I don't understand all of the negative vibes for U2 in this thread.
True, Bono's political stance can get tiresome. But, on the other hand, he's talking about a problem that no one else is - and he's right. How else is the third world going to improve their standards of living if first world nations don't relieve their debt. And, he does it well. Come on people, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize!
Plus, I don't think that his politics have affected U2's music. They've always had political themes, and many of their new songs could be placed pretty seamlessly on The Joshua Trea or Achtung Baby.
True, U2's last two albums were not consistent. They were both about 50% brilliant and 50% crap. In fact, I think you could make a killer album out of the two. Call it "All the Nuclear Bombs You Can't Dismantle." The Track list would go something like this:
1. Vertigo 2. Beautiful Day 3. Sometimes You Can't Make It on Your Own 4. Walk On 5. Elevation 6. Miracle Drug 7. City of Blinding Lights 8. Kite 9. All Because of You 10. Stuck in a Moment You Can't Get Out Of 11. In a Little While 12. Origianl of the Species 13. When I Look at the World
If U2 had put out an album like that, would you still call them overrated?
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Mogwai's early stuff - It isn't that much greater than their later stuff like every review says.
you're insane.
I agree with the first guy. I like Mogwai's more recent stuff better. I've never heard their second one though, Come On, Die Young. Is that one very good?
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Radiohead - Just cause they use weird chord changes in their music doesnt make 'em the best band of the '90s.
Pixies - After the first two albums whats their to rave about?
Fugazi - Critically worshipped band and Ive never understood why personally.
Devendra Banhart - Technically not a band but the guy has become every music critics darling who think he's a unique artist when all he's doing is copying Marc Bolan's pre-pop vocal stylings and nonsensical lyrical approach.
Black Keys - Went to see them based on hearing Rubber Factory and reading that theyre one of the best live bands around. No speaking, no interracting with audience, no point in me going. I could have stayed at home and heard the songs and with better clarity too.
The Fall - Good band yes, great band no.
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Originally posted by Moon Pix: Radiohead - Just cause they use weird chord changes in their music doesnt make 'em the best band of the '90s.
Pixies - After the first two albums whats their to rave about?
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I'm sure you expected a response re your RH comment! Your statement is in fact completely correct - their tricky chord changes do not make them the band of the 90s - it is their collective talent for crafting raging spiritual energy into soaring tighly wound anthems that makes them one of the premier bands of recent times.
As for the Pixies write off - Bossanova had its joys, but do know what are referring to. Trouble is that there are just so many truly great bands that have only one or two great albums in them;nirvana, love, smashing pumpkins, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground - need I go on?
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Originally posted by TigerG: so many truly great bands that have only one or two great albums in them;nirvana, love, smashing pumpkins, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground - need I go on?
I wouldnt really agree with you on the Velvets. Didnt you like the third album or those two live albums from 1969?
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Originally posted by TigerG: so many truly great bands that have only one or two great albums in them;nirvana, love, smashing pumpkins, jesus and mary chain, velvet underground - need I go on?
I wouldnt really agree with you on the Velvets. Didnt you like the third album or those two live albums from 1969?
Live albums don't count in this context. And yes I did like the third album very much - it is their second I am largely 'meh' about (trying far too hard).
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Posts: 145 | Location: Sydney, Australia | Registered: 07 January 2007
Trompe Le Monde is an amazing record, period. I dare you to say it isn't up there with the Pixies best stuff.
And I enjoy nearly everything the Velvets did, most of all White Light/White Heat and the S/T with Nico, although The Velvet Underground and Loaded are still highly relevant, artistic achievements in their own right.
In my opinion some really overrated bands who I'm sick of hearing about are Junior Boys, Bloc Party, Sonic Youth, Decemberists, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Deerhoof and Klaxons.
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Originally posted by The Ninth Wave: In my opinion some really overrated bands who I'm sick of hearing about are Junior Boys, Bloc Party, Sonic Youth, Decemberists, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Deerhoof and Klaxons.
