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quote: Originally posted by The Fall of Troy: quote: Originally posted by Dwigt: I'm sorry for being the umpteenth person to say this, but it's a really awesome story you guys. I was wondering however how many people illegally downloaded the album? I only ask because I've begun to realize how much that sort of think can bolster a lesser known band's popularity.
Nobody around here would ever dream of doing that.  I, for one, got my copy from eMu.
Ah! That's great to hear. Other music boards that I've been to have not been eager at all to spend money on music.
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quote: Originally posted by Dwigt: Ah! That's great to hear. Other music boards that I've been to have not been eager at all to spend money on music.
There are a few of us on these boards that steadfastly refuse to use the torrents or download leaks. We prefer to wait until release day and get our music through legal means. And, I believe that most people on these boards will support a band they like by purchasing physical copies of discs, even if they originally download from a torrent.
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| Posts: 1112 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 18 December 2006 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by The Fall of Troy: quote: Originally posted by Dwigt: Ah! That's great to hear. Other music boards that I've been to have not been eager at all to spend money on music.
There are a few of us on these boards that steadfastly refuse to use the torrents or download leaks. We prefer to wait until release day and get our music through legal means. And, I believe that most people on these boards will support a band they like by purchasing physical copies of discs, even if they originally download from a torrent.
Can't hate me anymore, Troy! You WATCHED me buy the cd!
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| Posts: 1785 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 16 August 2008 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by crob3888: Can't hate me anymore, Troy! You WATCHED me buy the cd!
I wasn't ratting you out, crob. But, you're good now. Think of it as getting your first needle and hit for free. You're now hooked and will be paying through the nose for this band for the rest of your life. 
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| Posts: 1112 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 18 December 2006 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by The Fall of Troy: quote: Originally posted by crob3888: Can't hate me anymore, Troy! You WATCHED me buy the cd!
I wasn't ratting you out, crob. But, you're good now. Think of it as getting your first needle and hit for free. You're now hooked and will be paying through the nose for this band for the rest of your life.
Let's hope "paying through the nose" means more $8 intimate shows.
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| Posts: 1785 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 16 August 2008 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by The Fall of Troy: quote: Originally posted by Dwigt: Ah! That's great to hear. Other music boards that I've been to have not been eager at all to spend money on music.
There are a few of us lawyers and engineers on these boards that steadfastly refuse to use the torrents or download leaks. We prefer to wait until release day and get our music through legal means. And, I believe that most people on these boards will support a band they like by purchasing physical copies of discs, even if they originally download from a torrent.
I keed, I keed. I've actually bought two copies of Hometowns plus a poster (which is rad, by the way). That said, there are a lot of us here that are college students and/or working minimum wage jobs and/or in debt and/or unemployed. (I hate and/or's but don't see any way out of it here.) I don't see any moral violation in not paying for every album you hear, even every album you enjoy. But I think we've had this conversation before,  and I don't want to hijack another thread, particularly this one, going over tired arguments.
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| Posts: 4617 | Location: NE Indiana | Registered: 14 April 2005 |    |
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Agreed. Let's not hash up old grounds. I thought I summarized both positions pretty well.
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| Posts: 1112 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 18 December 2006 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by RavingLunatic: quote: Originally posted by The Fall of Troy: quote: Originally posted by Dwigt: Ah! That's great to hear. Other music boards that I've been to have not been eager at all to spend money on music.
There are a few of us lawyers and engineers on these boards that steadfastly refuse to use the torrents or download leaks. We prefer to wait until release day and get our music through legal means. And, I believe that most people on these boards will support a band they like by purchasing physical copies of discs, even if they originally download from a torrent.
I keed, I keed. I've actually bought two copies of Hometowns plus a poster (which is rad, by the way). That said, there are a lot of us here that are college students and/or working minimum wage jobs and/or in debt and/or unemployed. (I hate and/or's but don't see any way out of it here.) I don't see any moral violation in not paying for every album you hear, even every album you enjoy. But I think we've had this conversation before,  and I don't want to hijack another thread, particularly this one, going over tired arguments.
It makes me sad that I'm one of the people who only needs the "ands" in that sentence... College student AND working a low paying job AND in debt.  Thanks for bringing me back to the cold, harsh reality of real life, RL.
