(edit when I wrote the list so the scores would all line up neatly but when I posted it, I loose all that. Does anyone know why that happened? )

So I was looking at their best 100 albums of 2000-2004 and thinking where would the top abums of 2008 end up in their of 2000-2009. I realised that high scores and high placings are not always a garuntee and wanted to compare the initial score and year end placing of an album with its place on the 00-04 list.

I'm not trying to deify the list (putting arcade fire near the middle is ridiculous) but it is interesting how an albums worth changes over time, which I think is obviously good thing. Like the year end lists, if it was just a ranking of the highest scores it would be pretty boring.

Placing - band - album - intial review - ranking in year end list - year - re-issue score

n/a means they didn't appear in a year end list / couldn't find a review for the album

1. Radiohead, Kid A (10.0) 1st 2000
2. Jay-Z, The Blueprint 2001 (8.7) n/a 2001
3. Interpol, Turn on the Bright Lights (9.5) 1st 2002
4. Outkast, Stankonia n/a n/a 2000
5. The Avalanches, Since I Left You (9.5) 3rd 2001
6. Sigur Ros, Ágætis Byrjun (9.4) 2nd 2000
7. Modest Mouse, The Moon & Antarctica (9.8) 3rd 2000
8. The White Stripes,White Blood Cells (9.0) 8th 2001
9. Animal Collective, Sung Tongs (9.4) 2nd 2004
10. The Streets, Original Pirate Material (7.9) 18th 2002
11. Wilco, Yankee Foxtrot Hotel (10.0) 2nd 2002
12. Daft Punk, Discovery (6.4) n/a 2001
13. Madvillain, Madvillainy (9.4) 6th 2004
14. Spoon, Kill the Moonlight (8.9) 6th 2002
15. Dizzee Rascal, Boy in the Corner (9.4) 12th 2003
16. The Strokes, Is This It* (9.0) 15th 2001
17. Boredoms, Vision Creation Newsun (7.9) n/a 2000
18. Devendra Banhart, Rejoicing in the Hands (8.4) 7th 2004
19. Ghostface Killah, Supreme Clientele n/a n/a 2000
20. The Books, The Lemon of Pink (8.4) 2nd 2003
21. Radiohead, Amnesiac (9.0) 6th 2001
22. The Microphones, The Glow, Pt. 2 (9.2) 1st 2001 (9.3) re-issue
23. The Notwist, Neon Golden (9.2) 7th 2002
24. Boards of Canada, Geogaddi (8.6) 8th 2002
25. Brian Wilson, SMiLE (9.0) 5th 2004
26. Fennesz, Endless Summer (9.4) 2nd 2001
27. Broken Social Scene, You Forgot it In People (9.2) 9th 2003
28. Liars, They Threw Us All In a Trench and (8.1) 10th 2002
Stuck a Monument on Top
29. Fugazi, The Argument (8.5) 20th 2001
30. Clinic, Internal Wrangler (9.3) 9th 2000
31. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, The Tyranny of Distance (8.5) n/a 2001
32. The Flaming Lips, Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots (8.4) 5th 2002
33. Missy Elliot, Under Construction (7.2) 28th 2002
34. Sufjan Stevens, Greetings From Michigan: (8.5) 3rd 2003
The Great Lakes State
35. Jay-Z, The Black Album (8.0) 17th 2004
36. The Streets, A Grand Don't Come for Free (9.1) 3rd 2004
37. Ghostface, The Pretty Toney Album (8.2) 9th 2004
38. The Rapture, Echoes (9.0) 1st 2003
39. Radiohead, Hail to the Thief (9.3) 4th 2003
40. The Fiery Furnaces, Blueberry Boat (9.6) 4th 2004
41, Godspeed You Black Emperor!, Lift Yr Skinny (9.0) 5th 2000
Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
42. Manitoba, Up In Flames (8.6) 5th 2003 (9.0) re-issue
43. Mclusky, Do Dallas (8.4) 24th 2002
44. Deerhoof, Apple O' (8.3) 19th 2002
45. The Arcade Fire, Funeral (9.8) 1st 2004
