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Originally posted by Biggles:
Ths mightn't be the most gracious way to return after a few weeks of absense and several months of only sporadic posting, but you are an idiot, really.

You mean, I should be more gracious like you? Idiot.

Come on people, listen to yourselves. You're defending My Chemical Romance. You might as well turn in your indie credentials and go buy the new Backstreet Boys album.

Who cares if mcr has changed it up on this album and done something "new". Since when does that give a band creedence. Did you give Garth Brooks a thumbs up when he released his rock album? Probably.

Bottomline is, mcr blows. Those guys are corporate puppets. You actually think anything on their new album was written, thought up, or produced by them. They just put on their little outfits and do what they're told.

Ugh, why do I even bother?

The Monkees belong in the R 'n' R Hall of Fame, no matter what ignoramii think! I can't really deal with that one either! Woo!Hoo!

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Originally posted by hudson:

Come on people, listen to yourselves. You're defending My Chemical Romance. You might as well turn in your indie credentials and go buy the new Backstreet Boys album.

Who cares if mcr has changed it up on this album and done something "new". Since when does that give a band creedence. Did you give Garth Brooks a thumbs up when he released his rock album? Probably.

Bottomline is, mcr blows. Those guys are corporate puppets. You actually think anything on their new album was written, thought up, or produced by them. They just put on their little outfits and do what they're told.

Some people actually listen to music because they enjoy it, not because they need "Indie cred" in online forums. Not everyone cares so desperately about looking cool.

God, I can't beleive this. I actually agree with you that My Chemical Romance is an industry tool, but I didn't judge them before I'd let them defend themselves, and I didn't hate the album because it was on a major label or because it was aimed at teenagers. I hated it because it sounded like it was from a major label, because it was pitched at a certain audience rather than from the heart. But the fact is, good music is good music whether it's major label or unknown, indie or mainstream!

The problem is, you automatically hate My Chemical Romance because the indie machine has told you to do so. Not because they suck, (you wouldn't know, obviously) not because the indie press has basically brainwashed you and told you that liking anything mainstream is "uncool". Who cares? You're hooked up to the exact same machine as the teeny-boppers, just at a different part. You didn't decide for yourself whether this album was good; you were told. And you took it! You stood there and let the publications like Pitchfork do the thinking for you, and if they suddenly agreed with the mainstream view... they lost credibility. You didn't say, "Hey, Pitchfork liked the album, maybe it's OK", you said "Well, they've sold out I guess".

For the record: I have never listened to a Backstreet Boys album, so I'm not a qualified judge. I've never heard Garth Brooks but I would listen to it before claiming that it was garbage. But I listened to The Black Parade and I still say that you are right; it is commercialized teen pop. But you came to that conclusion based on no credible evidence, extracting it from the opinions of the indie machine rather than from your own mind. Essentially you're just mirroring My Chemical Romance by reading only the indie sites and then putting on your indie hat and going out, doing exactly what they want you to do. You're a troll and a tool.

In the end, I think you are losing way more actual credibility, rather than this indie cred nonsense.

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You made a couple of nice points there, Dork.

I also am no fan of MCR, although I think their are a couple of decent songs on the new album.

My problem with your case hudson, isn't what you're arguing (MCR sucks), but how you're arguing it, which is without any experience or logic. If you had just said, "I checked out that MCR album people seem to be raving about and I thought it sucked," I doubt you would've gotten a response.

Instead you chose to bust out your unsupported conspiracy theories about how Metacritic took a bribe to boost their Metascore. Then we find out that you haven't even heard the album you're bashing. Though Biggles was probably a little harsh, the way you argue does sort of make you look like an idiot.

Ok, let me try this again.

Hey gang! I just checked out that new mcr album and, golly jeepers, it's isn't my cup of tea. But for all you out there that fancy that sort of thing, well, ENJOY!

People called me out on my BS, so I'll just be really condescending now.

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Originally posted by Dork:
You're hooked up to the exact same machine as the teeny-boppers, just at a different part.

