Green Day? I disagree. Green Day has put out at least 10 albums, and their sound was original compared to most of MCRs stuff. When I see a MCR video, with their lead singer wearing runny makeup, I think of Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte. I dont think Green Day was ever a "corporate tool" either.
Wow....
you guys are harsh. i do admit, bands like these have nothing on most indie rock (which i am assuming is most of your guys' mileau, although, it's never good to assume)
but come on...
saying they're like Paris Hilton, and Fall Out Boy?
Kinda sad...
Have you heard the band? They play actual instruments! guitar solos? You think Paris and Fall Out Boy are equals to them?
Just because a band gets popular, doesn't mean they're a corporate machine with no personal ideas about music...
well, i guess it's your opinion.
But I just decided to give credit where credit is due, and say this is an above average album for this "kind" of music.
Posts: 189 | Location: los angeles | Registered: 04 October 2005
I know it's automatic nowadays, but Pablo Honey never did and still doesn't "suck", unless you use that term in a pleasurable way. Anything else in this thread: no comment.
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Posts: 12874 | Location: Behind the Orange Curtain | Registered: 14 May 2004
I didn't like Pablo Honey when it came out. I remember a high school talent show where a classmate—a minor celebrity whose name and legacy I'll spare you—played "Creep" on acoustic guitar.
Oh GOD I hated it.
But something about that record made me the tiniest bit hopeful for alternative radio.
Posts: 1652 | Location: Philadelphia, PA | Registered: 15 September 2004
Originally posted by Biggles: Ths mightn't be the most gracious way to return after a few weeks of absense and several months of only sporadic posting, but you are an idiot, really.
You mean, I should be more gracious like you? Idiot.
You definetly need some sort of reading comprehension class or something. I admitted that I was being ungracious, but only because I, like most people from the looks of things, find you pretty annoying.
And also, I think I saw only one person actually claim that MCR isn't garbage. How did you get this impression we're all "defending" them?
Posts: 687 | Location: Adelaide, South Australia | Registered: 01 January 2005
I haven't heard the new MCR album but I plan on giving it a chance even if I don't like the single. Hey hudson what about the Talking Heads just because they went corporate doesn't mean that they were bad actually the Talking Heads in my opinion still kicked funky ass through their entire mainstream career. Tongues is one of the greatest albums of all time even if it was the Heads break into the mainstream. "Burning Down the House" and "The Naive Melody" are great songs on one helluva an album. U2 were pretty much always corporate but that doesn't mean that their music is bad maybe the new stuff isn't quite as good as "The Joshua Tree" or "Achtung Baby" but it's much better than anything the Pussycat Dolls have ever done. Nirvana was originally on Sub Pop home to many brilliant indie bands but they crossed to the mainstream and made one of the greatest albums of all time. The Beatles were the greatest rock and roll band of all time but they were nearly always mainstream as well as most of Dylan's work and the Beach Boys work. Just because an album happens to be mainstream doesn't mean that it's bad and just because you listen to some mainstream music doesn't mean you don't have any faults concerning your music taste. Personally, I don't like Metallica and don't listen to much Led Zeppelin but at least I've listened to some of their records and tried to understand what I didn't like about the records only not the bands who may have a very significant amount in the making of the music but as people and performers shouldn't change your perception of the music. I don't mean to offend and I'd like you to know that I'm not offended myself but I agree with Dork in the fact that you made many contradictory statements. That's all I have to say...
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Posts: 1235 | Location: Nowhere | Registered: 31 July 2006
Originally posted by Biggles: You definetly need some sort of reading comprehension class or something. I admitted that I was being ungracious, but only because I, like most people from the looks of things, find you pretty annoying.
That wasn't very nice. Don't you have anything better to do than pick on inferior people like me? Surely you could focus your energy on something other than personal attacks.
Perhaps I am annoying, people freely stating their opinions often can be, but other than you and eric no one has stooped to calling me names and personally attacking me. But I guess since you and eric are Gurus or Jedis or whatever you're allowed.
I have no reason to further engage you or eric in any sort of dialogue. Sorry I annoyed you with my unacceptable critiques. Have a good one.
