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Jedi |
The label 'experimental' is (or used to be) a little different. I think that one did make sense for quite a while. When people (critics and musicians alike) talk about 20th century academic 'experimental' music, I believe they do make it sound like a test - one that was a big fat failure to many less adventurous ears.
But now that the ...what - form, genre? has matured a bit it seems that that label experimental gets less and less appropriate. Now there's a definite subculture that has already decided that they like the results and want to do more testing. But now that so much has already been done for the first time it seems more like product development (all bogus business connotations aside) rather than honest to goodness experimentation. Maybe this is another discussion that could migrate to the avant garde thread? |
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Know-It-All |
I definitely agree with your conception of the "experimental" side of contemporary music vitunkrapula. How long has it been since you've heard a sound that really surprised you? I still listen to ye olde Nurse With Wound classics just to get a bit of fresh ground sounds. Sure I love distortion, sine waves, clicking percussion, and chime synths but in terms of sonic exploration even the so-called avant-garde retreads and retreads and retreads. Of course I love "October Language" for the very reason that it sounds like the best Fennesz/Tim Hecker track played at varying chord changes for 45 minutes, so maybe I'm just expelling hot air here. |
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Apprentice Guru |
well then would these bands be considered indie?
josh ritter joanna newsom joy division echo and the bunneymen oasis new order the verve the velvet underground goldfrap the wrens |
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Apprentice Guru |
hey can somebody answer my question?
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Jedi |
Hey buddy, your 'question' is pretty subjective, so even if I were to say that I think Oasis is indie, which I don't, it isn't going to be 100% valid for everybody. Oasis is or was signed to Sony, and considering the normal definition of "Indie" they don't fit the category. Thing is, most of the artists you mentioned were around before "Indie" actually meant anything.
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
It really depends how you're using the term "indie". Are you using it as a genre definition or in reference to the size of the label they're on?
----- We were wasps with new wings, now we're bugs in the jar. |
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Apprentice Guru |
probably more of a genre definition
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Here's how I'd classify them.
Ritter, Newsom = Indie Folk Joy Division, New Order, Echo = Post-Punk/New Wave Oasis, The Verve = Brit Rock VU = Protopunk, Art Rock Goldfrapp = Electropop Wrens = Indie Rock ----- We were wasps with new wings, now we're bugs in the jar. |
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Jedi |
Looks about right to me.  |
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Jedi |
Originally posted by just indie:
well then would these bands be considered indie? josh ritter - Nope joanna newsom - Yup! joy division - Nope echo and the bunneymen - Nope oasis - Nope new order - Nope the verve - Nope the velvet underground - Nope goldfrap - Nope the wrens -Yup! _____________________________ Weep to Water the Trees. "This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician? What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob |
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Jedi |
Indeed, Plastic Bertrand is good. "stop ou encore" is probably my favorite song of him that i know
http://www.myspace.com/impostorwaiting I don't want to go, but i can't say i had a good time to be anything |
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Apprentice Guru |
so a split decision on josh ritter then? max why wouldn't you consider him indie?
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