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Jedi |
The monkey keeps dancing, and we don't even have to feed in quarters. This is great.
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Sure. What did you have in mind? Play a game of Trivial Pursuit? Appear on Jeopardy? I don't think you're stupid, but you do post with an air of intellectual superiority that isn't warranted. We have a lot of intelligent folks here and you repeatedly expressing opinions and trying to pass them off as fact (and everyone who disagrees is a moron) is getting old. That's why I suspended you before. The funny thing is, you seem to think people here don't like you because they disagree with you. That's not the case. I actually agree with a lot of your opinions, and like a lot of the same bands you do. Hell, I even like this Frightened Rabbit album. But, the manner in which you go about discussing music around here does, in fact, make you seem like a gigantic asshole. If that's the persona you want to project, so be it, but don't expect to be treated like a human being. You can't constantly be a dick and cry when people attack you. ----- We were wasps with new wings, now we're bugs in the jar. |
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Apprentice Guru |
I challenge you to a duel.
Okay, i don't get the Incubus comparison either, but i'm not going to deny it because goathouse is an interesting cat. Maybe i don't hear it because i fucking loathe Incubus and kind of just don't mind these guys. Yeah, get back to the task at hand, which is comparing this band to others and talking about the fact that this album just isn't as good as the Twilight Sad. On another note, another Glaswegian band, legends in their own right, are releasing an album in the coming month. I speak of Primal Scream, and after hearing one song, it is a return to XTRMNTR-type stuff (based on one song), not second-rate Stones shite, like that Riot City Blues turd-heap. At least i think they're from Glasgow... i don't want to double-check, so correct me if i'm wrong. |
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Apprentice Guru |
BG, i find this quote kind of funny...
And then there's this:
Now, I'm not trying to instigate, but it seems as though you are rather inconsistent in two separate threads. Is it okay to say an element of the band is comparable to another? I'm curious, generally speaking, because i might assume (but won't) that perhaps you say things that are intended to provoke, like the second quote, when, in fact, you are guilty of the same thing. Anyway, this band bores me right now, but Shearwater sure is nice about now. The Antony comparison is pretty valid actually, so i'll go over there and agree with BG. |
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Jedi |
I'm going to go ahead and defend BG on this one; he's just saying that comparing entire bands is often inaccurate, and he's right. In the particular quote you're using, he's comparing specific concrete musical elements (the tone and range of the singer's voice). If you read back through the thread, that's exactly what he says should be used to compare bands (concrete musical elements, that is). |
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Apprentice Guru |
Well, that was my question that i posed actually. But, Antony and Shearwater are semi-solo projects, the brain-child of one member for the most part (Shearwater much less so than Antony). I wasn't trying to offend BG at all, so there's not need for a defense on his behalf, at least to my knowledge. Anyway, though the two singers have a similar tone and pitch, they both do drastically different things with their voice, be it lyrics or how those vocals accompany the music. Sure, they sound a little similar, but in the context of the music, that similarity seems to kind of die out. Like i said though, purely at first listening value (or some such thing), the two are comparable. I just wanted some clarification to be honest. |
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Apprentice Guru |
Glad you're enjoying Forest City Lovers and Jeremy Messersmith, I have both of the Forest City Lover albums if you need me to up either let me know.
As far this whole quasi-debate, but mostly flame fest. Its mostly just amusement as this point. Here's the thing Gravel you have some good opinions and you are obviously fairly smart, but you also seem to be fairly ignorant. There are indeed ways to get your opinion off without appearing as a huge douche, but its your decision if you'd rather be a douche. Also I'd just like to say that Steve Reich's Come Out is infinitely more enjoyable to me, than this album  . |
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Know-It-All |
What do Forest City Lovers and whoever this other dude you mentioned sound like LK? I've never heard them. I'm trying to round out this album CD (like 10 mp3 albums on a CD - in an mp3-capable player in my car (it's the best) - this week's has Oxford Collapse, The Kinks, Fleet Foxes, and the Bronx so far - ways to go)
I gotta say though - what a guy John C. Reilly is for being a semi-regular on Tim and Eric Awesome Show. I mean how much must this dude normally get paid to appear onscreen? For those who don't fuck with Tim and Eric: I feel sorry for you. (At the risk of catching more hate for being rich - the mp3 player is in a torn and tattered 2000 Impala, I am a student and generally speaking I'm utterly destitute) This message has been edited. Last edited by: BlackGravel, |
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Know-It-All |
I listened to the Forest City Lovers album a few times and remember it being pretty pleasant indie-pop but nothing that blew me away. Maybe I'll have to add it back to my iPod and give it another chance.
To get back on topic, Frightened Rabbit is a terrific band and has released one of the best releases of the year thus far. Not sure I see the Incubus comparison either Goathouse, but hey, to each his own. I saw them a few weeks ago at a street fest and they put on a good show, adding a little more distortion and energy to their sound. They were even throwing out crane game toys they won the night before out to the crowd between songs. Go see them if you get a chance. They're playing a free show tonite in Chicago but I probably won't be able to make it  |
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Apprentice Guru |
Which album did you listen to nmeiborg?
Gravel here are roughly my two favorite songs from each. Forest City Lovers - Beneath Rocks and Sand Jeremy Messersmith - Beautiful Children |
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Know-It-All |
They must be on a free show kick, I'm seeing them tomorrow night (tonight) on the terrace in Madison. It's going to set me back zero dollars, and in terms of atmosphere at least, it's a hell of a venue. The stage, the lake, the lights.