On the topic of "Creep" by Radiohead - I found a cover of it a while ago that was apparently performed by Bob Dylan. Sounded rather like him, too. Could this ever have happened?
Posts: 687 | Location: Adelaide, South Australia | Registered: 01 January 2005
Originally posted by hudson: That wasn't very nice. Don't you have anything better to do than pick on inferior people like me? Surely you could focus your energy on something other than personal attacks.
Earlier In The Thread...
You mean, I should be more gracious like you? Idiot.
Perhaps I am annoying, people freely stating their opinions often can be, but other than you and eric no one has stooped to calling me names and personally attacking me. But I guess since you and eric are Gurus or Jedis or whatever you're allowed.
I have no reason to further engage you or eric in any sort of dialogue. Sorry I annoyed you with my unacceptable critiques. Have a good one.
Sorry, but are you 14? (I'm trying not to be to condescending or offensive here, try not to be offended.) Because I've seen 14 year olds with just about the same persecution complex as you are presenting. Actually, when I was 14 I had the exact same type of persecution complex.
By the way, I'm a total n00b here and I've been attacking you from the start. Guess I must've paid off mark f and company big time since I haven't been banned yet.
(Maybe you can see where I'm going with this. )
Really hudson, "The System" isn't out to get you, Metacritic isn't taking bribes and you're making less sense by the minute. Insulting someone one day and then complaining that they hit back the next is just outrageous. We'd actually be fine if you gave us your informed opinion, but so far you've only given us an ignorant one. Robing yourself in the garb of free speech or fearless self-expression doesn't make your opinion any more valid, it just shows that you're trying to win a point rather than actually carry on an intelligent debate. No, sorry, I don't find honest and open expression annoying, I find it irritating when someone trashes something without bothering to experience it. Please, please look at what you're saying; you have contributed nothing but speculation to this discussion. That and of course the conspiracy theories and persecution complex, though we can get those pretty much anywhere these days. You're free to cleanse your reputation any time by listening to the album and telling us what you thought about it. An opinion derived from experience is worth a thousand times more than one born of ignorance.
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Originally posted by mark f: I know it's automatic nowadays, but Pablo Honey never did and still doesn't "suck", unless you use that term in a pleasurable way.
Eh. Well... I thought Pablo Honey was way too boring. To give you an idea of what I consider "Too Boring", I thought The Bends was pretty much a snore. (The one track I liked was Planet Telex.) But that's just me. Now can we please NOT discuss Radiohead in every single thread on the forums?
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Originally posted by hudson: I have no reason to further engage you or eric in any sort of dialogue. Sorry I annoyed you with my unacceptable critiques. Have a good one.
If I would've known we were having a pity party, I would've brought a gift. Where were these "critiques" you speak of? I must've missed them.
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Posts: 5156 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005
Originally posted by Dork: Now can we please NOT discuss Radiohead in every single thread on the forums?
Adding Radiohead to a discussion is like adding "in bed" to the end of every fortune you pull out of fortune cookies. Some people just can't help themselves.
You bring everyone you meet happiness ...in bed! HEE HEE!
You bring everyone you meet happiness ...with Radiohead! HEE HEE!
Posts: 1652 | Location: Philadelphia, PA | Registered: 15 September 2004
Originally posted by ericg75: If I would've known we were having a pity party, I would've brought a gift.
Well, I should at least get something for enduring this endless barrage of vicious attacks.
I'm going to bow out of this thread. Eric, you can bring my gift to the next thread you see me in. MCR sucks. Anybody who says different has sold out to the man.
Originally posted by hudson: Well, I should at least get something for enduring this endless barrage of vicious attacks.
I'm going to bow out of this thread. Eric, you can bring my gift to the next thread you see me in. MCR sucks. Anybody who says different has sold out to the man.
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Yeah, when people withdraw from arguments, they generally don't take little parting shots, if ending conflict is actually their intention. Just saying.
Posts: 687 | Location: Adelaide, South Australia | Registered: 01 January 2005
Originally posted by Mike: My Chemical Romance is bad, I don't believe that you have to listen to every album they create and judge them one by one. Generally, all these coporate machines are is the same shit over and over. I have only heard the single, "Black Parade" and am more than willing to make the statement that the album is horrible.
