Are there more pretentious fans than those of Radiohead? Good god. Radiohead is a good band, as is Muse. Which came first is moot. Which is derivative of which is moot.

In fact, after seeing multiple live performances of both bans, Bellamy is superior live -- where it counts. Radiohead have never rocked like Muse. Muse have never recorded a toaster overheating, added reverb and gotten 10/10 from Pitchfork. Apples and oranges.

WTF? Are you rich or something?

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Originally posted by joji:
Sort of off topic, but Muse have a new one out July 3rd in the UK. If it sucks, I'm going to cry.

I've posted a link to the new muse single in this forum, check it out. What's it like?, read the comment with the link. You may be surprised.

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Originally posted by joji:
Wait, WHAT THE F***!? I'm a big muse fan, but EVERYTHING they have done is completely copped from Radiohead. There would be no Muse without Radiohead. Matthew Bellamy is a good guitar player and he can write catchy songs, but this is like comparing a unicorn to a retarded pony.

Totally disagree joji. Apart from the singer's voice, and the commonality that all alternative bands share(namely the non-mainstream rock sound), Muse sound nothing like Radiohead. Muse copped their sound from, among other things, the early 90s alternative movement, just like Radiohead.

Muse are much harder, more aggresive and heavier than Radiohead, they are more derivitive of metal, goth and grunge bands than they are of a band like Radiohead.

Radiohead relied heavily on experimentation with electronica, in fact, after 'Pablo Honey' you hardly heard a single Radiohead song that didn't add some electronic, computerized beats and buzzes, and that's what set Radiohead apart and made them very unique. Muse barely even dabbled in electronica, if at all. Yes Muse used some traditional keyboarding, and quite well.

Where are the metal and grunge riffs in Radiohead's music that are everywhere in Muse's music? Where's the heavy bass thumping in Radiohead that you hear with Muse? Where's the piano in Radiohead's music that often accompanies Matt Bellamy's vocals in Coldplay fashion?

Like I said in my previous post, aside from a couple of songs on 'Hail to Thief', I see very little resemblance musically between Radiohead and Muse. Muse are much more in the vein of traditional alternative, while Radiohead resides in the experimental vein.

I could even argue that Radiohead borrowed a few tricks from Muse on 'Hail to the Thief'. Listen to 'Myxomatosis'(2003)by RH and then listen to 'Citizen Erased'(2001) by Muse.

It mustn't be forgotten that Muse have also been inspired by Queen, The Smashing Pumpkins, Jeff Buckley and Jimi Hendrix. I hardly hear the widely namedropped 'Nirvana' influence in comparison but that's the media for you. To me, along with those artists I mentioned, Muse do sound a lot like Radiohead's first three albums.

A lot of their stuff also sounds 'OK Computerish' which doesn't get mentioned much (Sing for Absolution/Sunburn) as well as 'Bendsy' or whatever (tracks like Unintended and Bliss sound like they could have fitted on both albums). Muse are a little heavier than Radiohead's first two albums but I disagree that they're 'much' harder or 'much' more aggressive - post-Bends Radiohead, yes. They started doing a bit of electronica post-Pablo but an awful lot of the weird sounds on The Bends/OKC are pure, geniously innovative guitar.

Radiohead are the better band, but as far as the 00's is concerned, Muse edge it with some fine records combined with Radiohead's significant deterioration post-OKC. Muse have also used keyboards or piano in many of their songs.

hehe...I have to start listening to Muse. I heard alot of good things about them. I saw one of their music videos and I could've sworn they were Radiohead.

Muse are extremely derivative of Radiohead. They take the things they love about Radiohead, and ruin them with all their pretentious baroque prog/hard rock bombast.
Radiohead are a highly experimental and innovative band who've changed pop music as we know it in a fairly short time.
Muse are a trio of unoriginal dunderheads who cover their lack of musicianship and songwriting talent with over-the-top production and neo-classical nonsense.
If I were in Radiohead, I'd feel insulted by the comparison.