46. TV on the Radio, Young Liars e.p. (8.9) 24th 2004
47. The Shins, Chutes Too Narrow (8.9) 7th 2003
48. ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead, (10.0) 3rd 2002
Source Tags and Codes
49. Lightning Bolt, Wonderful Rainbow (8.4) 23rd 2003
50. Kanye West, The College Dropout (8.2) 18th 2004
51. Prefuse 73, One Word Extinguisher/Extinguished (9.1) 10th 2001
52. Max Tundra, Mastered by Guy at the Exchange (9.3) 12th 2002
53. The Dismemberment Plan, Change (8.6) 14th 2001
54. Joanna Newsom, The Milk-Eyed Mender (8.0) 10th 2004
55. Cannibal Ox, The Cold Vein (8.3) 17th 2001
56. The Postal Service, Give Up (8.0) 29th 2003
57. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists, Hearts of Oak (8.3) 26th 2003
58. Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Fever to Tell (7.4) n/a 2003
59. M.I.A./Diplo, Piracy Funds Terrorism, Vol. 1 (8.4) 12th 2004
60. Spoon, Girls Can Tell (8.0) n/a 2001
61. The Books, Thought for Food (9.0) 4th 2002
62. Iron & Wine, The Creek Drank the Cradle (8.1) n/a 2002
63. Cat Power, You Are Free (8.9) 34th 2003
64. Animal Collective, Here Comes the Indian (8.6) 40th 2003
65. Basement Jaxx, Rooty (3.8) n/a 2001
66. Basement Jaxx, Kish Kash (9.1) n/a 2003
67. Herbert, Bodily Functions (8.8 n/a 2001
68. 2 Many DJs, As Heard on Radio Soulwax, Vol. 2 (7.6) n/a 2003
69. Erlend Øye, DJ-Kicks (8.2) 14th 2004
70. Sonic Youth, Murray Street (9.0) 9th 2002
71. The Shins, Oh, Inverted World (8.0) n/a 2001
72. Sleater-Kinney, One Beat (9.1) 14th 2002`
73. Deerhoof, Reveille (8.5) 19th 2002
74. Aesop Rock, Labor Days (8.7) n/a 2001
75. M83, Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts (9.2) 8th 2003
76. Missy Elliot, Miss E...So Addictive (8.2) n/a 2001
77. The Wrens, The Meadowlands (9.5) 18th 2003
78. The New Pornographers, Mass Romantic (8.4) 9th 2001
79. The Go! Team, Thunder Lightning Strike (8.7) 8th 2004
80. Annie, Anniemal (8.8) 15th 2004
81. Les Savy Fav, Rome (Written Upside Down) (8.7) 8th 2000
82. King Geedorah, Take Me to Your Leader (9.0) 20th 2003
83. Prefuse 73, Vocal Studies and Uprock Narratives (8.7) 10th 2001
84. Mu, Afro Finger and Gel (9.0) 13th 2003
85. Keith Fullerton Whitman, Playthroughs (9.7) 13th 2002
86. Björk, Medulla (8.4) 19th 2004
87. Ekkehard Ehlers, Plays (8.8) 23rd 2002
88. Viktor Vaughn, Vaudeville Villain (9.1) 25th 2003
89. Franz Ferdinand, s/t (9.1) 26th 2004
90. DJ/Rupture, Minesweeper Suite n/a 36th 2002
91. Yo La Tengo, And Then Nothing Turned Itself (8.1) 4th 2000
Inside-Out
92. The Clientele, Suburban Light (6.6) n/a 2000
93. Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP (10.0) n/a 2000 theoretical score
94. The Strokes, Room on Fire (8.0) 11th 2003
95. Unwound, Leaves Turn Inside You (9.0) 4th 2001
96. The Decemberists, Castaways & Cutouts (8.1) n/a 2002
97. Black Dice, Beaches and Canyons (8.5) 16th 2002
98. Clipse, Lord Willin' n/a n/a 2002
99.The Unicorns, Who Will Cut Our Hair When We're Gone (8.9) 10th 2003
100. Various Artists, DFA Compilation #2 (9.0) 25th 2004

also interesting that a lot of the albums with lower scores or no score or not end of year placing at all are rap or hip hop albums like Jay Z, Outkast, Missy Elliot, clipse, the streets.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: PrairieFire,

