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Originally posted by Jingle Bells, Shadrach Smells:

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Originally posted by Yukon Chamberknelius:
Muse is working on an "electronica" album? Damn, I can't wait.

It's going to be called Child #1. I have a tracklist here.

Child #1
1. I cleaned up my bedroom
2. Child #1
3. The Pledge of Allegiance
4. The way to be completely invisible
5. Roots-for-feet
6. While Bobbing for Apples
7. Discotard
8. Alarm Clock
9. Songs that play in the background of a film

you forgot the track that comes between your song 5 and song 6: pessimistic

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Originally posted by tulis:

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Originally posted by Jingle Bells, Shadrach Smells:

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Originally posted by Yukon Chamberknelius:
Muse is working on an "electronica" album? Damn, I can't wait.

It's going to be called Child #1. I have a tracklist here.

Child #1
1. I cleaned up my bedroom
2. Child #1
3. The Pledge of Allegiance
4. The way to be completely invisible
5. Roots-for-feet
6. While Bobbing for Apples
7. Discotard
8. Alarm Clock
9. Songs that play in the background of a film

you forgot the track that comes between your song 5 and song 6: pessimistic

Good point. How could I have forgotten about Muse's lead single. I like the line in Pessimistic where he sings "You didn't try very hard, and that's why you will never be good enough".

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Originally posted by hudson:

I've said it once, and I'll say it again; if you're under the impression that Muse sound like Radiohead, then you clearly don't know Muse's work, period.

I have a recording of every song that Muse has released, also, I have a recording of every song Radiohead has released. I've also seen both bands several times.

Now, one last time:

THE TWO BANDS DON'T SOUND THE SAME YOU FREAKIN IDIOTS. NOW SHUT UP ABOUT IT!

Muse does not sound like Radiohead. Yorke sounds like Bellamy. The major similitaries end there. Period. It gets so old listening to people write off Muse just because they heard one song and the lead singer sounds like Yorke. bah

I don't really care how many times you say it. If you don't think Muse sounds at least a little similar to Radiohead you are clearly delusional. You sound like a desperate fan trying to prove a point. Easily the biggest similarity is Bellamy's close reenactment of Thom Yorke, specifically on Muse's earlier work. I mean Yorke sounds like Bellamy? Desperate. Bellamy sounds like 1997 Radiohead, and Muse released their first album in 1999 I believe, for those who don't know. Which doesn't include you I'm assuming. So,if you don't believe what you are saying, then why should anyone else? All you have is assertions, so keep repeating them, they mean nothing. In early Muse, Bellamy sounds enough like Yorke to warrant self-parody. However, I am not writing Muse off, I think they are talented. But also, quite lame. Subtlety is a key part in keeping art from getting stale, and Muse seems hell bent on apocalyptic exaggerations all the damn time. Lyrically and thematically, they seem like a parody of Radiohead. Loveably lame perhaps, but lame all the while.

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Originally posted by CouldBAnyone:
However, they MUST abandon their horribly heavy-handed dramatics and tendency to reach an "epic" climax on EVERY SONG. There is a word, "subtlety," that would do Muse a lot of good.

Heh. I can totally see why Muse's approach would turn off many people or lead them to dismiss the band as lame, but I adore them BECAUSE of their dramatics and general apocalyptic over-the-topness, Don't take me wrong, I think that subtlety is a wonderful thing and there are plenty of artists/bands out there who do it well; but I also love music that's totally exaggerated and epic to an almost ridiculous extreme (and makes me want to jump and headbang like an idiot). To me taking that aspect out of Muse would be like taking chocolate out of chocolate cake.

I think it's incorrect to say that there are *no* similarities between Muse and Radiohead, but in terms of overall mood or vibe or whatever you want to call it I think that the two bands are nothing alike. I can't imagine Radiohead ever writing something as fun and silly as "Knights of Cydonia", I don't in fact think that "fun" or "rocking the hell out" was ever in their vocabulary (which is not a slight BTW; Radiohead have their own thing which they do quite brilliantly). I don't agree with it but "Queen-wannabes" is IMO at least a much more accurate moniker for Muse,

Vocal-wise the similarity is strong no doubt but to me the whole matter of which singer was on the scene first is kinda irrelevant; in the end it comes down to pure preference. There's been a whole host of British singers who have been compared to Thom Yorke; I personally would take any of them over Yorke who never did much for me. I think that Bellamy came a long way as a vocalist from their first album; his thin boyish voice on Muse's debut is almost embarrassing to listen to. Nowadays it's richer, fuller, more powerful and bell-like and yikes can this guy wail live.