Anyone who for no reason at all shows up in Madison tomorrow is welcome to join us for the world's best breadsticks at Glass Nickel after the show. |
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Know-It-All |
...i am challenging you on this comment regarding breadsticks. have you been EVERYWHERE in the world? i'm kidding, of course. okay, so i gave this album a full listen, and i must say that it is a well done pop-rock record. it really is. he has good lyrics and their melodies are nice. it's one of the better ones i've heard in the past few years. that being said, while i can appreciate good pop-rock, i usually get bored after a few listens, even when they're good...i often do with songs that have more traditional song structures and melodies that are familiar (the melodies are good, i'm not saying they aren't...they're just too familiar...like, i can't say they are ripping off another band, but it sounds very familiar, which isn't always bad...occasionally, that's exactly what i want to hear). my only real criticism is that the dude's voice sounds a little like the guy from counting crows. it doesn't ruin it for me (and it's certainly not the fault of the frightened rabbits singer, as i'm sure counting crows aren't any kind of influence, and other than the voice, they don't sound anything like counting crows), because he does have a good voice. it's just that when i hear it, it's hard for me to not think of some whiny counting crows song. |
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Know-It-All |
If Duritz were Scottish and tended toward sincerity and self-deprecation instead of self-glorification masquerading as sincerity and self-deprecation he might sound a bit like Scott Hutchison. That comparison is approximately eighteen times as valid as the Incubus one.
RSG aptly explained why comparing the specific qualities of one voice to another doesn't violate my principles. Also, using other bands as touchstones in order to helpfully describe or recommend a band isn't in violation either. It's not the most exact method, but I use it myself in my forgotten Reigning Sound thread (one example). Qualifying a band comparison is one slightly better way to go about it - take these passages from reviews of the Meadowlands (an album some of you might have already heard is pretty good): "I hear a Neil Young refusing to luxuriate in his melancholy, a young David Byrne shorn of his Joe College smart-aleckery, Springsteen minus the melodrama or even a grownup Kurt Cobain resigned to pursuing his art through the blue-collar wasteland." NOT BAD "It was like watching the Clash play a set of Gang of Four songs on steroids" (minor digression: When was the last time you heard professional academic types from magazines and newspapers use analogies that ecstatic, that desperate to express how in love they are with a band or album? It's not a coincidence - some people don't even realize how much this goddamn record affects them) Anyway, that's the flipside to this whole thing. Every obnoxious, pretentious trope in hipster culture and music journalism can be modified and appropriated in the service of Good. It gives one hope. EDIT As far as the breadsticks go -- there's this half-decent book I read in high school called A Prayer for Owen Meany. In it this girl named Hester says something like "If there's a bigger penis in the world, I don't want to know about it." That's kind of how I feel about these breadsticks. |
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Jedi |
Do you mean me? |
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Know-It-All |
i ready the prayer for owen meany, but i don't remember that line. definitely hilarious. yeah, by no means, was i trying to say that they or he sound like counting crows. his lyrics are certainly infinitely better (from the little i've heard of counting crows radio songs), and his melodies are likewise. i was just commenting that the tone quality of his voice is somewhat reminiscent (sp?). that being said, it definitely works with frightened rabbit songs. like i said in my previous post, it's a good album. they're good at what they do. it's just probably not something i'd go back and give repeated listens. back to the thread....again. i like us all getting along again. |
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Apprentice Guru |
These guys were on my "to check out" list like 2 years ago because they're on In The Red Records (are they still?)... What do they sound like? I imagine garage-rock, but you seem to give much more in-depth descriptions, so that may help me decide if i want to re-ignite my interest in these guys. I got a new computer, and Frightened Rabbit (which was previously deleted from my other computer) somehow managed to make it to my new computer... So i listened to the album because of this thread, and realized that this is a quite unique album musically. They have that delicate feel to them (which contradicts the Twilight Sad comparison), but also have some definite tension building with the lyrical messages and delivery coupled with their acoustic/live feeling instrumental builds. I kinda like it, it's not as much a driving album as i would like (as in both meanings, something i want to listen to while driving and something that drives me to a kind of musical elation), but it works as a strictly-headphones affair when i want something kind of different than my typical fare. |
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Know-It-All |
I think maybe I confused Spencer and RSG. My bad
I missed the damn rabbits at the terrace. They were OPENING for Oxford Collapse. Well, playing before anyway. Missed them entirely. Oxford Collapse was alright, they looked about eleven years old. The bass player/vocalist is homely as hell Reigning Sound are basically the shit. Not really garage rock, but a (sometimes lo-fi kinda) retro hard rock/soul. They've got kinda of a real even 50s throwback sound sometimes, but they're raw as hell elsewhere. Then they've got entire albums of like quiet songwriter type love songs and whatever - top notch in that way as well. Listen to Too Much Guitar and Time Bomb High School |
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Enthusiast |
I don't think you did. I was supporting your statements but also telling you (or anybody trying to make a point) that insulting another completely destroys any merit you might have had. It pays to kill anyone who has information. |
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Jedi |
Nah, we're referring back to this bit:
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
This band is still being discussed? Can't anybody go back 20-30 years ago to listen to something "new"? Maybe I'll bring up, again, who I'm talking about, but the results seem pointless. Sorry. "Love the one you're with" - Stephen Stills
"Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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