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Apprentice Guru |
muse, by far, are the better musicians. matt bellamy has an amazing voice, is an amazing guitarist and an amazing pianist.
radiohead, by far, are the better songwriters. all five members of radiohead contribute to each and every song. all five each have an individual aspect of the song that comes together as one song. the quality of songwriting is greater b/c of this gathering of minds, so to speak, and a self challenge to progress their music. johnny greenwood said this: "I never listened to guitar playing in any band, ever, I still don't, really. Worshiping guitarists is all buying guitar magazines. Anybody can play guitar, but writing songs is a far harder challenge. I'd rather idolize someone like Elvis Costello than I would Steve Vai." and on his vision of paradise: "A big empty room with the band and all these half-written songs. It's at times like that that I enjoy being in the group the most : when we're in the studio and take place in front of our amplifiers for days. You can only hear the drums and the voice in that stage. And when finally someone dares to ask "What do you think of this?", then we start working together. That's the most beautiful moment." radiohead is inherently the better band b/c they focus their time songwriting, as a group, with a need to challenge each other to make new and interesting music. muse is just the matt bellamy show. radiohead is five childhood friends trying to make good music. |
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Slacker |
I love Radiohead and consider them to be one of the greatest musicians ever. Muse are OK but I find them to be really kind of campy. I find Radiohead (I'm not musically trained or anything, btw) to be musically far superior and more "sophisticated"; their lyrics are poetic and edgy ("I'll laugh till my head comes off/ swallow till I burst") and their composition is beautiful, complex and quite unpredictable.
Muse on the otherhand--I can definitely see the radhd influences. But it seems that when they try to do it comes off so campy. I mean look at this: "And blaze through your skies/ So unafraid to die/ 'Cause I was born to destroy you" and "Far away from the memories/ Of the people who care if I live or die/.../Our hopes and expectations/ Black holes and revelations [ this last one I find particularly nasty and immaturely written]" Compare that to: "Genie let out the bottle/It is now the witching hour/Murderers you're murderers/We are not the same as you" As an english major anyways I say that the latter cannot be compared to the former (there is no competition). If you want to get anally specific, lets take a tiny example: that "so" before "unafraid" in Muse's piece: it kills the whole line. First you have "unafraid to die" (unafraid = bad word choice). So the subject is already dramatically suicidal and fearless (thick blares of teenage angst and idealistic bravery--topics I consider rather cheesy) but you put the "so" in front of it and it just pushes the melodramatic to the campy. Personally I find it lazily written. Its the "express yourself, take out you anger, please" type of things that sobby teenagers write in their diaries. (That might've been a bit too harsh). Anyways. My opinion: no competition. |
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Apprentice Guru |
very nice popolongato. i've always thought muse lyrics were, well, lame. radiohead's, while at times difficult to discern, have the definite edge. one of my favorite lines is from paranoid android:
Please could you stop the noise, I'm trying get some rest From all the unborn chicken voices in my head When I am king, you will be first against the wall with your opinion which is of no consequence at all muse can't couldn't come up with something so brilliant. |
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Know-It-All |
Is this even close to a fair fight? Or even a competition?
Muse is fun. Radiohead is profound. Not all those who wander are lost. |
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Jedi |
The lyrics to "Everything In Its Right Place" were drawn out of a hat. |
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Upwardly Mobile Participant |
Maybe popolongato is missing the point a bit. From the music and vocals to the live performance - everything about Muse is OTT and melodramatic. So why shouldn't the lyrics be too? The lyrics are deliberatly written as such to complement the music and image of the band not the other way round. Perhaps you're looking into them too deeply.
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Jedi |
Muse's music is fun and anthemic. I have much more fun with their latest album blasting in my car than I've ever had with any Radiohead albums. However, Radiohead can hit a melancholy mood just right - the end of "Exit Music (For A Film)" is more emotionally affecting than Muse could ever be.
