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Guru |
another for the transgendered list:
Walter/Wendy Carlos I can't listen to it too often now, but for a while I really thought Switched on Bach was awesome. Still one of the more hilarious album covers. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I know Corrin has a kid, but as I stated above, I've read numerous stories that her and Carrie were at one time a couple (though I've never actually heard either Carrie or Corrin confirm this). So, maybe she's bi, or maybe it's some kind of hoax like the White Stripes brother/sister thing. I'm not sure. Either way, S-K is a great band. But I thought with at least one confirmed lesbian in the group, they deserve a mention here. After all, they're much better than Culture Club. ----- Stay gold, Ponyboy. Stay gold. |
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I checked out Tommy Keene, and I'm very glad I did. I've already downloaded "Crashing the Ether" from eMusic, and I'm loving his guitar power-pop aesthetic. How long has he been out of the closet? I checked online, and the only information about his GLBT status I could find was that The Advocate recently did an article about him about something regarding his sexuality. Does this article confirm him as GLBT?
I've also listened to music and samples from the Buzzcocks (I love 'em!) and Stephin Merrit/Magnetic Fields (great find) based on everyone's recommendations. I'm finding some excellent GLBT this way, thanks guys! I really wish there was a resource for something like this somewhere.... Amazon.com has user-submitted lists and I've found a few scattered websites throughout the web that focus on this topic, but I wish there was a database or something of all these scattered indie-artists with GLBT status (I don't think I would have found out about the Magnetic Fields or The Hidden Cameras any other way than coming on here).
Yes! I'd completely forgotten about these guys. I'm pretty sure that their fascination with sweaty, dancing men is simply a part of their hipster, new wave dance-rock appeal. But who knows, there could be some bisexuality or pansexuality there.
I really like Frankie Goes to Hollywood. During their heyday, I don't think they were allowed to explicitly say they were gay (same situation for Soft Cell), but I think most people figured it out... rather quickly. Or not. I'm baffled by the whole "Relax" t-shirt thing. Silly middle America. That song is about....... oh never mind.
I think Antony and the Johnsons was one of the best indie finds of last year. Do we know if he's transgendered or just one of the other letters of GLBT? But not 'L'? Michael Stipe is definitely one of the most talented musicians of our time, but I've never really gotten into R.E.M. I never would have guessed that the man was gay, though, based on the music of theirs that I heard. Does anyone know if the Kurt Cobain + Michael Stipe = bisexual lovers rumor was true? Kurt Cobain declared his bisexuality to The Advocate in think a year before his death. Here's a few more musicians to add to our overall list: Gay men Ari Gold: Pop music, very much similar to N'Sync and boy band music. Eric Himan: Alt-country singer, beautiful voice. Broken Social Scene: Lover's Spit is about gay-man love, baybee. I'm not exactly sure which members have been confirmed GLBT (if any), but I do know that Kevin Drew wrote "Lover's Spit" and Andrew Whiteman wrote "I'm Still Your Fag." It's funny to see all the faux-indie-hipsters be all defensive and insecure when they find out the meaning of "Lover's Spit," which has been an anthem in the gay community and featured on Queer As Folk. There are many gay male dance-techno musicians, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is DJ Tiesto (I don't know if he's been confirmed or not). Lesbians The Butchies: The name just gives it away, doesn't it. They're an all GLBT punk/new wave-ish band, and they've released some great music... that American doesn't seem to want to hear, apparently. Le Tigre: JD Sampson is confirmed as being GLBT, but I don't know about the other members. Insider scoop, anyone? "Be yourself. Unless you suck." -Buffy, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" |
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Maybe i'm just a literal person, but if yer talking Broken Social Scene, the next song on the album, "I'm Still Your Fag," shpuld prolly come up. I don't really care to decipher the lyrics, but thats a pretty gay title. |
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Check out Lesbians On Ecstasy, their self titled disc is a bunch of classic lesbian anthems chopped up into dance music. They cover artists like K.D.Lang, Melissa Etheridge and Rough Trade. They also opened for Le Tigre on tour.
