Is killing me. How did Punk music manage to get a bunch of shitty pop neo-boy bands thrown in with it. This whole pop-punk thing is bugging the shit out of me. I don't even listen to very much punk, but I'm empathetic for the kids who listen to a lot of it. If I hear one more 16 year old girl she listens to "A lot of stuff, mainly punk though... like taking back sunday, good charlotte, my chem, uhhh... you know, panic! at the disco, AFI, ohhhh I love them!" I'll give it to afi, their earlier stuff is remotely punk, but they still suck.

Sorry, just irritated.

I think the problem is not with the music, but with people calling something 'punk' that you may not find to be punk. But I remember the same complaint about bands I liked in high school. I remember the punkest kid I knew telling me "Dead Milkmen ain't punk!" But it was punk to me.

One teenage girl's Taking Back Sunday record could be as revelatory in getting her away from, say, boy bands as Never Mind the Bollocks was for getting people away from 70's soft-rock or singer-songwriter pop.

I'm not really a fan of any of the bands you mentioned (the new My Chemical Romance isn't bad) but it just smacks of punk elitism to assume that you've got to be this much punk to be musically relevant.

And, of course, being really punk doesn't mean you don't suck. I've seen a lot of shitty punk bands in my life, and they all walked the walk.

Oh, I totally agree with you. I wasn't trying to pull the elitist card... which is what it came off as I guess, uninformed people just make me angry (mainly people in high places furthering this pop-punk craze). I don't know it all, and I definately have a tendency of inserting a musical opinion where I shouldn't, I just can't let go of the hXc punk (I love the "hXc" abbreviation haha) phase I went through several years back. It just keeps popping up, and with it comes the frustrations that anyone gets when they feel they have an "enlightened" musical taste I'm sure you got that when you were younger.

I feel that Punk was fatally wounded and that it's very close to, if not completely dead. I guess it's in a vegatative state. Yeah, I'm gonna go with that.

Why is it that popularity has a way of killing people, bands, and genres?

(for some reason I still have a love for the song "Punk's Not Dead" by the Exploited... I think it's the irony I feel when I listen to it)

i also am not a punk listener but... when i think of punk i think of ramones sex pistols loc ect ect not this stupid shit..... i think its afi's fault imo

I would put it just as easily on green day and that whole scene (their real early stuff was bordering on punk, then dookie started the downhill progression... into shit like warning and boulevard of broken dreams and all that)... then blink 182, then yellow card, then shit, the list could go on. I don't know who's fault it is, but it's probably shitty uninformed journalists faults. Starting to call them punk... you're lucky if you even see it termed pop-punk. If anything it's just "alternative music".

I agree the "Punk-Pop" is not the best title for bands like Green Day, Blink-182, Presidents of the United States, Supergrass, and Weezer. The problem is that is what critics have called it, and how records are marketed. Fans of punk should accept the compliment and not expect them to be pure punk. If grunge was a hybrid of Heavy Metal and Punk, then grunge divided into a couple of streams. Some bands found there way back into the Metal (thrash and all that) scene. Other bands like Pearl Jam went the traditional Hard Rock route. A third group keep the speed of pure punk by with a larger emphasis on melody. Sure the songs got longer and more complicated than pure punk, but that is what the crowds like. I prefer the term "Grunge-Pop" for these bands - but by that time "Grunge" had been over exposed.

My two cents.

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I would put it just as easily on green day and that whole scene (their real early stuff was bordering on punk, then dookie started the downhill progression... into shit like warning and boulevard of broken dreams and all that)... then blink 182, then yellow card, then shit, the list could go on. I don't know who's fault it is, but it's probably shitty uninformed journalists faults. Starting to call them punk... you're lucky if you even see it termed pop-punk. If anything it's just "alternative music".

corporate america.

damn the suits.

Haha, aw man! Now I'm gettin made fun of for my conspiracy theories!

This reminds of a story of when I was working at Taco Bell. This 16 year old kid I working with started talking about music, and I asked him what he listened to, to which he answered "mostly punk". I starting bearing myself for a list like Taking Back Sunday, AFI, etc. Then he said his favorite band was The Casualties! I was like damn, that's some gutter punk - not exactly what I was expecting from a kid his age. Not that The Casualties are good by any means.

b0arder753, I you take the time to listen to Blink 182 - Blink 182 and AFI - Sing the sorrow,I'm not sure that you will keep talking about "shit". Sure it's not pure punk, but they are decent albums.