Your post as a whole framed the argument better than I've seen here or anywhere, D., but that line in particular is a gem. I'm pessimistic that it will sink in with the shrill minority it describes, but thanks for making the case so eloquently just the same.

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Originally posted by ericg75:
People called me out on my BS, so I'll just be really condescending now.

I'm not being condescending. I'm being a smartass, big difference.

It's just funny how worked up people get when someone on here talks about an album in a way that offends them. Do you actually think I give a rats azz that my comments rubbed some mcr fans the wrong way?

If people want to defend <insert corporate puppet band name here> ,go right ahead. It's no skin off my teeth. But this thread is here to discuss the merits or lack thereof of mcr, and that's what I discussed, regardless of how tongue in cheek my comments where...and they were.

It's funny how inaccurate Dork and others are in trying to describe me and my musical tastes and such. They couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm plugged into the indie machine? Are you kidding me. My favorite all time bands are Led Zeppelin and Metallica. I have a very open mind when it comes to music, major label or not. But when I listened to those pitful songs from mcr's new album, I just had to say something about all the hype they were receiving.

You've got 4 or 5 middle class white boys who were offered a job by a major label. Dye your hair black, get some tats, put on some black eye shadow and be the newest and coolest goth band. So these boys did what they were told and the major label sold all of you their new goth act. But I ain't buyin' it.

That's all. No need for anyone to get their panties in a bunch. Cause you'd only be hurting yourself.

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Originally posted by hudson:
I'm not being condescending. I'm being a smartass, big difference.

It's just funny how worked up people get when someone on here talks about an album in a way that offends them. Do you actually think I give a rats azz that my comments rubbed some mcr fans the wrong way?

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Admitting that you're an ass and don't care about other people is supposed to make us think your position is any more valid?

For the record, you're not talking about My Chemical Romance's music, you're talking about the image of them that you perceive. Thus you really have no idea if they're any good or not, you simply dislike the see-through teen goth veneer they've projected.

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Originally posted by hudson:
If people want to defend <insert corporate puppet band name here> ,go right ahead. It's no skin off my teeth. But this thread is here to discuss the merits or lack thereof of mcr, and that's what I discussed, regardless of how tongue in cheek my comments where...and they were.

Actually this thread is about the specific album. Kind of hard to discuss the album's quality when you haven't bothered listening to it.

The door's right over there, if you'd care to leave.

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Originally posted by hudson:
It's funny how inaccurate Dork and others are in trying to describe me and my musical tastes and such. They couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm plugged into the indie machine? Are you kidding me. My favorite all time bands are Led Zeppelin and Metallica. I have a very open mind when it comes to music, major label or not. But when I listened to those pitful songs from mcr's new album, I just had to say something about all the hype they were receiving.

So, you listened to the album then? No? Hmmm... interesting how much you've had to say about it...

Also, liking Metallica and Led Zeppelin simply makes you a hypocrite rather than someone with an open mind. You're criticizing these losers for selling out to the major labels and then turing around and listening to major label music. I don't see how you can even reconcile all your different positions in your head. I wouldn't be able to so thoroughly reject all mainstream music and then listen to Metallica of all bands.

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Originally posted by hudson:
You've got 4 or 5 middle class white boys who were offered a job by a major label. Dye your hair black, get some tats, put on some black eye shadow and be the newest and coolest goth band. So these boys did what they were told and the major label sold all of you their new goth act. But I ain't buyin' it.

No, sorry, I didn't buy their goth act either. But you've actually mangaed to offend even me by condeming something you've never experienced and won't bother to hear. Like I said, you've let Pitchfork et all do the thinking for you. Download the album and find out for yourself how bad it is!

Usually, I just lurk these forums, but I had to register to make just this one post:

The arguments against this guy are great. But I think that he will never understand the point you guys are making; therefore, dont waste your time.

"A wise man told me dont argue with fools, because people from a distance cant tell who is who."

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Originally posted by hudson:
It's funny how inaccurate Dork and others are in trying to describe me and my musical tastes and such. They couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm plugged into the indie machine? Are you kidding me.

