Once again, all of these conversation possibilities have been exhausted pages and pages ago. I say we just nip it in the bud and spend our time discussing more pertinent things, like, hmmm, I don't know, music we like, not music we feel compelled to criticize and criticize others for liking.
Originally posted by CleverName84: Oh YEAH!!! Well Bright Eyes are overrated!!
TAKE THAT mon frere.
hahaha.
never been a big bright eyes fan, but i do respect that for the most part conor is a talented musician who surrounds himself with other capable musicians.
however, i feel that his early stuff is god awful - emo-poetry mascarading as heartfelt folk.
Take a look at how long ago brighteyes215's handle was created... I believe (s)he has mentioned that (s)he's not nearly as big of a fan as (s)he used to be.
I was just messing around, but the more i think about it, I would have to say Bright Eyes is overrated... Not so much anymore, his hype kind of faded as he got older and stuff, but i hate Conor Oberst so perhaps i am a bit tainted in that opinion.
Don't take offense Mr./Mrs. brighteyes215, i was only joshing.
I'm in search of the most overrated band ever, does anyone have any ideas? Anyone who says Beatles will get hurt.
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Originally posted by CleverName84: I'm in search of the most overrated band ever, does anyone have any ideas? Anyone who says Beatles will get hurt.
In terms of the mass public, it would have to be Aerosmith. I honestly don't know how anyone can stand to listen to anything they have put out in the last 20 years...and yet they just keep churning out crap and going multi-platinum.
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In terms of the mass public, it would have to be Aerosmith. I honestly don't know how anyone can stand to listen to anything they have put out in the last 20 years...and yet they just keep churning out crap and going multi-platinum.
GREAT CALL!!!! Man Steven Tyler is a douche.
I think Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sublime are up there as well. U2 is horrifically overrated even though they actually were great at one point in time... Oh god, remember when everyone (in the mainstream press at least) was saying that Green Day's American Idiot was this generation's response to Tommy? Man are they a bunch of overrated hacks.
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In terms of the mass public, it would have to be Aerosmith. I honestly don't know how anyone can stand to listen to anything they have put out in the last 20 years...and yet they just keep churning out crap and going multi-platinum.
GREAT CALL!!!! Man Steven Tyler is a douche.
I think Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sublime are up there as well. U2 is horrifically overrated even though they actually were great at one point in time... Oh god, remember when everyone (in the mainstream press at least) was saying that Green Day's American Idiot was this generation's response to Tommy? Man are they a bunch of overrated hacks.
i don't know anyone worth their salt that would claim rhcp or sublime were great bands. rhcp have never been critically acclaimed, and i think most people tend to write off sublime as menial stoner ska. yes, both these bands have huge fan bases, but that doesn't make them overrated.
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Things have obviously changed a bit in Aerosmith and the Chilis.
There's not enough room for all the indie bands who have been overrated over the years. Indie as a 'style of music' (a hotly debated definition) relies more on bands being hyped as the next big thing than any other genre. Consequently, there have been a lot of industry casualties who fell by the wayside in the 'build 'em up, knock 'em down' aesthetic expressed by journalists who love this sort of thing.
There are TONS of over-hyped indie bands to choose from. Come on! - doesn't anyone remember Starsailor or Andrew WK? There must be someone who recalls the bland-tastic strains of Embrace? (Once dubbed 'the new Oasis'). Oasis were pretty bad in the first place!
I'm no great wealth of knowledge on Indie, but you lot must know thousands of these bands!
In terms of the mass public, it would have to be Aerosmith. I honestly don't know how anyone can stand to listen to anything they have put out in the last 20 years...and yet they just keep churning out crap and going multi-platinum.
GREAT CALL!!!! Man Steven Tyler is a douche.
I think Red Hot Chili Peppers and Sublime are up there as well. U2 is horrifically overrated even though they actually were great at one point in time... Oh god, remember when everyone (in the mainstream press at least) was saying that Green Day's American Idiot was this generation's response to Tommy? Man are they a bunch of overrated hacks.