Oh yeah, and the rumours of a Child #1 are wildly exaggerated; from what I gathered there might be songs on a new album which veer more into electronica/dance music but nothing about a full-on electronic album.

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Note to all flamers: If you are going to join just to call us ignorant, make sure the when you're 'YELLING' at us, that you can spell correctly. Also, coherency is important...oh well.

I would like you (Let me name you shit for brains #1), to realize when I was "YELLING" I was merely mocking your kind :P. It's a sad fact you couldn't realize that, and had nothing else to say but an attempt to take a shot at my grammar. You are a wonderful person.

Anyways,

In my opinion, Muse > Radiohead. That's my opinion, not saying anyone should listen to it. What I am saying though, is that you're an idiot for comparing the two. At least I like Muse, and it may have seemed my post meant that "OMGAR RADIOHEAD ARE TEH SUCK,MUSE ARE TEH OWN." (BTW, I'm mocking you again, don't try and point out any grammatical errors here). But that's not what I meant.

If you don't like Muse, don't bash on them sounding like Radiohead. Get your fucking head out of a box and listen properly and not simplemindedly. Even after people like you try to deface the brilliance that is Muse, they've made it so far. But it's because of you fucks they aren't AS popular as they should be. Always hearing shit like "they're so underrated." Now I know why.

Maybe if you've listened to ALL albums, with intent hearing and not in some retarded fashion, then make your damn opinion on how they sound similar.

For me though, Muse is better. Not saying it's the general statement, but mine. As for comparing the two, take my advice above.

P.S. Smileyface, before you go bashing fans of Muse with your own knowledge, how about you learn some for yourself?

*Hint hint* I've heard that both Yorke and Bellamy are influenced by Jeff Buckley. Maybe - just maybe - that's why to some people they could sound 'similar.'

I mean, if you don't get that, you must be delusional, ..right? ..Well, I think I'll make my appearance in another two months again. Sorry, but dealing with ignorant people isn't always on the top of my list. So, make fun of my posts, curse at me while I'm gone, and wait for me to put you back in place when ever I have the chance.

Gday.

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Originally posted by Andy29:
Even after people like you try to deface the brilliance that is Muse, they've made it so far. But it's because of you fucks they aren't AS popular as they should be. Always hearing shit like "they're so underrated." Now I know why.

Erm that's just silly. Radiohead comparisons or not, Muse are just not going to be everyone's cup of tea, period. They're a proper vegemite band.

Muse are for sure my cup of tea. When Absolution came out, I was convinced Muse was my favorite band. Their earlier work was amazing, and this album in my opinion sounded even better than anything Radiohead had previously come out with.

Since both singers have similar whiney-sounding voices, and because each band likes to explore different avenues with their sounds, it's easy to draw comparisons between the two. (Thus for a long-time Radiohead fan hearing a Muse song for the first time, I personally think it's totally understandable to mistaken Muse for Radiohead and believe this to be their newest contribution to music. In fact, I've seen something similar to this at work when "Falling Away with You" came on the radio a couple months ago and my co-worker thought it might be new Radiohead.) Both take different approaches to separate themselves with pre-existing music, and while it could be said that both bands could potentially come out with each other's music, if you were to take each band's albums and compare them from start to finish, you can tell that the songs have an overall different vibe. Each gives me the impression that I've never heard anything like them before. Stockholm Syndrome, for example, is so over-the-top and intense without ever sounding ugly (in my opinion), which is extremely difficult to do, it's like sophisticated rage. Maybe Radiohead could come up with something like this, but I don't think they would.