You've just cut yourself off from this band's entire output for the forseeable future.
Since you'll always judge them by what you've heard in the past or singles rather than the albums they're currently making, no matter what they do you'll hate them. Even if they did make the greatest, most innovative punk album ever, you'd simply say "well, I hated their other stuff so this one must suck too". If we all followed that rule I doubt anyone would have stayed around for The Bends after Radiohead's unbelievably bad first album. I know I wouldn't have. Frankly even the "corporate" artists deserve a chance. I try to approach each album with a fairly open mind -- and that is important.
Edited for a severe case of Sudden Retardation Syndrome.
That would be a good point if I did not consider them a band that will quickly flame out or ignored. Where is Nickelback or Puddle of Mud(I know there is a second 'd' but I am unwilling to insert it)? Where is Stained(again I know the spelling but it is dumb)?
Emo was a horrible sub-genre for starters only made worse by the fact that MTV picked it up and made it popular so that even more bands would be formed to sound like the previous MTV plugged bands.
Again, I have nothing against the people who listen to the music, but the music in general is unartistic in that it is prepackaged MTV garbage. This does not mean that there is anything wrong with listening to it or enjoying it, there was a time when I like POD, but that part of me died a long time ago.
Posts: 3452 | Location: Strange Days | Registered: 18 October 2004
Originally posted by Mike: That would be a good point if I did not consider them a band that will quickly flame out or ignored. Where is Nickelback or Puddle of Mud(I know there is a second 'd' but I am unwilling to insert it)? Where is Stained(again I know the spelling but it is dumb)?
What's the point you're trying to make here? That the pop world is fickle and since those bands have a short lifespan, they should be ignored by "serious" music fans? That's possibly a good point, but I'd argue that the indie world is just as full of bands that release and album or two and then fizzle out.
Even though I still think it's a mediocre album, I think Black Parade is a bit more ambitious than your typical Nickleback/Staind fare, which is why I imagine it's getting more attention than your average mainstream release.
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Posts: 5156 | Location: Michigan | Registered: 19 June 2005
Actually, Nickleback's latest album has sold well over 3 million copies in the US. Their somehow still going pretty strong. I'm repulsed by this band just as much as anyone on here, but saying that they've "flamed out" or are being ignored is (unfortunately) inaccurate.
I'm not necessarily defending MCR, but I'm always amazed when someone simply dismisses something just because of its genre. That's extremely closed-minded.
Posts: 1376 | Location: Valparaiso, IN | Registered: 01 July 2006
Originally posted by Biggles: Yeah, when people withdraw from arguments, they generally don't take little parting shots, if ending conflict is actually their intention. Just saying.
Haven't you heard Mr. Bigglesworth, it takes a real man to walk away. Besides, I have nothing to say to someone who spends their time defending some fabricated goth band. It doesn't reflect well on your character.
Actually, Nickleback's latest album has sold well over 3 million copies in the US. Their somehow still going pretty strong. I'm repulsed by this band just as much as anyone on here, but saying that they've "flamed out" or are being ignored is (unfortunately) inaccurate.
And now we've got Hinder, who's even more "Nickelback" than Nickelback. But people love it I guess, so who am I to complain.
Originally posted by Biggles: Yeah, when people withdraw from arguments, they generally don't take little parting shots, if ending conflict is actually their intention. Just saying.
Haven't you heard Mr. Bigglesworth, it takes a real man to walk away. Besides, I have nothing to say to someone who spends their time defending some fabricated goth band. It doesn't reflect well on your character.
It takes a real man to walk away and not demand a reward for "enduring [an] endless barrage of vicious attacks". Shit like that only makes people angrier.
Also, I agreed with you in my initial post that MCR is garbage. How am I defending them?
Posts: 687 | Location: Adelaide, South Australia | Registered: 01 January 2005
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You're free to cleanse your reputation any time by listening to the album and telling us what you thought about it. An opinion derived from experience is worth a thousand times more than one born of ignorance.