How come you're spouting off about mainstream bands in the indie forum? There is plenty of mainstream bashing in every other forum on the site. Shouldn't this be about overrated "indie" bands?
Edit: Duncan beat me to it.
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Actually I made a slight error. I foolishly assumed this was a new thread and have subsequently located the other 16 pages of stuff about Sonic Youth, Death Cab for Cutie and Coldplay. I can now see why they are discussing Aerosmith - 17 pages covers a lot of stuff.
I'm spouting off on mainstream bands because it's fun to... I apologize, but at least i'm not talking about food or clothes or something completely divergent from music in this thread (i've seen that elsewhere).
People think Sonic Youth are overrated? That's like claiming the Stones were overrated... well, maybe not.
I thought Sound of Silver was overrated because the 2-disc self-titled i thought was much more varied and interesting... It seemed like a bit of a belated applause for a man whose influence keeps growing.
The Rapture were overhyped but fizzled out incredibly. Man that was funny.
I always thought Devendra Banhart was horrifically overrated.
Same goes for Joanna Newsom... I just couldn't understand her appeal, can someone explain it to me?
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Originally posted by CleverName84: Same goes for Joanna Newsom... I just couldn't understand her appeal, can someone explain it to me?
gorgeous orchestrations and arrangements, interesting manipulation of song construction, great lyrics, great analog production.
i can understand that people may not like her voice, or find her style overly-precious, but i don't know how that would make her over-rated. i think respect is due, even if you don't care for her (in the same way that i respect the more recent bright eyes releases, even if i do not care for them, as i had mentioned earlier).
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Hmmm... Perhaps overly-precious is a perfect way to put it. I can't put my finger on it, so maybe she's less overrated and more representative of something i don't "get" that others do, so in an effort to look cool i simply stated that she's overrated.
Anyway, I will give her another shot at some point, i just couldn't get into it and couldn't see myself getting into it later on... Perhaps i will feel differently now about her.
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Originally posted by CleverName84: I was just messing around, but the more i think about it, I would have to say Bright Eyes is overrated... Not so much anymore, his hype kind of faded as he got older and stuff, but i hate Conor Oberst so perhaps i am a bit tainted in that opinion.
Don't take offense Mr./Mrs. brighteyes215, i was only joshing.
It's a Mr. but seriously, I should just change my name. Because this name basically discredits most comments I make critically. It's always like "Wow, you're one to talk Mr. I Love Conor" The truth is I can't stand Bright Eyes on so many levels, and in fact Conor Oberst is a selfish douche-bag of the top order. Now that someone has probably read this and wondered why anyone would care, I will go change my name to Debaser. Thank you, one and all. On topic though, how bout those fellas in Sigur Ros. Just kidding, I don't have any beef with them. But if I hear one more "Hoppipola inspired me to tears" tirade, I'll take the course of those old people in the music video; Laying down some serious old-people like carnage. It'll be mildly inconveniencing.
Originally posted by Duncan Black: There are TONS of over-hyped indie bands to choose from. Come on! - doesn't anyone remember Starsailor or Andrew WK?
Starsailor's lame, but a couple of my friends would argue Andrew W.K. with you to the death. I still haven't been convinced myself, but he did do an amazing job producing the latest Sightings record... anyway I think it's definitely a campy appeal - that and the testicular little kid-awesomeness (my hypothesis to their words, not actually my words) that comes with close calls with brick walls.
Originally posted by brighteyes215: It's a Mr. but seriously, I should just change my name. Because this name basically discredits most comments I make critically. It's always like "Wow, you're one to talk Mr. I Love Conor" The truth is I can't stand Bright Eyes on so many levels, and in fact Conor Oberst is a selfish douche-bag of the top order. Now that someone has probably read this and wondered why anyone would care, I will go change my name to Debaser. Thank you, one and all. On topic though, how bout those fellas in Sigur Ros. Just kidding, I don't have any beef with them. But if I hear one more "Hoppipola inspired me to tears" tirade, I'll take the course of those old people in the music video; Laying down some serious old-people like carnage. It'll be mildly inconveniencing.
