No, "Fourth Sex" means you're attracted to asexual organisms. Like amoebas. Morrisey's in fact been in a serious relationship with an ameoba for many years now.

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No, "Fourth Sex" means you're attracted to asexual organisms. Like amoebas. Morrisey's in fact been in a serious relationship with an ameoba for many years now.

hmmmm....

makes sense!

I'm not sure you guys know much about Biology. Psychology though, maybe.

sheeit I missed a lot.

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"What does "the sun shines out of our behinds" have to do with Rebel Without a Cause?

I read somewhere that James Dean was bi. Can't remember where - just thought it was interesting.

and I always thought that line in "if I fell" was odd:

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That you would love me more than her.

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In short, even if marketing affects what society deems art, marketing isn't a fucking artistic choice (based on the way people were using the terms in this thread and based on how most people use those terms).

I don't fucking care about what people call "artistic choices" in the music "industry." None of those people would know an "artist" if he/she shat purple on their demographic reports. The word artist is so abused these days it's absurd. It's been corrupted so much I would rather not use it and I don't consider anyone I respect to be a musical "artist" in the sense of the word that those A&R whores use it.

In the book there's a quote where Morrissey proclaims himself to be of the fourth sex, because he's neither one of the first two sexes and he bypassed the third sex. Because he's Morrissey. Or something.

Oh, and the author of the book is a gay man himself, so I found it interesting that he makes the argument for Morrissey's heterosexuality or bisexuality throughout the book.

MY point, before all this Morrissey talk, was this:

Just because you're gay (or black, or Jewish, or handicapped, or whatever) doesn't mean that's what you have to be ALL THE TIME. You can be something so much bigger, or at least more impactful: an asshole, a human, a saint or whatever. You can be WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BE. In music and in art, and sometimes in life, we're gifted with that freedom.

To waste it on just calling yourself gay or homosexual or GLBTA your whole life does a disservice to yourself and those who love you. Its a complete waste of potential, as an individual and ESPECIALLY as an artist.

So to that homosexual who was the focus of this thread, I'd say be outwardly gay in your music and be courageous enough to say what you mean and mean what you say. Its one thing to say "I'm gay," which makes your homosexuality a mere aesthetic commodity, tandem amount to a cosmetic aspect of yourself. Its on another level to say "I'm ALSO gay."

Lance Bass from NSYNC said that after coming out recently, and now I don't think he's half as stupid as he looks, anymore. If you did it, you would seem a lot less stupid, too.

I mean that with all the love in the world, man, I really do. You seem like a troubled guy and I wish the best for you, yours and your music. God bless.

This might be three months early, but 2006 has been an excellent year thus far for queer artists.

Here's the rundown so far:

Xiu Xiu - The Airforce
Jamie Steward, openly bisexual, is the lead singer. The album is quirky and exotic-sounding, and it's about suicide and child abuse. But, somehow, extremely listenable.

Final Fantasy - He Poos Clouds
Eleanor Rigby, but a whole album: orchestrated pop songs about lonely, desolate people. Oh, and apparently, Dungeons and Dragons. Hmmm.

Matmos - The Rose Has Teeth in the Mouth of a Beast
A glitch/dance album about 11 famous LGBT people. An acquired taste, but fantastic if you're into it.

Herbert - Scale
This is purely speculatory that this band has LGBT members... But, at the least, the music is very "gay" - dance music with disco-vocals, along with a political undercurrent in the writing. Like the Scissor Sisters, but you'll actually want to listen to this album more than three times.

Morrissey - Ringlead of the Tormentors
Morrissey is a self-proclaimed member of the fourth sex, which I suppose would mean he's... assexual? Anyway, this album is typical excellent Morrissey - songs about repression, loneliness, death, pain, etc. "Dear God Please Save Me" is the best song: a song about being sexually repressed for all of one's life but finally breaking down and giving into your primal urges. *swoon*

Hi,
Been scouring the world for a comprehensive database of GLBT bands...
Thanks for the info in your forum.
I'm trying to track down a UK gay band from the early nineties I think (or late 80s). Kind of ambient electronic pop, great lyrics, ironic mixture of politics, food and consumerism. CD came out with a semi-transparent booklet cover: A man and woman with a shopping trolley.
Cheers,
Clay

Somebody in The Faint has got to be gay.

The Gossip have some clearly gay themed songs, though I don't know the orientations of the members.

Not for everyone, but Gravy Train!!!! is like a gayer, more ghetto Peaches. In the best way.

I think one of the members of Erase Errata is a lesbian (the singer?). They played gay pride weekend here in New York.

On a totally different genre, my boyfriend likes Death in June (I think they have about 10 fans here in the states). They are an unbearable folk band, who, according to the boyfriend, are also a bunch of gay guys with a nazi fetish. Admittedly strange stuff, and while half the fans are in on the joke, the other half are neo-nazi homophobes always acting disgusted when someone points out that DiJ are totally gay.

Then there are a lot of supportive and/or questioning artists-- Nellie McKay comes to mind: one lyric is "am I hetero or queer?" and even if its just a cute line, her Cupcake song is an awesome anthem for gay marriage.

