But I'm always more excited about the new than the old. I've done it.

So, where's he going to hear it? All the vinyl is long gone (sold off to Newbury Comix in Boston, in the early 90's), the casettes are mostly lost, and, of course we don't have a working casette player. We're not even going to talk about the dozen or so 8-tracks lost to the mists. And my CD collection begins in 1991 or so.

And I won't have any of the doo-wop in my house. It carries secret Satanic messages.

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Originally posted by kendocubano:
So, where's he going to hear it?

Umm, CD's?

There is no excuse for not hearing the older musical classics that helped influence some of Sin's favorite artists and their corresponding albums. And if you were to say, "Well my reasoning is that I just don't feel like it" is well, definitely not good enough. You should want to hear past classics to get a good musical foundation and to at least know where some of these guys are coming from.

Sin mentioned the Arcade Fire as an "always favorite" and if this is true, he needs to check out the older stuff. Arcade Fire are definitely one of those bands that have major influences all over their music. And some of it isn't even that old, maybe 80s, so that would be a start.