They appeal to different moods. In my mind they're both great. ------ Let's raise a toast to St. Joe Strummer! I do believe he was our only decent teacher |
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Jedi |
Yep. Personally I think fist-pumping is underrated.  |
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Slacker |
hell yeah. If I cared so much about lyrics that I thought it was the most important factor in determining the best band, I'd just skip the performance and read them online. |
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Slacker |
"anybody can play guitar"....did he really say that? What a load of BS, especially coming from someone who "never listened to guitar playing". He must assume that everyone has the same level of skill as him. Sorry, that's moronic. |
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Apprentice Guru |
Wow. He's not saying he's better or as good as others at guitar, he's saying that he measures quality of music by the songs themselves, not by how well the band can "shred". He's right really. If you work hard enough and spend enough time on playing guitar, you can end up an amazing guitarist, but songwriting comes from something more. Can you really say that Yngwie Mlnsteem is somehow superior to someone like Jeff Mangum or Bob Dylan, just because he can shred better than them both? |
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Jedi |
One of their songs off the first album was "Anyone Can Play Guitar"  ------ Let's raise a toast to St. Joe Strummer! I do believe he was our only decent teacher |
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Slacker |
yes, Yngwie Mlnsteem is superior to both Jeff Mangum and Bob Dylan in his guitar playing abilities "just because he can shred better than them both". Better=better edit: and I can't believe I have to qualify that, because it should be obvious, but I guess I have to in your case- I'm not putting guitar skill on the same level as lyrical skill. Apples and Oranges. That's what you're doing. If Yngwie Mlnsteem is a superior guitar player, that doesn't mean he's a superior lyricist. And even if everyone can become an "amazing guitarist" which I highly doubt (this assumes there's no such thing as auditory intelligence and all guitar chords, solos, riffs, etc are created equal), it's subjective to say that a honed skill is less important for music quality than innate talent. And lyrics ARE NOT THE ONLY ASPECT OF A SONG. There is a difference between a song and a poem. |
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Apprentice Guru |
I agree, lyrics are not the only aspect of a songs. I used Jeff Mangum and Bob Dylan as examples because both of them are known for there simple gutair playing. I'm saying that the only important aspect of a song is the song itself. It doesn't matter how technically perfect or sonically advanced it is if it sucks. Yngwie Mlnsteem is a better gutair player than both Mangum and Dylan, but that doesn't make his "songs" (though all of his songs are 5 minutes of "shredding) better. Mlnsteem plays with no emotion or feeling. He has no sense of verse or melody, or anything that makes a song a song. His claim to fame is being able to shred, not his wonderful songs, and that is true. For future reference, when I say song writing, I mean writing SONGS, not lyrics.
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I agree with Greenwood 100%. If you're looking to secure your place in rock, songwriting is king. 99.99% of the time people will take a good song over a technically proficient song. That's why Dylan is a legend, and Yngwie Malmsteen is a legend only among people who work at Guitar Center. ----- I’ll be Ben Gazzara, you’ll be Gena Rowlands. |
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Just a small nitpick. It was nine inch nails who bridged the gap between electronica and rock. Radiohead will be remembered, but not because of that. |
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Slacker |
first of all i dare you to explain the meaning of this song. and second muse may not seem as complicated as radiohead, but i also dare you to explain the lyrics of sing for absolution. |
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Slacker |
Everyone of you who say that Muse is an awful band, and that it's comparable to coldplay,and that matt's voice sounds like a 12 year old whinng, i suggest you never comment again on any other band and stay in radioheadland.
i think radiohead is one of the best bands ever along with nirvana,pink floyd,led zepplin...and my favourite song after muse's unintended is street spirti.but i must say that both bands are not comparable in any way possible (even the singers voices). i must also confirm that muse is one of the best bands ever in live performance while radiohead is one of the worst. i must also say that i think (personal opinion) muse is the best band ever and that they never disapointed me with even one song.i feel i can always hear a muse song that is about the way i feel in the moment (watever the feeling is). "Muse is about getting the hopes, dreams, desires, frustrations out of your system that you wouldn't normally be able to do. It's about showing people that there are things inside buried that should be exposed, and having no shame about them. We can communicate no matter the environment." - Matthew Bellamy peace to all musiclovers |
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Slacker |
music is all about expressing your feelings through a song. so it can be simple or it can be complex but that's never the point. take nirvana for example, the music is very basic and the lyrics is "type of things that sobby teenagers write in their diaries".but compare them to nightwish or children of bodom...and you'll get my point. as for "Far away from the memories of the people who care if I live or die", try getting exiled and you'll get the meaning. |
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Slacker |
Wow. He's not saying he's better or as good as others at guitar, he's saying that he measures quality of music by the songs themselves, not by how well the band can "shred". He's right really.
If you work hard enough and spend enough time on playing guitar, you can end up an amazing guitarist, but songwriting comes from something more. Can you really say that Yngwie Mlnsteem is somehow superior to someone like Jeff Mangum or Bob Dylan, just because he can shred better than them both?[/QUOTE] you're the best |
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