This arguably belongs in the general music forum, but what are peoples thoughts on the new Nick Cave album? I've never given Cave all that much attention before, but I have to say that the new album is brilliant.

As a sidenote, he's trying to have his tiny hometown here in Australia erect a statue of him riding a horse; he's even offered to pay to have it built himself. Genius.

I too am enjoying this new album... Probably moreso than his last two albums (i mean the entire double album and Nocturama). "Lie Down Here (And Be My Girl)" is one hell of a song.

Since you say you never gave much thought to Nick Cave, I'll ask if you've heard his band the Birthday Party? GREAT BAND. Really out-there avant-punk/goth that was a great pre-cursor to the Jesus Lizard.

Also, if you liked "Dig!!! Lazarus, Dig!!!" I would suggest perhaps getting "Tender Prey," "Murder Ballads," or even last year's Grinderman album (That is if you haven't heard it, I don't know if you have).

I think this album is underrated around here. Also, I don't like it very much.

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Originally posted by goathouse's enlarging prostate:
I think this album is underrated around here. Also, I don't like it very much.

Yeah, i don't see very much mention of this album by anyone, so i would tend to agree with the underrated comment.

Why do you think that is? Because Cave is old or something? Nick Cave is badass, and he boned Kylie Minogue... He's ace in my book. Maybe it's the cheese-factor. Some of his lyrics are straight gouda. I'm curious to know why people don't like Nick Cave, or are indifferent toward him for that matter? That's not to suggest you don't like him, but I'm just wondering overall why he get's no love on this "indie" forum. The man's quite iconic at this point, having influenced heaps of bands in his 25 year career, including the Hold Steady i'd wager (who get heaps of praise a month before their new album even comes out.)

Too glossy when it should be lo-fi garage bandy? Too monotonous vocal delivery, even though worse crimes have been overlooked in worse vocalists? Toooooo.. uhhhh.. Nick Cavey. Too.. Grinderman from last year-y? I don't know-y.

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Originally posted by CleverName84:
Yeah, i don't see very much mention of this album by anyone, so i would tend to agree with the underrated comment.

Why do you think that is?

A lot of us do like Nick Cave and have liked all of his albums. Some of us do in fact love his new album quite a bit, we just don't post about every single thing we have heard this year. Heck, one of us even made a thread about him.

By the way, this album is by Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, not Nick Cave.

Finally, I am moving this to Alternative. Not only does it not "sound" like indie-rock but they are on Mute, which is owned by EMI.

OK, I get it, but merely postulating that this album isn't getting buzzed all that much around here (especially compared to last year's Grinderman) probably doesn't warrant your annoyance, when it happens to be true.

You wouldn't need to ''assume'' if you truly read the forums. I have seen at least five other members mention that they like the album. What I am trying to say is that some people don't post about their new favorites every other day. There are a lot of Nick Cave fans around here, or maybe I am wrong and they are mostly gone from these forums now. It's probably the latter.

Grinderman didn't even get that much attention last year (it was in my top ten though) either—it finished 40th on our overall year-end list—which is probably around the same area this new album will finish.

It's not really my job to scour the forums for redundancy, that's your world. It's been common practice in the Indie forum (where this was before it was moved) to have a thread for each album that comes out -- so when it took a long time for this thread to appear, I took that to represent a seeming lack of interest in the album.

I'm a Nick Cave fan but personally I feel that the first half of Grinderman was strong while the other half was pretty rough, and aside from the single, the latest Bad Seeds album is really laughable. It sounds mainstream cheesy to me (whereas the single still has some of the Grinderman/classic edge to it)

Uh... some kind of pissing contest went on over here that i was unaware of these past few hours. I'm pretty sure "youandwhosearmy" knew it was by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds and not JUST Nick Cave, so correcting him on that is a little redundant itself (something moderators seem to hate, but commit sometimes themselves).

I don't want to argue whether this belongs in "indie" or "alternative," but i would go with the former (there's a Liars thread in indie, whose albums were also released on Mute). As well, everything from sub-pop belongs in "Alternative" by such standards considering they've had a distribution deal with Warner Bros. (or some other equally gigantic major labor, i can't remember) for some time now.

And "at least" five members discussing an album doesn't really make it repetitive to make an individual post about the album.

"Some of us do in fact love his new album quite a bit, we just don't post about every single thing we have heard this year"

Believe me, if i posted about everything i heard, i would have no time for anything else in this life. In fact, i haven't even constructed a semi-coherent best-of list, because i have to fully absorb my music before doing something like that. I'm busy, I post on here during my few breaks during the day, or at night when i get off work, and try to discuss music that i like with other like-minded individuals.