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Originally posted by hudson:
Did pitchfork rate the album? If pitchfork rates it and gives it a good score, then I can see keeping the metascore high. If pitchfork doesn't rate the new mcr, then I think metacritic should factor a zero into the album's score.

Why not hold all bands reviewed on Metacritic to the same standard? If my morning jacket is subject to pitchfork and the other indie critics, why shouldn't mcr? If the indie critics reviewed or even gave a crap about the new mcr, they'd tear apart.

Wow, great input everybody. And it looks like i've gotten us a new member too. Welcome Nasty.

I'm glad that I could inspire such passionate responses and insightful comments. I figured this mcr thread would need a little inspiration if it was actually going to be any good.

Rock on!

My Chemical Romance is bad, I don't believe that you have to listen to every album they create and judge them one by one. Generally, all these coporate machines are is the same shit over and over. I have only heard the single, "Black Parade" and am more than willing to make the statement that the album is horrible.

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Originally posted by hudson:
Wow, great input everybody. And it looks like i've gotten us a new member too. Welcome Nasty.

I'm glad that I could inspire such passionate responses and insightful comments. I figured this mcr thread would need a little inspiration if it was actually going to be any good.

Rock on!

Within hours, T.O. insisted it was all a misunderstanding. "It was just an allergic reaction," Owens said.

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Orignally posted by Mike:

Generally, these coporate machines are is the same shit over and over.

They're not really a corporate machine. They started out on Eyeball records, which is a pretty small label. I'm not necessarily defending they're new album - I've heard it and I don't think it's as good as their past work - but calling them a corporate band is not really accurate.

It is rather difficult to quantify what makes a "corporate" group, but I, generally, classify MCR with bands like Good Charlotte, 98 Degrees, and...Paris Hilton. Regardless of a band's roots, if it so chooses it can have the capacity to become a coporate tool, and that is how I view MCR.

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I, generally, classify MCR with bands like Good Charlotte, 98 Degrees, and...Paris Hilton

I just disagree. Good Charlotte got scooped up by Lit (wow, remember those guys?) and signed to Epic without ever doing an album, 98 degrees road in on the coat tails of other boy bands, and Paris Hilton gets an album just for being Paris Hilton. I think MCR deserves a little more credit then these acts. More accurately I'd catagorize them with Green Day, for example, who scratched it out on a small label and eventually hit it big on a major.

Green Day? I disagree. Green Day has put out at least 10 albums, and their sound was original compared to most of MCRs stuff. When I see a MCR video, with their lead singer wearing runny makeup, I think of Fall Out Boy and Good Charlotte. I dont think Green Day was ever a "corporate tool" either.

Thanks for the welcome Hudson

Actually, Green Day only has six LPs (seven if you count that collection of various EPs from 1990.) I'm not counting their greatest hits and that bleak b-sides compilation, by the way. My Chemical Romance has three under their belt, so they're already about halfway to Green Day's total.

Also, if you remember during all of the promotion for American Idiot, Green Day wore makeup as well - especially Billie Joe. I was saying that MCR isn't a "corporate tool", so I'm not really accusing Green Day of being that by the comparison.

Actually Green Day is one of my favorite bands, so my comparing to them is a compliment (even though I don't like My Chemical Romance all that much.)

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Originally posted by Mike:
My Chemical Romance is bad, I don't believe that you have to listen to every album they create and judge them one by one. Generally, all these coporate machines are is the same shit over and over. I have only heard the single, "Black Parade" and am more than willing to make the statement that the album is horrible.

You've just cut yourself off from this band's entire output for the forseeable future.

Since you'll always judge them by what you've heard in the past or singles rather than the albums they're currently making, no matter what they do you'll hate them. Even if they did make the greatest, most innovative punk album ever, you'd simply say "well, I hated their other stuff so this one must suck too". If we all followed that rule I doubt anyone would have stayed around for The Bends after Radiohead's unbelievably bad first album. I know I wouldn't have. Frankly even the "corporate" artists deserve a chance. I try to approach each album with a fairly open mind -- and that is important.

Edited for a severe case of Sudden Retardation Syndrome.

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