Not too many people in here are going to make the ridiculous claim that Muse is a better band.
But the Muse guy's voice is better, and I thought that was pretty obvious.

...but what do I know. I'm a Stills fan.

Radiohead 100%

I'll be one of the few people here to make the ridiculous claim that Muse is the better band, but that's an opinion based on personal taste.

I own The Bends, OK Computer, and The Bends, and I love each one. In comparison to Muse, Radiohead are more intelligent, more innovative songwriters, but I disagree with the notion that Thom Yorke's voice is emotively superior. Muse have moved me in ways that Radiohead simply can't, mainly because Radiohead's music is (I think) somewhat detached from the listener.

Alright heres the thing. a while ago there was this singer named jeff buckley who thom yorke (radioheads singer) and matt bellamy (muse) are both heavily influenced by vocally. so yeah shut up about matt copying thom cause yeah they both copied jeff buckley so shut up. second they are both very different sounding bands to the musically trained ear. its not that Radiohead is better than Muse or that Muse is better than Radiohead (there both two of my favorite bands... only second to Nirvana who are the best) but that there different you cant compare them because there not the same..

and besides there are very few good bands out there still making music anymore. savor the ones there are and dont argue whos better.. just enjoy the music.

Matts voice is better!

i agree with the above post...there really is a lack of good music these days so why can't we forget the fact that Muse and Radiohead sound similar and just enjoy the music...all bands are influenced by other bands, and if not we would not have the types of music we have now...radiohead was influenced by certain bands and maybe muse was influenced by radiohead..so what? they both make good music..

Jesus, When I started this post, who would have thought it would still be going 5 Months Later. Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but we shouldn't begrudge someone theirs just because they feel differently.

BTW, I saw Radiohead live 3 weeks ago, and they kicked ass. I'm also going to see Muse in November. I can't wait.

I think that by now a comparison between the two is moot.

Muse really did sound a lot like Radiohead when they did Showbiz, but they've distanced themselves from that so much the whole Radiohead ripoff schtick just doesn't work anymore. BHaR sounds nothing like anything Radiohead has ever done. Muse may have started out as an extremely derivative band but they have matured into a completely different entity.

I realise that it's already been mentioned, but Bellamy's vocal layering (influenced obviously by Queen) gives him a distinct sound. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really sound as... 'sleepy' as Yorke. (Not an insult, just an observation.) Yorke's voice is more introspective and deeper; Bellamy's is more accessible and more over-the-top.

There are pros and cons to both, but those simply dismissing one band or the other are missing a lot of great music.

I saw both bands live, and I must admit, Muse edged it. Radiohead didn't seem very interested for some reason... Thom seems to sing "Paranoid Android" vacantly and without emotion nowadays, though I think he's just trying to make himself sound less like Matt Bellamy!

The day Muse get an Ondes Martenot... I'm sure Jonny will have an injunction placed on them.

Glaciers melting in the dead of night... err, excuse me, Kid A limited edition inlay? Muse really are a bit slow. Thom's already flooded New York and London in "The Eraser".

I get a lot of Soundgarden vibes off "Black Holes and Revelations"...

Chris Martin even said that he was just a little puppy humping Thom's leg (or something like that...)

Black Holes and Revelations, now considered the Muse's finest album, is comparable only to Radiohead's OK Computer in terms of mediocrity vs. greatness. The Muse are interesting. They have a great sound. Radiohead made a stamp on rock and bridged the gap between electronica and rock. They are unsurpassable in their genre. In ten years, the Muse will be passed over, unless they find their own masterpiece. Until then, Radiohead wins in all aspects...yes, even power. (Creep)

The Muse?

Well, after wearing out my copy of "Black Holes" (is that possible in the digital age?) and comparing it to my total love affair with all things Radiohead I'm saying that "The" Muse have moved onto their other influences.

I mean the first 4 songs alone channel bands much different than "The" Radiohead.