I know you have it out for people like me FKA, but i'm genuinely a nice person; i mean, shit, i apologized genuinely for my offensive behavior in another thread and got a PM saying they accepted my apology (it was a mistake that i made, but you had to tell me I've been rude and offensive "for a while now").

I guess people like myself have driven away all the Jedi's and Guru's, huh?

I think another reason Dig Lazarus Dig!!! isn't being mentioned much is because it is a Nick Cave album, it's not a new find or discovery. He always seems to have an album coming out and all of those albums have several people here who enjoy them, so I guess it's not big news to keep bringing him up.
I really dig this one though.

i remember discussing the album the month it came out several times but mainly in the "Best of 2008" thread. and that was it...mainly because it didn't get rave reviews from many. from what i remember, three or four people really like it and approximately the same went against it, such as JGlass or myself

Let me be clear. I respect the effort of the mods to keep things around here in an ordered way. I hate a mess. I think FKA is mostly interested in maintaining a healthy posting ethic around here, rather than inhibiting expression.

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Originally posted by goathouse's enlarging prostate:
Let me be clear. I respect the effort of the mods to keep things around here in an ordered way. I hate a mess. I think FKA is mostly interested in maintaining a healthy posting ethic around here, rather than inhibiting expression.

Perhaps... but sometimes the tone is a little more negative than i like from someone who's supposed to mitigate the discussions.

Back to Nick Cave. The man is completely badass, but i can understand some reservations over his lyrics. However, i feel like he's got a delivery that no one else can even begin to imitate (though there are plenty out there) which makes the lines that are a little less interesting go down more easily. I'd put him a notch or two (okay, maybe three or four notches) below a Tom Waits or Leonard Cohen, but the man's importance in the "goth" and "indie" and even "post-punk" communities is pretty indisputable.

I think this album trumps most of, if not all, of his 00's output. Except "Babe, I'm On Fire," the best 14-minutes Cave has ever put to tape, and maybe "Bring it On," another cheesy song that succeeds despite it's relative schmaltz.

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Originally posted by FragileKidA:
By the way, this album is by Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, not Nick Cave.

Finally, I am moving this to Alternative. Not only does it not "sound" like indie-rock but they are on Mute, which is owned by EMI.

Wow, imagine how stupid I feel now. ¬__¬

OK, let me say a few things and hopefully everyone will understand.

Listen:
First, my only purpose on these forums is not to "mitigate the discussions." I have been a member since '05 so I should be allowed to share my opinion on music and bands/artists as I please—much like you all do.

Second, my post is meant as both what a regular member would say and what a mod would say. I commented on how Nick Cave is actually pretty popular and I noted that this isn't a solo album. Now, I am not saying that the member who started the thread is stupid or any other claim. I was merely pointing something out. And lastly, as a mod, I moved it to Alternative because it doesn't sound like "indie-rock." I mean, if someone asked what they sounded like I wouldn't describe them as that. But if you all really have such a gripe for it to stay in these forums, I will move it back.

I hope that explains my actions. Some of you get your feathers all ruffed up when I state any kind of opinion. Thanks, again, for making me feel like I shouldn't post here though.

I have no problem at all with mods stating their own opinions in posts. I definitely have no problem with you FKA, or with you moving the thread. As I said in the original post, it probably belonged in the general music forum.

It's just that some of the moderation on these boards can occasionally veer into pedantry. It's not like this is the busiest forum on the web, so implying that this thread is superfluous when there is one other general thread about Cave, or pointing out that this album was released on a by Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds rather than just Nick Cave, seems excessive.

Just as you should feel welcome to voice your opinion as a regular forum contributor as well as a mod, you should expect that sometimes people are going to call you on it when it seems like you're being... maybe a bit of a douche.

Just as we would do with regular forum contributors.

I'm going to stop arguing with people... that's what I'm going to do. I thought you were attacking my mojo, but realized you weren't later on.

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Originally posted by CleverName84:
I think this album trumps most of, if not all, of his 00's output. Except "Babe, I'm On Fire," the best 14-minutes Cave has ever put to tape, and maybe "Bring it On," another cheesy song that succeeds despite it's relative schmaltz.

The Lyre of Orpheus/Abatoir Blues is hands down his best output of the 00's, IMHO. Dig Lazarus, Dig!!! doesn't even come close