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If you are tired of hearing about Sonic Youth, then I can imagine the last 25 years have been complete hell for you.
it is their collective talent for crafting raging spiritual energy into soaring tighly wound anthems that makes them one of the premier bands of recent times.
um, I think this is some overrating happening as we speak. This may be a bad call on my part, but I think that Radiohead really just makes music. I don't think there is any such thing as this 'raging spiritual energy' that RH keeps in the closet or something for the purpose of 'crafting' into 'soaring, tightly wound anthems.' Is the secret of RH's success that they found the secret of how to wind their anthems more tightly than anyone else? What does that even mean?
I was watching these Kevin Shields interviews on youtube where he was talking about how he didn't understand what reviews of loveless were talking about with the mountains of hyperbole (heh.).
In plainer terms - when people get excited about things they tend to throw caution and good sense out the window in talking about whatever they are excited about. For example, you can hardly ever find a review of Loveless without the catch phrase 'studio trickery' or some related term. But Shields protests in one of the interviews that the vast majority of what he was aiming at was achieved mainly by the whammy bar. Which makes a lot more sense now that I listen to live MBV stuff as well as Loveless. That's not to say the album doesn't knock me on my ass anymore, but it does raise my guard to the music press. If you aren't at least a little cautious when you read reviews, you may end up with some incomprehensible spittle flying out your mouth.
Originally posted by CouldBAnyone: Trompe Le Monde is an amazing record, period. I dare you to say it isn't up there with the Pixies best stuff.
I'll say it. There are a few good tracks (one of which is a cover of a Jesus and Mary Chain song), but it's nowhere near as solid as their three previous albums. I also hate the production. It seemed like Frank Black was trying to adopt a heavier and somewhat slicker sound to fit in with the booming alternative rock movement, but it lacks the rough charm that made their earlier stuff stand out.
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I'm sick of hearing about Junior Boys, Bloc Party, Sonic Youth, Decemberists, Clap Your Hands Say Yeah, Deerhoof.
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Yeah, I pretty much agree with these. Deerhoof especially. I can't stand that voice. Clap Your Hands Say Yeah is just kind of annoying to me. As for Sonic Youth - they may have made some great albums, which I don't like personally, but their last album really wasn't that good.
Others: The Shins The Hold Steady Morrissey/The Smiths Yo La Tengo Beck Modest Mouse
I'm sure there are more, but that's just off the top of my head.
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Man, when will this ridiculous concept of overrated bands end! I mean sure you can say you don't like a band, although I would say that to not like Yo La Tengo is pretty inexplicable( that coming from a fan boys opinion, so take it for what it is.) But to call them overrated! I mean if their's one band that's hardly know ENOUGH is Yo La Tengo! I mean even if they are overrated, which I obviously don't think they are, many don't even know their vast catalog, which has multiple forays into different styles, all with that unique Yo La Tengo-ness, to even make such a judgement. And if anyone says "Our Way to Fall" or "Sugarcube" or "Big Day Coming" or " I Heard You Looking" aren't good songs, well, I just wouldn't know WHAT to believe anymore...
Originally posted by brighteyes215: Man, when will this ridiculous concept of overrated bands end! I mean sure you can say you don't like a band, although I would say that to not like Yo La Tengo is pretty inexplicable( that coming from a fan boys opinion, so take it for what it is.) But to call them overrated! I mean if their's one band that's hardly know ENOUGH is Yo La Tengo! I mean even if they are overrated, which I obviously don't think they are, many don't even know their vast catalog, which has multiple forays into different styles, all with that unique Yo La Tengo-ness, to even make such a judgement. And if anyone says "Our Way to Fall" or "Sugarcube" or "Big Day Coming" or " I Heard You Looking" aren't good songs, well, I just wouldn't know WHAT to believe anymore...
I didn't mean to insult them, or say they don't have good songs. I personally believe that they are overrated, however. It's just my opinion.
And being overrated isn't really a ridiculous concept. Tons of popular music, i.e. stuff played on the radio, is overrated.
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