I don't really read too much into people's names on this thing, so don't worry about it.
Anyway, i might go ahead and say Sigur Ros are overrated. Other than Aegetis Bydjklhsdfklj (someone can spell it for me), i can't really think of anything too amazing they've done ... as an entire album that is, i don't like sifting through 10-minute songs to find interesting parts and passages, though they exist on all their subsequent albums.
I think Modest Mouse are overrated (even in their prime and not as a kind of backlash against their popularity ... even though that is so 4 years ago now). I didn't really consider Lonesome Crowded West or The Moon & Antarctica to be classics like they've been regarded. In fact, i think they are just well-executed evolutions. I was having this discussion with someone the other day, and i said that if Isaac Brock didn't play guitar, i would hate Modest Mouse (something about the whole "I-can't-sing-but-that's-the-point" is offset by the fact that he writes good music). In essence, i think their music and lyrics overshadow the vocals, and i just can't swallow those vocals at times. Believe me, i've tried and tried again. Maybe the reason i think Clap Your Hands Say Yeah are overrated is because the dude absolutely can't sing but also doesn't add anything else to the band... lazy bastard.
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Originally posted by brighteyes215: It's a Mr. but seriously, I should just change my name. Because this name basically discredits most comments I make critically. It's always like "Wow, you're one to talk Mr. I Love Conor" The truth is I can't stand Bright Eyes on so many levels, and in fact Conor Oberst is a selfish douche-bag of the top order. Now that someone has probably read this and wondered why anyone would care, I will go change my name to Debaser. Thank you, one and all. On topic though, how bout those fellas in Sigur Ros. Just kidding, I don't have any beef with them. But if I hear one more "Hoppipola inspired me to tears" tirade, I'll take the course of those old people in the music video; Laying down some serious old-people like carnage. It'll be mildly inconveniencing.
I don't really read too much into people's names on this thing, so don't worry about it.
Anyway, i might go ahead and say Sigur Ros are overrated. Other than Aegetis Bydjklhsdfklj (someone can spell it for me), i can't really think of anything too amazing they've done ... as an entire album that is, i don't like sifting through 10-minute songs to find interesting parts and passages, though they exist on all their subsequent albums.
I think Modest Mouse are overrated (even in their prime and not as a kind of backlash against their popularity ... even though that is so 4 years ago now). I didn't really consider Lonesome Crowded West or The Moon & Antarctica to be classics like they've been regarded. In fact, i think they are just well-executed evolutions. I was having this discussion with someone the other day, and i said that if Isaac Brock didn't play guitar, i would hate Modest Mouse (something about the whole "I-can't-sing-but-that's-the-point" is offset by the fact that he writes good music). In essence, i think their music and lyrics overshadow the vocals, and i just can't swallow those vocals at times. Believe me, i've tried and tried again. Maybe the reason i think Clap Your Hands Say Yeah are overrated is because the dude absolutely can't sing but also doesn't add anything else to the band... lazy bastard.
I would say these are two bands that deserve the hype.
The brackets album (), hell even takk was awesome for sigur ros. And, as far as the "i don't like sifting through 10-minute songs to find interesting parts and passages" comment, couldn't you say about any post rock band? i don't see people on here trying to impune the reputation of mogwai or godspeed, but your comments work equally as well for them. what, specific to sigur ros, actually bothers you?
also, how can modest mouse be overrated when admit that he writes good music? if your preference for different sounding vocals is all that is turning you off to them, don't you think its kind of an overstatement to say they are overrated? even then, the ability to sing does not make the vocalist. sometimes express and original vocal styles are better than people who sing well, but the same as everyone else (dan bejar, spencer krug, bob dylan, etc). i can see how brock's vocals could bug someone, but for that to be the only reason why they are overrated, when you grant that they are talented in all other areas is just odd.
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