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Know-It-All |
Uhh...they're essentially Radiohead with Fallout Boy sensibility. Buzz Lightyear makes music? Sign me up! |
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Jedi |
Yeah, Radiohead is probably my all time favorite band, and I still think they are overrated. People just automatically fall over their music. Personally, I liked their last time albums, but I didn't think they were all that hot. It reminds me a lot of the way people hold the Beatles up. Everyone knows the Beatles were great, but it's not like they really recorded five of the top ten albums ever made. I'm afraid that someday we might see a top ten list full of Radiohead and the Beatles, which would just be a travesty. |
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Know-It-All |
I dare say that is an accurate statement |
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Apprentice Guru |
Agree and Disagree... Musically, Sgt Peppers is the most overrated album in history other than maybe Pet Sounds, Nevermind, or Nevermind the Bullocks...., but Like those albums, and even more so,...there is no understating it's historical importance and the impact when it hit. White Album and Abbey Road are fine albums, but no longer anywhere close to deserving top ten consideration. Revolver and Rubber Soul however, still sound fresh, vital, and compared to every single album released this year, possess three times the level of top notch material. Revolver remains one of the most ambitiously and consistently eclectic album ever made, and Rubber Soul one of the most Charmingly intimate Rock albums ever made...that they were made with no predecessors to show the way is even more astonishing. So while I don't believe the Beatles Deserve the Five Top ten mentions that often occur in the major critic polls, the definitely deserve two. Radiohead is not at the same level...While several of their albums deserve serious top 100/200 all time consideration, only OK Computer is a bona fide front to back masterpiece. And for a bit of perspective, here's my own personal top ten. 1. Velvet Underground and Nico. 2. Astral Weeks - Van Morrison. 3. Are You Experienced - Jimi Hendrix 4. OK Computer - Radiohead. 5. Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan 6. London Calling - the Clash. 7. Rubber Soul - The Beatles. 8. Exile on Main Street - Stones. 9. White Light, White Heat - Velvet Underground. 10. Safe as Milk - Captain Beefheart. |
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Apprentice Guru |
Excuse the Double Post - Forever Changes by Love should actually move into my 10 spot, Beefheart goes to 11
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Jedi |
sweeet i knew it. |
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Jedi |
The funny thing is - every time somebody says something like that it only exaggerates the importance of such an album. Just something to think about...
Yep. I think the quality of the lyrics in particular went downhill on Hail to the Thief. I'd be really excited to see them pull off a whopper of a comeback with that johnny ramone quote in mind, but it's gotta knock me on my ass for real. no gimmes. Or at least that's what I like to tell myself. |
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Know-It-All |
I'll second, or in this case third, Bright Eyes. Why do so many people discuss Oberst's greatness when the guy writes the same three songs over and over again? How many times do we, as listeners, have to listen to his whining about, well, life? Hipster Emo, that's what I call Bright Eyes.
I can't remember if they've been mentioned yet, but The Strokes recieved way too much attention for making a couple decent albums, and it finally wore off once they released one truly bad one. Chalk them up! |
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Slacker |
I actually agree with most of the mentions from everyone, with the exception of Wolf Parade and pre-Good News Modest Mouse. I think they've earned the acclaim.
I blame Connor Oberst for the endless garbage the term emo has come to represent these days. I respect him for being internationally known when he was only 17 or whatever, but his music has always grated on my nerves. Just to throw out some more that spring to my mind. Then: Jawbreaker - Decent, but extremely overrated in their heyday. ArcWelder - Even though I owned two of their albums, they sucked. Yet for some reason, they were one of the most accessible and widely known indie bands of the early-mid 90's. Blonde Redhead - It was hard not to read an article or two about them for a while in indie mags, or hear people praising them through word of mouth, even though they really weren't making music that was that noteworthy. Tortoise - Different enough at the time to stir up excessive hype that led "post-rock" to a point of temporarily dominated the forefront of indie music for years. In reality they were really a bit on the boring and forgettable side, as were many of the semi-experimental post-rock cohorts of the time. Now: Aids Wolf - Come on people, you're better than that. Flashy, annoying hipster fuel and little more than that. Devendra Banhart - Willing to be he'll disappear after people get over the super, folk hippy, from hell shtick wears thin and your left with music that sucked when it was being done 40 years ago. TV On the Radio - 1 1/2 decent albums shouldn't be enough to warrant the wide-spread praise and admiration they've garnered IMO. The Walkmen - See above. It's kind of novel that the singer sounds like a cooler version of Rod Stewart, but their music is still pretty lackluster. GrandDaddy - I just don't get it, even after trying to really force myself to for several years. Maybe it's just me, but there seems to be a pattern among listeners of independant music...especially these days, to latch onto style over content that's a bit disturbing. Most of the overhyped bands today, you can pick out a distinguishing hipster friendly feature that rarely has anything to do with how good or interesting their music really is and realize why they have a lot of attention. Singers who get naked, bands that sound excessively delicate, wears really expensive fashions, etc. It would be nice not to have to wade through so much BS when trying to discover people who are making truly attention-worthy music. |
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Jedi |
Jesus, that's cynical. I come here to find new music, that's it. I might take a shot at a band I don't like every once and a while for fun, but I just don't think that I (or you or anyone else) have the right or the ability to judge the reasons for other's musical tastes. For example, I have no idea why anyone would want to listen to mainstream rap, but a lot of my friends do, and I just leave them be. |
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Jedi |
L.R. has a good point!