1. Take a Bow is Queen on Battlestar Galactica
2. Starlight is a nice New Order homage
3. Supermassive Black Hole is one of the best Prince songs he has never recorded

and

4. Map of the Problematique takes me back to the time when Depeche Mode ruled the world

a lot different than Radiohead,

and they both rule

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Originally posted by juanboy:
Well, after wearing out my copy of "Black Holes" (is that possible in the digital age?) and comparing it to my total love affair with all things Radiohead I'm saying that "The" Muse have moved onto their other influences.

I mean the first 4 songs alone channel bands much different than "The" Radiohead.

1. Take a Bow is Queen on Battlestar Galactica
2. Starlight is a nice New Order homage
3. Supermassive Black Hole is one of the best Prince songs he has never recorded

and

4. Map of the Problematique takes me back to the time when Depeche Mode ruled the world

a lot different than Radiohead,

and they both rule

*Wishes for a thumbs up smiley*

Update. I just saw Muse live in Dublin. O My God, it was the best concert I ever saw. And, seeing as how I saw Radiohead over the summer, I think I can make a healthy Radiohead v Muse live comparison. Muse came out on top. While Radiohead were still excellent, Muse were absoluterly captivating. And they had a great setlist too.

Take a bow
Hysteria
Butterflies and Hurricanes*
Map of the Problematique
Assasin
New Born*
Plug in Baby*
Bliss*
Soldier's Poem*
Invincible
Citizen Erased*
Supermassive Black Hole
Stokholm Syndrome*
Hoodoo*
Time is Running Out
Apocalypse Please*
Starlight
Knights of Cydonia*

* indicates exceptional performance

His vocals were top notch, his guitar was great, and his piano was out of this world. The bass and drums were also great, but lets be honest, its mostly Matt Bellamy. (I said mostly. Chris was excellent in Hysteria and Dom was excellent in Assasin)

Has anyone else seen both acts live. Don't assume after seeing one that their better. Say what they played and which was better. Or if you've only seen one, tell us about that.

Creep
Anyone Can Play Guitar
My Iron Lung
You Do It To Me
Fake Plastic Trees
Airbag
Paranoid Android
Karma Police
The Tourist
Lewis (Mistreated)
Stupid Car
You
Stop Whispering
Faithless The Wonder Boy
Permanent Daylight
Trans-Atlantic Drawl

Everything in Its Right Place
Kid A
Morning Bell
Optimistic
Motion Picture Soundtrack
Pyramid Song
Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors
Knives Out
Amnesiac/Morning Bell
Like Spinning Plates
Sail To The Moon
Backdrifts
Go To Sleep
Where I End And You Begin
A Punch-up At The Wedding
Myxomatosis
Melatonin
A Reminder
Palo Alto
Bishop's Robes
A Meeting In The Aisle
Paperbag Writer
I Am A Wicked Child
I Am Citizen Insane
Where Bluebirds Fly

This just represents some of my favorite Radiohead songs and -- if/when they ever release a best of CD -- I'd love to see the above songs included (at least the vast majority of them).

Radiohead continues to be groundbreaking and breath-taking, moving in directions unexpected by most alt-rock bands these days which may place them in a separate category all their own. Radiohead's amazing library of brilliant songcraft continues to evolve and expand, influencing bands like their American counterparts Grandaddy (which, sadly, broke up earlier this year).

I cannot think of another band that has taken the risks Radiohead has over the years and, for all intents and purposes, OK Computer remains an all-time classic.

I would like to see Kid A and Amnesiac eventually released as a double-album as the band originally intended.

Their B-sides and unreleased material has strengthened in myth and power, a sober reminder that an enormous boxed set would be a much-welcomed addition to any rabid Radiohead fan.

I hope and pray their next album slides back to the days of OK Computer, Kid A and Amnesiac. Although Hail To The Thief is a blisteringly solid release, it seems to be missing a lot of the experimentation Radiohead had become so popular for among their wide cult following.

Radiohead is the link from what had been popular in alt-rock for many years into what will decidedly become the future of rock in ten to twenty years from now, a standard that places them in that rare category of groups far ahead of their time.