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| Posts: 1785 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 16 August 2008 |    |
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As an interesting side note to the whole downloading debate, would this thread even exist (at least in its current incarnation) if the album wasn't downloaded (illegally) in the first place? Certainly the RAA would likely have gotten exposure and been signed to a label regardless at some point, but you would have to think that illegal downloading can only help smaller bands to gain exposure and (hopefully) sell some records/merch and build up a fanbase. In any case, would the RAA be as big around here if it weren't for filesharing? Who knows if I would have ended up checking out Hometowns in its entirety w/o downloading it first, same with RL and many others. For what it's worth, I did up buying Hometowns, though I still haven't seen them live yet. Maybe when they're opening up for Red Red Meat next month. It's a free show, so I don't have much of an excuse except for my daughter, though she'll be two months old by then. Maybe the wife won't mind me coming home late
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| Posts: 346 | Location: Chicago | Registered: 09 October 2007 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by nmeiborg: For what it's worth, I did up buying Hometowns, though I still haven't seen them live yet. Maybe when they're opening up for Red Red Meat next month. It's a free show, so I don't have much of an excuse except for my daughter, though she'll be two months old by then. Maybe the wife won't mind me coming home late
I'm still paying for my late night on Friday night hanging out with Nils, Paul, Amy, crob, and joymonger. I've been getting the silent treatment at home from my wife. I don't think she's mad so much about the RAA show, but instead the cumulative effect of stuff that kept me away from the family all weekend.
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| Posts: 1112 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 18 December 2006 |    |
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I wasn't going to say anything, but since it has sortof become a discussion I'll pop up to clear the air. I see any illegal act as a moral or ethic issue, and I'm happy to be employed and out of school and not have to deal with the issue as much as I did (although, I spent way more on music when I was in college and didn't have a wife and kid). But I completely sympathize with all of you that are struggling economically, and still trying to support your interest in musical art. I respect you, and I don't look down on you because I have made a decision that you haven't. Please don't think of me as some rich engineer that thinks everyone is wrong is that don't sleep in beds full of money. I also feel most of the people on this board do more to support and sell good music than most band's adertising groups. And we do so without pay. So are the bands stealing from us as well? But I don't think any of this justifies the action. I do wish all bands understood the benefit of people downloading and listening to free music and would come up with creative ways to make this work in their favor. This would result in bands coming up with ways for us to continue downloading their music, talking about it, making them popular, and then making them lots of money, and would not be forcing people to break the law in the process. Oh well. Back on subject. ---------------------------- There's an ember in the rafters and it's gonna burn this whole thing down.
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| Posts: 2668 | Location: Anchorage, Alaska | Registered: 08 August 2007 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by Shadrach: Oh well. Back on subject.
What were we talking about? 
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| Posts: 1112 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 18 December 2006 |    |
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quote: Originally posted by Shadrach: I wasn't going to say anything, but since it has sortof become a discussion I'll pop up to clear the air.
I see any illegal act as a moral or ethic issue, and I'm happy to be employed and out of school and not have to deal with the issue as much as I did (although, I spent way more on music when I was in college and didn't have a wife and kid). But I completely sympathize with all of you that are struggling economically, and still trying to support your interest in musical art. I respect you, and I don't look down on you because I have made a decision that you haven't. Please don't think of me as some rich engineer that thinks everyone is wrong is that don't sleep in beds full of money.
I also feel most of the people on this board do more to support and sell good music than most band's adertising groups. And we do so without pay. So are the bands stealing from us as well? But I don't think any of this justifies the action.
I do wish all bands understood the benefit of people downloading and listening to free music and would come up with creative ways to make this work in their favor. This would result in bands coming up with ways for us to continue downloading their music, talking about it, making them popular, and then making them lots of money, and would not be forcing people to break the law in the process.
Oh well. Back on subject.
C'mon Shadrach. Why do you wish for bands to understand the benefits of illegally downloading their songs? They're music fans like us and before they had money to spare they downloaded shitloads of music for free just like the rest of us.
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| Posts: 1781 | Location: The Coastal Empire | Registered: 24 December 2004 |    |
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If you're reading this, RAA, I apologize for sort of derailing the thread :  quote: Originally posted by hophead: I agree with you nmeiborg. Several months ago, these guys were happy to have people interested in their music. I would guess most small unsigned bands would graciously endorse downloading of their songs so they can garner up some interest and get people to attend their shows. It all builds up some word of mouth and eventually, hopefully you can get signed. So is the plastic with some files copied from a computer that was worthless a year ago now worth $12? who knows. I haven't bought Hometowns but I did buy the Antlers Hospice so I feel a little better about myself.
Yeah, this is what I was getting at in my question in the first post. (I paid for both Hospice and Hometowns on their myspaces, though I have illegally downloaded much in the past, just for the record.) I guess both methods of acquiring the CD have their advantages in terms of garnering interest in the band, but one is slightly more unethical like Shadrach said.
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quote: Originally posted by totallylost...: I must admit that i did not find them myself (a friend introduced me), but an utterly, sheerly, beautiful album. Definitely in my top of the year list.
A worthwhile first post, totallylost. Hopefully we'll see you around here some more.
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| Posts: 1785 | Location: Los Angeles, CA | Registered: 16 August 2008 |    |
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The RAA is contributing "In the Summertime" to the soundtrack for an indie movie "My Mother's Red Hat" starring Alicia Silverstone and Alanis Morissette. The song is prominently featured in the trailer. My Mother's Red Hat TrailerThe movie looks really crappy, but the soundtrack looks great. Kinda like Empire Records.
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