I agree that Sonic Youth, The Rolling Stones, Velvet Underground, Elvis and Sgt.Peppers are all overrated! Elvis is becoming a little to popular to bash these days though for my taste. Sure the guy is overrated and stole most of his good stuff from other artists, but he still has tons of great songs to fall back on to prove his worth. That will be what history remembers him for, not any supposed musical genius. Sonic Youth has about one or two albums worth of good songs at most for their long career, The Rolling Stones about the same, and Velvet Underground has nothing but image and reputation keeping their name alive. Sgt Peppers was elevated to godlike status just because of the climate and time that it was released. There are at least 4 superior Beatles albums regardless of personal taste.

Quote all you like, kids, but if you dislike Daydream Nation you're just a terrible person and that's all there is to it.

Flat out straight up way out 100%!

Do you mean 100% as on a grading scale or 100% as in perfect? If perfection exists, we might as well just drop everything else and worship that perfection all day long. Besides that, there should be no bands trying to make music because they couldn't be any better.

This "terrible" crap, I'll take with a sliced-up grain of salt because I think you are using it abstractly instead of personally attacking any posters here. Please respond since it may affect your future around here. Peace.

I would like Daydream Nation if it didn't suck.

Crash, slow down okay, they may suck in your opinion, but other people like it. I wouldn't mind if you said it "sucked" and gave actual facts but just saying that it "sucked" is of no help to anybody. You and NOJAX need to hug.

I think it's safe to agree that Daydream Nation, though widely accepted as an highly influential, well regarded album, is not everyone's cup of tea. If you don't like it, you're just not into it. No biggy...and no one sentance stab at it will bring down that size of collective critical effort.

I'm not getting angry. I'm just saying, I think Daydream Nation is bad. That's why I started this post to begin with.

I liked how they linked to my name on the other thing

because

it was neat!

There is no point to agreeing-to-disagree on an internet message board. Go nuts guys! Postulaaate

Here is why it is good

1) "Total Trash" is still one of my favorite songs EVAR on account of it is very awesome
2) An english major told me it was awesome and they are really smart
3) It doesn't suck like Dirty did
4) It's 1963, it's 1964, it's 1957, it's 1962
5) The thing that holds the CD, in the case? You know how, on most albums released before, say, '99, that thing is black? so you get that black stripe of plastic casing to the left of the cover art? Well, Daydream Nation doesn't have that, that little part is totally clear and as such is a good album
6) It has a trilogy on it and trilogies are very avant garde
7) Even Kim Gordon can't ruin The Sprawl! C'mon c'mon and "This was the only part that turned me on / but he was candy all over"!!
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9) Without Daydream Nation there would be no Eric's Trip! Without Eric's Trip there would be no Microphones cover of that Eric's Trip song on It Was Dark We Stayed in the Water and I would be a sad emoticon
10) Sure you all talk big, but do any of you actually have the guts to build a time machine, travel back in time and interrupt the flow of history such that Daydream Nation was never created? The ramifications would be simply mind-boggling and I would just have to lie down for a while except suddenly since Daydream Nation was never made, NOBODY EVER INVENTED LYING DOWN! HOLY WOW

Oh and I don't really have anything against crash or any of you! It's just that crash's opinions offend my sensibilities is all

(they are delicate).

But I (my name, a link to my name and stuff) will keep my thoughts to my own forums (a link a link a linnnnk)

You neglected to mention that it had a candle on the cover and candles make fire and fire is COOL. Therefore, it must be a good record.

Nicely done, Nojax. Funny stuff.

I pulled the record you love so dearly out today and listened to it, and liked it more than I remembered liking. I still think "Teenage Riot" is a pretty great song.

On the basis of your rather bizarre digressions and odd humor, I'll be perusing your site from now on. While I totally disagreed with your review of the Veils, it made me laugh.

Later!

<3

Yeah the site is gonna be down for a while and then reopen with a different name but thank you for being rad regardless of your opinion of the Veils regardless!

Oh and candles are pretty tremendous but I have to say they are getting a bit overrated. I mean sure candles did the whole controlled flame thing first, but others have done it better since then, you know?

A Coleman gas grill would be the ultimate album.

Be sure to announce the launch of the new site in Music Critics & Publications when it's up and running. There's a good selection of under-reviewed albums and some good writing on the current site. More of that would be welcome indeed.

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Originally posted by Crash:
And don't tell me I don't get it. I enjoy arty music as much as the next guy. But artiness is all Sonic Youth has. They just throw a bunch of noise together with some pseudo-meaningful lyrics in a sad effort to try to sound smart. I can't tell you how angry I was after buying Daydream Nation because of "Teen Age Riot" and about 50 million glowing reviews, only to discover it was garbage.

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, That is all i have too say

I have a confession to make. When I first listened to Daydream Nation I hated it (sans Teenage Riot). I just thought it was dissonant, noisy garbage. Because of hearing so much praise for it, I kept listening to it. Then it clicked. Fucking stunning. That album can stand up to any. Obviously, no matter how much someone listens to something they may never like it, but I'm almost certain that there are those out there who dismissed Daydream Nation after one or two listens.

I just heard Daydream Nation for the first time.

It's...interesting, pretty inventive for that genre, and an obvious precursor to a lot of 90s stuff. I wouldn't put it in the first tier necessarily, but at the very least it's in the second.

Daydream Nation



Some albums remind us of certain times of our lives. This is one such album for me. It was new at the time. It was boundary riding stuff.

And for that alone, I don't think they are overrated at all, let alone the most overrated band of all time.

Greetings, fellow South Australian (Nightharvest).

To topic starter: I'm not sure how I feel about the 'Youth, but slapping a title such as "most overrated band of all time" on a band whose influence extends to a good number of your own favourite bands seems a bit, you know, hypocritical.

Not quite an original statement, I know, but my brain needs sleep. Good night Metacritic.

I don't think I could call any band I have a generally positive outlook toward 'most overrated all time'. Overrated, maybe. But I would easily reserve 'most' for things like Dave Matthews.

My opinion of Sonic Youth is probably similar to most fans....they put out some sub-par (for them) stuff; did I EVER feel like they were shittin' on me? NO WAY!

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I've already said why I don't like Sonic Youth. I find their music boring and pretentious.

Hey, I agree all things that are pretentious are generally pretty shitty. Wait. What was that you just said?

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No offense, Mr. Botle, but everything you posted is wrong.

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First of all, there was stuff similar to Sonic Youth when they came out. Ever heard of Swans? DNA? Teenage Jesus and the Jerks? Lydia Lunch?

Didn't you just say you didn't like pretentiousness? But then, I must be crazy. No one is ever pretentious on an indie rock message board.