Originally posted by besttasteinmusicever: This thread is to make statements that most on Metacritic or in the music industry would find sacrilegious. I know we have overrated threads and such, but here you can compare artists, albums, anything you want. I'll start:
1. I don't think Kid A is in the same ballpark as OK Computer . 2. I think The Rolling Stones are the most overrated band of all time.
I'll have more later but I'll start with these 2.
I'll agree with that and go one further - not only is Kid A not in the same ballpark as OK Computer, it just sucks overall pretty hard. Combining warmed over Autechre outtakes with guitars - ooOOooOooOoo. It still could have worked if they had bothered to write some actual songs, but they didn't. It's avant-garde for 15 year olds - hey, I liked it when it came out too - I was 15 - but unlike OK Computer repeated listens just reveal how shallow and dull the record actually is. I'll add to the sacrilege by saying that what they've done since then doesn't improve on that much, though In Rainbows is the best of the lot.
I'll agree with that and go one further - not only is Kid A not in the same ballpark as OK Computer, it just sucks overall pretty hard. Combining warmed over Autechre outtakes with guitars - ooOOooOooOoo. It still could have worked if they had bothered to write some actual songs, but they didn't. It's avant-garde for 15 year olds - hey, I liked it when it came out too - I was 15 - but unlike OK Computer repeated listens just reveal how shallow and dull the record actually is. I'll add to the sacrilege by saying that what they've done since then doesn't improve on that much, though In Rainbows is the best of the lot.
While I don't think Kid A is bad in the slightest, I can hardly listen to OK Computer. Not that it's a bad album, by any means, but once my friends all got into Radiohead, that's all I heard for about a couple years. I swear, if I hear Thom Yorke say "gucci little piggie" one more time...
"The only thing hotter than this hot tub is you two ladies."
What is "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You" derivative of? Before the Beatles rock music was basically the 12-bar blues sped up. While Revolver is definately a better album than Meet The Beatles, Meet The Beatles influenced thousands of bands and changed the direction of music completely.
I don't know... Howlin' Wolf, Little Walter, Chuck Berry, any number of other black artists working in the 40's and 50's that barely got played on pop radio. The Beatles cleaned up the lyrics so that the double entendres of the blues musicians wouldn't offend (well, the first half of their career anyway) , but that's about it.
"The only thing hotter than this hot tub is you two ladies."
Originally posted by Chamberk: There is nothing that Animal Collective can do to make their music anywhere near good.
Noah Lennox can keep on doing his own thing though, that's pretty cool.
edit: basically Avey Tare can just stop making music and the world would be better for it
That's unfortunate, seeing as all of the Avey Tare songs on Strawberry Jam are my favourites. In fact, I'd be glad if he ditched Noah and made a solo record or something.
I think he did? And the general consensus was that it was pretty unlistenable, because it's all played backwards. Or something.
------ Aren't there any girls out their who like good music? I need to and want to meet them. My favorite bands are Overkill River, The Nife, Songs:Ohio, and Nuetral Milk Hotel. Please let me know if your into indy music and like to go to show's and drink beer's and makeout.
I think Avey Tare's record is much better than either Panda Bear's or Animal Collective's stuff this year.
When I heard about the album being backwards, I thought that the whole thing, backwards or forwards, would just be a stupid avant-garde exercise, being difficult to listen to for difficulty's sake.
Maybe the backwards version is actually, I've never really given it a chance but the re-reversed version is so touching and beautiful, it's just about my favorite record of the year. It's both intimate and playful, child-like without coming off like forced indie-preciousness which seems to happen a lot with cutsie bands. It reminds me of the genuine innocence and wonder that drew me to Animal Collective's first couple of records in the first place.
So, I would give it a chance if you haven't already, I've yet to hear anyone say something bad about the re-reversed version, though I haven't looked very hard.
This message has been edited. Last edited by: piesore,
I don't know... Howlin' Wolf, Little Walter, Chuck Berry, any number of other black artists working in the 40's and 50's that barely got played on pop radio. The Beatles cleaned up the lyrics so that the double entendres of the blues musicians wouldn't offend (well, the first half of their career anyway) , but that's about it.
Thinking that the early Beatles just repackaged blues and R&B cliches for white audiences is a major mistake. Harmonically, melodically, and structurally they made the artists you mentioned look like children, even right from the beginning. I'll refer you to Alan W. Pollack's musicological analysis of the entire Beatles canon - http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-beatles_canon.shtml
I don't know... Howlin' Wolf, Little Walter, Chuck Berry, any number of other black artists working in the 40's and 50's that barely got played on pop radio. The Beatles cleaned up the lyrics so that the double entendres of the blues musicians wouldn't offend (well, the first half of their career anyway) , but that's about it.
Thinking that the early Beatles just repackaged blues and R&B cliches for white audiences is a major mistake. Harmonically, melodically, and structurally they made the artists you mentioned look like children, even right from the beginning. I'll refer you to Alan W. Pollack's musicological analysis of the entire Beatles canon - http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-beatles_canon.shtml
That's a pretty cool (and vast) website, O&O. Thanks for linking it.
_____________________________ Weep to Water the Trees.
"This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician?
What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob
I don't know... Howlin' Wolf, Little Walter, Chuck Berry, any number of other black artists working in the 40's and 50's that barely got played on pop radio. The Beatles cleaned up the lyrics so that the double entendres of the blues musicians wouldn't offend (well, the first half of their career anyway) , but that's about it.
Thinking that the early Beatles just repackaged blues and R&B cliches for white audiences is a major mistake. Harmonically, melodically, and structurally they made the artists you mentioned look like children, even right from the beginning. I'll refer you to Alan W. Pollack's musicological analysis of the entire Beatles canon - http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/awp-beatles_canon.shtml
That's a pretty cool (and vast) website, O&O. Thanks for linking it.
I second that notion. Very cool web site.
----- We were wasps with new wings, now we're bugs in the jar.
I don't know... Howlin' Wolf, Little Walter, Chuck Berry...
Harmonically, melodically, and structurally they made the artists you mentioned look like children, even right from the beginning.
So how come the artists he mentioned sound so good?
Why shouldn't they? Schoenberg makes the Beatles look like children in all the ways I mentioned, but you'd have to hold a gun to my head to make me listen to Pierrot Lunaire. More complex != better; I was just trying to put to rest the idea that the early Beatles were an unoriginal boy band or somehow entirely separate from the later Beatles. Sit down with just a piano and play something from Abbey Road and something from A Hard Day's Night and you'll see what I mean.
Originally posted by odysseyandoracle: Sit down with just a piano and play something from Abbey Road and something from A Hard Day's Night and you'll see what I mean.
Originally posted by Stocky: I liked Weezer's Make Believe
So you're the one.
_____________________________ Weep to Water the Trees.
"This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician?
What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob
I had a stick of CareFree gum, but it didn't work. I felt pretty good while I was blowing that bubble, but as soon as the gum lost its flavor I was back to pondering my mortality.
