I love GbV but I always felt that Robert Pollard would probably still be teaching English if Pavement hadn't come along and invented Lo-fi.
Invented? Isn't that kinda like saying Nirvana invented grunge? Pavement might have been one of the first bands that were explicitely called "lo-fi" (I'm not sure if that's true) but they certainly didn't invent the sound. That's like saying Newton "invented" gravity. It was there all along, so it was wasn't really invented. It was just...umm, identified.
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so when is someone going to pick up and run with Beefheart's legacy (a goldmine that has laid relatively untapped for the last 35 years)?
Have you heard Man Man?
yeah definitely Man Man. if you like Beefheart, you should definitely check out US Maple. they basically said they're trying to carry the Beefheart torch. their album Acre Thrills is a thrilling, jumbled mess. that being said, i think i'm getting off the subject. sorry!
Originally posted by paddy T: Radiohead - Kid A (2000) ?
Thom Yorke will be the first to admit that this album wouldn't have happen if not the Richard D James AKA Aphex Twin ground breaking "IDM" artist.
And let's not kid ourselves here - Radiohead is not and has never been an "indie" band. Taking commercial risks doesn't make you indie - imagine how ludicrous it would sound if we categorized U2 as an indie band based on Achtung Baby. This isn't the place to get into "meta-musical" argumentation, but I do think there are bands who are clearly indie and bands who are clearly not indie. Radiohead falls into the latter category.
Originally posted by odysseyandoracle: This isn't the place to get into "meta-musical" argumentation, but I do think there are bands who are clearly indie and bands who are clearly not indie. Radiohead falls into the latter category.
This is a valid point. We have to be able to draw the line somewhere. The title of the thread is "most influential indie records...". I think that exclude albums by certain bands that are clearly not indie. For instance Oasis, Beck, U2, REM, Beastie Boys, etc. don't fit that description.
The third post in this thread mentions Sonic Youth.
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Originally posted by jonathanbrisby: [QUOTE]so when is someone going to pick up and run with Beefheart's legacy (a goldmine that has laid relatively untapped for the last 35 years)?
two words TOM WAITS
Waits meet Kathleen Brennan on the set of one of from the heart she introduced him to Captain Beefheart thus Swordfishtrombones was born....
also PJ Harvey massive fan... look at some of the ppl she has worked with, Eric Feldman...
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so when is someone going to pick up and run with Beefheart's legacy (a goldmine that has laid relatively untapped for the last 35 years)?
Have you heard Man Man?
yeah definitely Man Man. if you like Beefheart, you should definitely check out US Maple. they basically said they're trying to carry the Beefheart torch. their album Acre Thrills is a thrilling, jumbled mess. that being said, i think i'm getting off the subject. sorry!
Hellyeah! I fuggin love Acre Thrills. Their earlier stuff is touted by some, but this home video Acre Thrills recording documentary really gave me a key to unlocking their magic.
The thing about copping beefheart is - it's kinda hard! Even Van Vliet himself had to beat his vision into his band to get it to work (How do you get your musicians to play your music? VV: With a whip. A kind whip. A kind quip...etc).
I think the main thrust of van Vliet's influence on music has to do with finding courage to do shit that hasn't been tried before. So it can come out in ways that sound nothing like his recordings, which is just as well if not better as I see it.
I did hear a couple bits of what I thought were beefheartesque guitar on Blitzen Trapper tho...
in this fascinating youtube interview, the interviewer mentions Blondie, the B-52s, and Public Image Ltd. as followers of Beefheart who have taken on a "very specific way of playing the guitars, playing drums and structuring melodies." Now I dunno how much of that I can swallow, but whatever. Beefheart then goes on to demand that these guys 'pay pay pay pay' for what they've taken. silly bastard.
But I think it's maybe a good thing that people by and large haven't taken up his particular cross. His music wouldn't be so special if that were the case. And it goes the other way too - if he hadn't made such original music, it probably would've been easier for people to reverse engineer it.
It's pretty hard to call influence on recent albums, but I can certainly see Arcade Fire ending up an influential band if only because their first two records are very good. Plus they're one of the most popular indie bands around at the moment, so many people are hearing them. Modest Mouse's influence can already be heard in some recent acts, most obviously in the vocals of Spencer Krug.
Weezer is a good choice. Their first two records had influence on emo (for better or for worse) and lo-fi for sure. Plus The Blue Album is just an all around great record. It's one of my all-time favorites.
The first thing that jumped into my head was Murmer, but then I realized it was the past 20 years! If I had to pick one, I might go with The Stone Roses. This one basically was the roadmap for rock in UK in the 90's. Britpop owes its ass to The Stone Roses.
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Yeah, but The Stone Roses (at least on their first album) were better than any other britpop band since.
I can't argue with that. The Stone Roses did a great job of using pretty slick 80s production while maintaining a generally timeless sound. The Stone Roses was really the transitional record from the 80s to the 90s in England. It used the techniques of its time to great success, but was also different enough to start something new there. Although not nearly as popular upon its release, I think Doolittle does the same thing. It uses some great 80s production while at the similtaneously predicating the sound of the 90s in the States.
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Posts: 569 | Location: Chicago, IL | Registered: 14 December 2007
Originally posted by benjiru: Yeah, but The Stone Roses (at least on their first album) were better than any other britpop band since.
Arguable. Personally, I'd still take Park Life and Different Class, and maybe even His 'n' Hers before The Stone Roses.
I probably like the Stone Roses more than Pulp or Blur, but when I think of SR, I don't immediately think "Brit Pop." They were more closely aligned to the rave or 'baggy' scenes. I know, I know, I'm a genre nazi. Sorry.
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"This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician?
What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob
Posts: 1996 | Location: The Noog, TN | Registered: 08 April 2007
I feel that peoples opinion of what an indie band is is 'a-band-that-i-like-that-isn't-too-pop,or-my-parents-dont-listen-to'.
Even wiki has a better grasp of the genres than most of you. And for that whenever you go to post a band here from now on double check your retarded ass with wiki. Ensures less sad induced head shaking for us readers.
Would you like lies with that?
Posts: 63 | Location: Perth | Registered: 13 November 2006
Daft Punk - Homework & The Orb - The Orb's Adventures Beyond the Ultraworld Alot of the elctronica inspired indie rock and dance music artists of today were inspired by these two records.