Peaches, previously mentioned, is what I might call hetero-flexible, or flat out sex-positive. Lots of songs about guys banging each other or mmf/ffm threesomes.

And-- holy shit! I had no idea Matmos were gay! Ok, after they wore pink pants to that show, I thought, are they gay? But then I forgot about their pink pants (and bright yellow shirts!). Actually, now that you mention it, a ton of their heroes celebrated on their last album were gay or at least of "gay interest." Glad to have my rumbling suspicions confirmed. I love those guys.

Also, there was an amazing band in New York in the 70s called The Fast. Got in at the beginning of the Glam era, and even started some fashion statements KISS later ripped off. REALLY interesting story. Quite a lot of openly gay songs. One of those bands that was always playing with Television or The Ramones or whoever, but never made it big. Then they had like one hit in Europe and promptly dropped dead of AIDS. Super tragic tale. Always makes me tear up a bit.

Also of that era, unfortunate AIDS victim, was Klaus Nomi. A documentary was just released on him last year. It's not all that good as a film, but worth checking out if that era is interesting to you.

And! Folky lesbian artists are a dime a dozen, I know, but Bitch and Animal stands out as totally awesome, in a very niche-market in-your-face kind of way. They've broken up now, but I know Bitch is still performing.

Edited to add another now-defunct girl group: Tribe 8 (best name ever?) Kind of like a dyke/trans version of Pansy Division, but not so cutesy.

whitelight: instead of posting replies to yourself, use the middle button at the bottom of your post (the edit button) and you can edit (and add to) your previous posting.

One recent, and good, GLBT record: Awoo by the Hidden Cameras.

Point taken, mod, but since the subjects were pretty different in each, I left them as seperate posts, and edited them individually. If that's a big deal, it won't happen again.

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Point taken, mod, but since the subjects were pretty different in each, I left them as seperate posts, and edited them individually. If that's a big deal, it won't happen again.

I wasn't trying to jump your shit as much as I was just making sure you knew how to edit. It's sometimes hard to wade through all the posts here, and even harder when people reply to themselves repeatedly.

Duran Duran.

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Duran Duran.

Who in Duran Duran is gay?

I just discovered your post by googling "Gay Bands", so I'm a little behind in the discussion. I'll add my 2 cents for what it's worth, though. I play guitar and sing in a gay band - all 4 members are gay or queer identified. We're not well-known yet, but I'd be happy to send you some music. I'd say you could compare us to Pansy Division as far as we sing about being fags and aren't usually subtle (our buttons & stickers say "God Hearts Fags"), but our harmonies are way more melodic, and the guy who writes most of the lyrics is a talented poet. We send out free 3 or 4-song demos & buttons, so just let me know if you want one. You can also check out the music at www.myspace.com/radfordbishop.

Thanks for the post, Queerboi.

I listened to your music on the Myspace page, and I'm extremely impressed. And I'm not just saying that - I'm genuinely moved by the musicianship shown here of not only a queer band but a high-energy band at the beginning of their career. It's lovely to hear, and I wish you guys the best of luck!

Keep at it, no matter what happens.

Holy crap, I just found out that the singer/songwriter of my #3 favorite album of the year is gay: Ed Droste of Grizzly Bear.

I wonder if I would have figured this out sooner if I actually could hear the band's lyrics; they are of the hazy, incomprehensible folk mood-music variety, kind of like a My Bloody Valentine-esque Animal Collective.

It's interesting now to discover the hints that would have led me to figuring out that Grizzly Bear has an LGBT influence, most notably the band's connection to numerous other LGBT indie bands right now such as Soft Pink Truth, Xiu Xiu and Final Fantasy. Soft Pink Truth, which is composed of one gay Matmos member, remixed a song from Grizzly Bear's "Horn of Plenty;" Final Fantasy, which is entirely a one gay man, Owen Pallett, project, arranged the string part on Yellow House's "Marla;" and Owen of Final Fantasy, who hangs out with Ed, hangs out often with Jamie Stewart of Xiu Xiu.

I'm so happy that one of my favorite albums of the year is from a queer artist. Now, if only the lead singer of Beirut could be gay, the entire top three of my favorite albums of the year could be by queer artists!

Does anyone want to share any stories of finding out one of your favorite artists is gay, and your reaction to it?

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However, I stated that IF the concern about Rufus is that people cannot enter into a song sung by a gay guy that is implicitly or explicitly about a gay relationship, as some people ADMITTED, then I perceive that as a problem. [end quote]



So it's a problem if people think that homosexuality is wrong and therefore do not care to listen to music that glorifies it? So we're not entitled to believe what we want and feel certain ways about different issues?

We're not allowed to be offended, we're not allowed to be disgusted, we're not allowed to be put off by certain behaviors that we see as wrong?

I have no problem with homosexuality per se, but many people do, for their own reasons. Those people have a right to believe what they want and express their dislike and disapproval of something just as you do.

You wanna bust on people for intolerance, well, try showing some for people who believe differently than you.