Didn't Ágætis Byrjun get a 9.4 or something like that? Anyway, it's interesting how they were not afraid to give due credit to influential albums they initially didn't give a high score to (Discovery 6.4!).

Why in hell do people invest so much time and effort into understanding a very average music website such as Pitchfork??
The writing is often bad, they have pretty dodgy taste...why, why, why?

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Originally posted by PrairieFire:
also interesting that a lot of the albums with lower scores or no score or not end of year placing at all are rap or hip hop albums like Jay Z, Outkast, Missy Elliot, clipse, the streets.

Exactly. I read that as the reviewers being fixated on guitars during the release year in question and then (having realized their indiecentricity) trying to look cooler and more broad minded in retrospect. I'm sure not everybody is with me on that though...

and to be fair that's probably not ALL that's going on. I'm sure that some reviewers came and went between the years of release and the time of compilation of that list.

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Anyway, it's interesting how they were not afraid to give due credit to influential albums they initially didn't give a high score to (Discovery 6.4!).

Well, I think that people in general decided that Discovery was a fucking great album despite getting panned by the 'fork. And the fork had to be trendfollowers instead of trendsetters.

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Originally posted by PrairieFire:
34. Sufjan Stevens, Greetings From Michigan: The Great Lakes State (8.5) 17th 2004

Michigan finished 3rd in 2003. It was Seven Swans that was 17th in 04.

Thanks guys, I fixes up those errors, now If I could just fix up the columns.

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Originally posted by Ninny Gooptz:
Why in hell do people invest so much time and effort into understanding a very average music website such as Pitchfork??
The writing is often bad, they have pretty dodgy taste...why, why, why?

I dunno, just interesting, they seem to like the same records as me. They are one of only two publications to give Kid A a perfect score.

There could be others, but hardly anybody would know if everybody's always reading THAT rag.

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Originally posted by Ninny Gooptz:
Why in hell do people invest so much time and effort into understanding a very average music website such as Pitchfork??
The writing is often bad, they have pretty dodgy taste...why, why, why?

Because they're far and away the most influential reviews source to the indie rock scene.

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Originally posted by Lawrence_Of_Suburbia:

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Originally posted by Ninny Gooptz:
Why in hell do people invest so much time and effort into understanding a very average music website such as Pitchfork??
The writing is often bad, they have pretty dodgy taste...why, why, why?

Because they're far and away the most influential reviews source to the indie rock scene.

And why are they far and away the most influential review source to the indie rock scene?

Because so many people invest so much time and effort into understanding them!!!

aack, I'm dizzy now. better go listen to the hospitals album and get STOKED!!!

wow. putting arcade fire's funeral at #45 is a misfire. i hope they amend that.

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Originally posted by mehermmtsch:
wow. putting arcade fire's funeral at #45 is a misfire. i hope they amend that.

They will. It'll be top 10 next time around, I'd bet. But I'm sort of under the assumption that they voted for their 2000-2004 list before their year end list, as the size of the undertaking of this kind of list would require a lot of work, too much to be done in the few weeks they typically take off after a year end list. So I'm sure they were still warming up to 'Funeral' at that point.

I could be wrong...

I have to believe that some Mastodon would be on there, be that Remission (9.0), Leviathan (8.5), Blood Mountain (8.7), or the new album Crack the Skye (still waiting on a review, but it's getting raves from everyone else, except Q (who suck)).