I've heard both of those albums... not my style I guess.

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b0arder753, I you take the time to listen to Blink 182 - Blink 182 and AFI - Sing the sorrow,I'm not sure that you will keep talking about "shit". Sure it's not pure punk, but they are decent albums.

I agree with eggTweedyegg - probably two of the best radio-rock albums of the 2000's.

I always thought it was because of what they get to hear. This kind of popular stuff is usually the stuff on TV music shows and most radio stations. A lot of kids have really bad musical taste.

You know what i don't like? I don't like when people use the term pop and that means stay away - There are many bands out there that are not recieving any airplay on the radio or MTV that have plenty of poppy goodness to them.

Take Spoon for example (however i do realize that they had a song featured in a commercial) their song "I Turn My Camera On" is very poppy to me & I love it! The Sounds is another good example - pretty much every song on both of their CD's is a pop song - I feel sorry for those who can't embrace the catchyness and the fun in pop music.

other bands who i think write excellent pop songs

Belle & Sebastion
Yo Le Tengo (their newest record - pure pop!)
Art Brut
CSS
Eagles Of Death Metal
Love is All
Long Blondes
New Pornographers
Starlight Mints

I guess the quesstion here is - what does pop mean to you?
pop = popular top 40
pop = catchy

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Originally posted by kid_modular:
You know what i don't like? I don't like when people use the term pop and that means stay away - There are many bands out there that are not recieving any airplay on the radio or MTV that have plenty of poppy goodness to them.

Take Spoon for example (however i do realize that they had a song featured in a commercial) their song "I Turn My Camera On" is very poppy to me & I love it! The Sounds is another good example - pretty much every song on both of their CD's is a pop song - I feel sorry for those who can't embrace the catchyness and the fun in pop music.

other bands who i think write excellent pop songs

Belle & Sebastion
Yo Le Tengo (their newest record - pure pop!)
Art Brut
CSS
Eagles Of Death Metal
Love is All
Long Blondes
New Pornographers
Starlight Mints

I guess the quesstion here is - what does pop mean to you?
pop = popular top 40
pop = catchy

Uh, i'd say a little of both.


I too am not a fan of people calling rock and indie rock and the other various forms, "pop".

but as my music teacher has said, all "rock" is considered pop music.

but the term "pop", comes from "popular", obviously.
and all shapes and forms of rock are considered more "popular" compared to jazz, folk and art music.


But I kind of agree with the artists you named as writing good "pop songs".

but i've always seen "pop" as people like britney spears and nsync kind of stuff.



So yeah, i guess there's no real straight answer for that.

Uhh... did you bother to read my post k_m?

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Originally posted by eggTweedyegg:
b0arder753, I you take the time to listen to Blink 182 - Blink 182 and AFI - Sing the sorrow,I'm not sure that you will keep talking about "shit". Sure it's not pure punk, but they are decent albums.

I don't know about the former, but "Sing the Sorrow" was really good, I think. It is probably the only album from that little genre that I have liked or could even tolerate - including the new MCR that is getting decent critical review.

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Originally posted by b0arder753:
Uhh... did you bother to read my post k_m?

Yes I read your post - It was the title of your original post 'This Poppy shit is killing me' that i was really commenting on. Lopok, you and I both know that what the kids call punk music is not 'true' punk music. I get in this similar argument about 'emo' music. The kids now-a-days say that they hate all emo music - but they have no idea where emo even began. And it's hilarious to me who they even consider an emo band - just like it's hilarious who they consider a punk band. Look they are young, give it some time - someday they may further investigate the influences of their favorite band and finally be exposed to the truth.

I hope they can get in touch with their roots too.

Just an aside though: I'm 17, I'm a kid. I don't take too kindly when I see people my age marginalized. I regret making this thread now because I kinda pidgen-holed myself as a pretentious asshole, it did what I hate.

Note: Sorry if I belittled anyone's taste. I didn't mean to.

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Just an aside though: I'm 17, I'm a kid. I don't take too kindly when I see people my age marginalized. I regret making this thread now because I kinda pidgen-holed myself as a pretentious asshole, it did what I hate.

Note: Sorry if I belittled anyone's taste. I didn't mean to.

It's OK, bo0arder. At least you realize you're a pretentious ass

Fully just kidding, by the way.