Now enter In Rainbows, and the differences between Radiohead and Muse are magnified. In addition to straying from nontraditional sounds, Radiohead has shown once again that they are experimentalists ready to take on completely unique approaches to the form of a song as a whole. And they just pile so many sound layers, it's simply amazing. The album is quite possibly the most refreshing album I feel I've ever heard at any point in my life. Songs like "Jigsaw...", "Weird Fishes", or "Nude" (which I cannot stop playing), have catapulted this album into Absolution territory as far as audio quality in my own humble opinion. It's so relaxing, and more uplifting than their previous work for sure, and it doesn't seem like a style that Muse would ever entertain or could. But that's just fine with me. Muse does their thing better than Radiohead could, and Radiohead, unconcerned, just does their own thing, which makes for two awesome bands with a similar voice but a different feel.

/thanks
-Joe

I love Muse and Radiohead, realpost

To compare Radiohead with any band but Floyd is sin.Muse are sissy whiners and thats all.They can be compared with Coldplay and Oasis at best, but a copycat cant ever be even close to the original.

Is this a serious question/topic/statement? What the hell is wrong with this world? Muse? No offense (and I'm sure some people will get their panties in a bunch) but comparing these two bands is like comparing Picasso to a flaming sac of shit in terms of who has more artistic merit.

Okay, that wasn't really fair, i know... I just thought it was kind of funny to say, so i apologize in advance for offending someone out there. But these bands don't even sound alike in my opinion. Muse could more easily be compared to the Mars Volta or Yes or Rush or something, whereas Radiohead doesn't have any of those qualities.

I don't get it... someone explain how these two bands even sound alike?

One band is all about the big hooks and choruses that pack stadiums (and sounds eerily like A Perfect Circle at times), where the other band pushes the envelope and sounds completely singular (as in no one else can ever sound like them) while paving new frontiers for rock n'roll.

I guess i don't need to say i pick Radiohead, but what really bugs me is how these two bands are ever uttered in the same sentence. Unless you're saying, "GOD, Muse is such a watered-down mongoloid version of Radiohead circa 1997")

Okay, just read this by the village voice and try telling me that didn't hit the nail on the head with MUSE:


They Shoot Unicorns, Don't They?
Behold the U.K.'s paragon of supermassive, overindulgent wankery
by Garrett Kamps
July 25th, 2006 12:00 AM
Muse
Black Holes and Revelations
Warner Bros.

Space. Cradle of infinite curiosity. Swimming pool of Captain James T. Kirk. Womb of . . . Jawas. A frontier both awesome and absurd, encompassing both infinite complexity and an infinite capacity for stupid, stupid shit. And that, friends, will serve as our metaphor for Muse, a chart-topping British band that sounds like someone put a gun to Radiohead's, er, head and forced Thom and co. to rock—no dystopian arty shit, just rock—for 72 hours straight. Muse records are like the last 16 hours of such a grueling They Shoot Horses, Don't They? marathon session, earnest and ambitious to the point of desperation, their songs mangled but rather pretty, like a peacock run over by a Jetta.

But Black Holes and Revelations—specifically its final track—takes rock to Seussian levels of ridiculousness. "Knights of Cydonia" is one of the more fascinating chunks of pop culture to fall from the sky in years, or at least months, or at least days, considering how head-splittingly ephemeral such chunks have become. (Hours?) The song begins with the neighing of horses, the shooting of lasers, and an ominous high-pitched warble that evokes the whistle of a falling bomb. Then there's the choir, followed by the Dick Dale–style guitar wankery, followed by the mariachi horns. There are synths and acoustic guitars and the drummer's galloping beat, all while vocalist Matthew Bellamy shouts at the devil and wields his guitar like a Ghostbuster's proton pack. Let's not even get into the unicorn/robot/cowboy-adorned video. The best part? A buildup so epic it feels like its 1999 and Sasha and Digweed are spinning at Twilo and you're candy-flipping and it's like dah dah dah dah dah dah dah dah until a digital choir of Bellamys declares, a cappella, "No one's going to take me alive!/Time has come to make things right!"

Righteous? Wrongeous.

Remember how George Lucas was always mewling about how the last three Star Wars flicks—the shitty ones—are the movies he wanted to make originally, but the technology wasn't available at the time? Imagine if Styx or ELO said that. Imagine if they were in their prime today. That's Muse, and that's this sloppy, fascinatingly overindulgent album. ELO had a song called "Rockaria!" which they of course intended as literally "rock aria," but we can all agree really means "Rock that's been shat out violently." Update the tech and you get "Knights of Cydonia," the black-holiest of pop songs, like a black hole itself—so massive it's invisible.