 "Violence, she solved everything" |
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Slacker |
Why doesn't anyone have the right to judge other people's musical tastes? There are people who like things for reasons I--and probably you, if you'd admit it--find to be shallow or trite. I generally avoid passing judgement on other people's tastes and can usually see why something might appeal to someone else even though I might not like it. Still, there is often a pattern of style over substance in most forms of music that's a bit bloated and overrated today though. It's rampant in mainstream music and becoming more and more prevalent in independant music as well. Flashy gimmicks and temporary fads in music are lame. To pretend that's not the case would be ignorance for the sake of ignorance. Sorry if it sounded a bit harsh, but that little rant had been building for many years. |
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Jedi |
I'm not sure how you're judging that this trend is becoming more prevalent. When was style less of an issue for the popularity of music as you see it? |
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Jedi |
Vitunkrapula is right. Style and music have been inextricably linked for a very long time. The fifties, with cars, music, drive-ins, etc., the seventies with hippie dress and drugs, the nineties with grunge and hip-hop... And I really don't see a problem with that. Personally, I listen to music that pleases my ear and my mind. That's it. I don't give a second thought to the "look" or "style" of a band. That's why I have no more problem listening to the raging and angry hardcore of Black Flag than I do the "precious" and "baroque" indie-pop of Sufjan Stevens. But I still find it funny to chill with my friends while listening to the Notorious BIG and shout out the choice lines (N****, I'm getting high, getting head on the beach!) and reveling in the fact that I am a skinny white loser... Basically my point is that music can serve whatever purpose you want it to: to make you look or feel cool, to stimulate your mind, to make you feel happy, sad, or introspective, or to find common bonds with people that have similar tastes. Just sit back, man, and enjoy it. And if you still want to judge other people's musical taste, then please do so quietly and (sorry for saying this) shut the fuck up. And get a few more posts before doing so, at the very least. |
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"Forum Moderator" Jedi |
We don't rate people's contributions by the number of posts around here. Now Playing: The Daily Source Code |
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Know-It-All |
I agree with L.R. William Spencer. The music that you listen to is your own business, and if it sounds good to you, then you should listen to it. That's why I don't regret any of the lousy (in retrospect) albums that I have bought in the past, because it represents who I was at the time when I was into them.
I may talk negatively about bands here and there, but I have nothing against the people who like them, and I refuse to attack people's individual taste in music. The only time I have a problem with someone's taste in music is when it's decided by society, instead of their ears. So when the person next to me at the stoplight is playing "My Humps," yeah, I have a problem with that. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I don't know know about you, but it seems like the whole point of this thread is to crap on other peoples' musical tastes. I also was unaware we could play the "# of posts" card... Thanks for the tip! ----- People claim I'm possessed by the devil, but mama, I know I'm possessed by your daughter. |
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Know-It-All |
I thought it was merely a vehicle for you to describe bands that YOU find over-rated, not ridicule those who disagree with you. L.R., I was with you until the # of post's quip. Chet doesn't even 25 posts, but undoubtedly will get the respect of those who visit this forum, due to his activity in the music community (CMG). |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I guess I didn't see Rockalypse's post as being that harsh. It certainly wasn't a personal attack on anyone. All he did was comment that a lot of indie music is style over substance. As to the accuracy of that statement, that's debatable (personally, I think it can be true in any genre), but I didn't think it warranted LR's "Shut the fuck up" statement. And by the way, I thought Rockalypse was totally wrong about Bright Eyes, Devendra Banhart, TV on the Radio, and The Walkmen. ----- People claim I'm possessed by the devil, but mama, I know I'm possessed by your daughter. |
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Know-It-All |
Yeah, I think what he said in that list was wrong (except for Bright Eyes), granted LR was harsh, but I do think it was warranted, I mean it's not like this was the first post that flat out attacked people... Anyone remember this post by EatThePoor?
Now he makes a point, but definitely didn't back it up well, he just pointed the finger, which is really how Rockalypse came off to me. I'm not attacking them or "calling them out," but I'm just saying that I was annoyed when I read both of those posts, and I'd bet that's what LR was thinking too. |
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