"If it were beneficial, their father would produce children already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become profitable in every respect." -Jesus, from the Gospel Of Thomas |
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I can't believe no one's mentioned Rob Halford from Judas Priest yet. I find it SO FUCKING HILARIOUS on metal shows (like VH1's Metal Mania Weekend programming, all of which rules) they're all aggressive and hypermasculine and then you see Rob Halford and I just snicker to myself because there's this massive elephant in the room/my mind.
"He's gay! He's gaaaaaaaaaaay!" I say to myself because its so fucking ironic and just... hilarious. I can't be alone on this. But yeah, Halford represents a much, much bigger base of homosexuals in metal than you might think. A lot of them are closeted, but they're definitely there. As a metal afficiando, I can attest to this. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Halford was mentioned in the initial post. I mean ditto.
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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"Forum Moderator" Jedi |
I think it does, although I haven't read it, but he is asked a question about being an openly gay power pop artist in the latest issue of MAGNET, and makes a comment to the effect of "I was never in the closet, I just didn't make a big deal about my sexuality." He's great. Check out Ten Years After and Songs From The Film for top-notch older Tommy. |
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That's great to hear about Tommy Keene, that's kind of what I thought his situation was. Though it discourages me a little having all these great gay artists never make a point about their sexuality in their music, I understand that it's a valid artistic and professional choice. Most of their fans aren't gay and don't care to hear about gay themes in their music. But, after a while, I think ultimately some artists take being sexually ambiguous as an artistic device a little too far where as a listener, it feels like there's isn't anything real anymore about their music (*cough*Morrissey*cough*). Just my perspective.
This is very, very interesting... and kinda hot. Please tell more. 
If I'm correct in my interpretation of the song, it's sung from the perspective of a man jealous of the fact that his male lover has a family and pretends to be straight. Which happens a lot with closeted gay adult men, the whole having-a-family-to-hide-the-horrible-truth-but-having-a-man-on-the-side sort of thing. "Be yourself. Unless you suck." -Buffy, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" |
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My B.
I must've meant there wasn't a full post dedicated to how hilariously ironic the fact was that he's gay AND HE'S THE FRONT MAN OF ONE OF THE HEAVIEST METAL BANDS OF ALL TIME! That must've been what I meant. Sorry, all. Sorry. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
You're forgiven. At least this time.
 "Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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"Forum Moderator" Jedi |
I don't think an artist should have to make any point about discussing their sexuality, or politics, or whatever, if they don't want to. I'm sure some write ambiguous love songs to keep their sexuality secret, but others may simply not care to express their sexuality to the world. I've heard the argument that gay artists are somehow 'obligated' to write confessional songs, which I find ridiculous. If you don't want to write about love, don't. If you're gay but write songs to ambiguous figures, feel free. |
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I agree. Gay artists shouldn't have to make a point about their sexuality in their music. As I said before, most of a gay artist's fans probably aren't even gay themselves, so they wouldn't care to hear about the artist's love life. No artist should ever feel like they have to make a point about anything in their personal life: their political convictions, their religious denomination or who they're sleeping with. It's all up to the artist. Anyway, here's another current GLBT artist I just discovered: Matmos. I'm not sure whether or not the duo that makes up Matmos (Drew Daniel and Martin C. Schmidt) are GLBT, but there's a definite GLBT leaning in their music. Their latest album, "The Rose Has Teeth In the Mouth of a Beast", which came out last May, is completely devoted to 10 historically significant GLBT figures, including William S. Burroughs. Also, Drew Daniel's side project The Soft Pink Truth has a definite GLBT edge to it. "Be yourself. Unless you suck." -Buffy, "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" |
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Drew Daniel and Martin C. Schmidt are partners, actually. Anyone who's seen a live performance of "Cocoon" by Bjork can attest to that.
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THIS IS SUCH FUCKING BULLSHIT!