I agree with those who say that Muse and Radiohead sound nothing alike. Apart from their singers having similar voices, they're worlds apart from each other.

I personally love both. If I had to pick just one album from the two of them, my choice would be OK Computer, but overall, I think I like Muse more. But that's a silly comparison to make, in my opinion.

I certainly respect muse's musicianship, which is a rare thing in the alternative genre, but regarding taste, I find their music to be way over-the-top, hysterical, insincere, unpleasantly self-conscious and needlessly theatrical - in short, everything that radiohead is NOT. Bellamy mistakes kitsch for passion and complexity for art.

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Originally posted by treefingers:
To compare Radiohead with any band but Floyd is sin.Muse are sissy whiners and thats all.They can be compared with Coldplay and Oasis at best, but a copycat cant ever be even close to the original.

I agree with every word.
Muse is a nice band but they'll never be Radiohead (and it sure looks like they wanna be)
Bellamy is trying to sound suffering and turtured like York and yet he looks like a Boy-Band member.
Radiohead and Pink Floyd are just a few levels above any other band, and that's just it.

Muse are arrogant, TALENT-LESS. TALENT. LESS. TALENTLESS. Eurotrash posers with waxed asses who do expensive drugs they could mever afford without having nearly shed their thin, tainted blood trying to find ways to adulterate and repackage Radiohead's music.

The fact that they've moved somewhat on from doing that ALL of the time to doing things like mixing Prince and Prodigy (see: Supermassive Black Hole...dear Jesus it's like the audio equivalent of drinking the vomit of someone who exists on bad wine and cocaine) does not make them better, it makes them worse.

Muse is one of the most nauseating bands that exists today. Everything about them makes my head hurt. Calling them "evil robotic metrosexual mannequins" is to lavish the kind of excessive flattery on them that is usually reserved for murderous, temperamental dictators.

It's not just his voice, which evokes both arrogance and cowardice, over-confidence and weakness all at once. It's not the craven, disgusting, hollow lyricism like that in "Invincible" - which sounds like some poor girl's manager lulling her into a sense of empowerment and security while he slips something in her drink (the song also includes the same fucking military drum-rolls that have been used in "motivational" or "epic" songs since the beginning of time).

It's not just all that.

It's those guitars. I'd describe the riffs of their more recent work this way: "NIN for club-hopping, fake-tanned, soul-dead bad-music-minions." This isn't just bad, it's probably worse than 90% of what's on popular mainstream radio today.

When people talk about their "instrumental prowess" I'd like to say I laugh. Really I don't laugh or even react. Not outwardly. I just become a little more sad. Inside.

The obnoxiously ostentatious, fake, transparent attempts to display "virtuosity" like in the wankin'-ass intro to "In Your World" should fill anyone who's played guitar for more than three years with contempt and disdain. But Muse is just that vain. They have an obsessive need to create even more of a spectacle of themselves, and to that end they do things like pretend to be good at playing their instruments.

The clear drumset from the video for Starlight is enough to give me a headache on its own.

I want to go on, but then I don't. I don't have a good way to encapsulate it all, but I'll try: listening to Muse is like someone injecting hair product INTO MY BRAIN. But it can't be encapsulated, except maybe in a cyanide capsule. Fuck this band.

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I enjoy Muse as something fun.

I enjoy Radiohead as something truly great.

BlackGravel, as always, your hyperbole is atrociously awesome. I'd really like to hear the popular mainstream radio that you reference - it must consist of 90% Radiohead. You don't write for pitchfork by chance do you?

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Originally posted by BlackGravel:
Muse...

Fuck this band.

None of what you have written makes much sense. Are you sure you haven't already been injecting hair product into your brain?

That's not to say I didn't enjoy your post.

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Originally posted by Borachon:

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Originally posted by BlackGravel:
Muse...

Fuck this band.

None of what you have written makes much sense. Are you sure you haven't already been injecting hair product into your brain?

That's not to say I didn't enjoy your post.

Yeah, he seems delirious with anger.

Yeah, despite the fact that I disagree with BlackGravel that was a pretty amusing post.