"Gay people don't have to make a big deal about their sexuality... blah blah blah." Not saying anything about being gay is making a big fucking deal. Do straight girls fucking EVER write albums that only have ambiguously sexual lyrics? Has Jack White ever had an album that didn't say "she"? Name one fucking popular straight guy musician that hasn't used "she" or "her" on an album. It's such bullshit. The whole "making a big deal out of things." Singing about a bad relationship with a guy when you are a guy isn't making a big deal out of things. That's your life. It's soooo fucking pathetic that people are so blind and idiotic. If you hate gay people, fine. But I'd rather have a bunch of assholes say "i hate fags" any day over these fuckers who say "i like gay people, as long as they don't shove it in my face." Why do you think gay people don't make a big deal out of it? Because if they did, they wouldn't sell any fucking records. Imperial Teen was a really fucking good band. I've seen shows of theirs where it was like 30 people, which is so ridiculous given how good they are. People only like gay people in bands with openly gay lyrics when they act like "freaks" (RuPaul) or they are fake "hot lesbians" (TaTu) or when it's some obvious heterosexual "political statement" (Kurt Cobain kissing a guy on stage, the lead singer of The Used frenching the lead singer of My Chemical Romance). It's all bullshit. And if you can't see that, then you are a blind fool. The only rare exceptions are really gay dance bands, or really weird indie bands, just because no one who listens to those bands gives a fuck, and a lot of gay people listen to that. You think you are going to have good gay musicians in a rock band with gay lyrics that sells? It's just so unlikely. Oh, and for the record, I'm out, and I'm a hard rock band, I sometimes do sing about gay lyrics, and it's fucking hard as hell to do that. It's not some easy thing where it's a choice between "not pushing it in people's faces" and "being myself." It's a choice between not dealing with a whole bunch of bullshit and being in a band (the closet) or being out of the closet, singing about being gay, and dealing with a whole bunch of bullshit as a result. That's the reality. Unless you want to start some crappy gay punk band where everything is out of tune and no one can play their instruments and there's no melody (think Pansy Division). Or unless you want to start some weird indie band where you're the only member and you use a drum machine. Maybe someone will prove me wrong and in the next couple of years, we'll have a non-dance-oriented major popular band with an openly gay singer. But I fucking doubt it. Unless the band I'm in becomes a success... and, although I doubt that will happen, you never know. (Although I 100% believe that if I were straight, the band I'm in would get signed to a major with major distribution within 2 years.) This isn't bitterness, it's reality. I also seem this angry when I talk about politics, hence the desire to be in a loud hard rock band. no no no... well, yes. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Hey, welcome toosad. I can understand your anger and frustration, but are you actually saying that this thread sucks, or are you just letting off steam? I hear you either way, but I thought the thread was a pretty open discussion of the topic. What about you?
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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No, his thread doesn't suck. I like this thread. :-) I guess a few people were saying how when gay people don't mention sexuality, they just aren't making a big deal of it. And I think that is a big deal, in and of itself. It's like how the absence of "Mein Komp" (by Hitler) in Germany says waaaaaay more than its inclusion in a bookstore. I guess it just bothers me that people don't think it's a big deal that these people don't discuss their sexuality. It is fake, it is selling out -- but maybe it's better to sell out and have a living as a musician than to sing gay lyrics and not make money. I just think it's really funny that people don't recognize the hypocracy of this. Like these gay musicians are demi-gods who've made an artistic choice to avoid sexuality, when in fact it's a pragmatic choice. People have this idea that when gay people don't sing about gay topics, they are making the songs more accessible to everyone. That's so fucking ridiculous. It's like saying banning literature about democracy in China makes Communism more accessible to everyone. It's not about access, it's about money, and it's about fame, and it's about being recognized -- and it's about compromising. Do you really think for one second that George Michael would have not mentioned guys if he weren't concerned about homophobia? Do people think it's this artistic choice? I'm sure that, in the 1940s, having black people playing idiots in movies ("Yesa Massa") made those movies way more accessible than had the black people been portrayed as complicated fully-realized characters. So I guess hooray for accessibilty. Those movies were totally reasonable, right? And even if having seperate bathrooms for colored and non-colored people made bathrooms more accessible for black people, and even if it payed the way for Brown v. Board of Education, it's still a compromise. It's still different than Mahatma Ghandi saying, "fuck you. i'm not gonna bow down, and if that means you kill me, so be it." I just think the people who deem this an issue of "accesibility" or "artistic choice" are viewing this issue in a really fucked up light. That being said, I'm glad the thread exists! :-) I seem angry, but really I'm just a timid little boy with a shotgun and some wild ideas. (I'm obviously not being serious.) no no no... well, yes. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
By the way, I've been to diefuker. It's a helluva place.
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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