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Slacker |
I was just listening to records in my Dad's collection. He has two albums by a 70s band called 10cc -'Sheet music' and 'How dare you'
I cannot believe this band has not made any critics list as making brilliant albums! They are like The Beatles and even The Beach Boys - great melodic songs with fantastic ideas and harmonies. Does anybody else know of any bands out there who are great but never make those 'all time great albums' list? Why is it that some bands get overlooked? Elo are another band from that time who were brilliant. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
I played both of those 10cc albums up the yin(g)yang in the '70s. They were brilliantly produced and performed. My friend loved them more than I did, but that was OK. He turned me on to 10cc, and I turned him onto Roxy Music. Then, we went to concerts of Cheap Trick and the Undertones.
 "Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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Jedi |
I also adore 10cc and ELO. I equally love avant-garde and all genres of music, so I am no neo-phyte with only a radio pop perspective. So here are some other acts sniffed at largely by the critical bodies:
Thin Lizzy- Jailbreak Alan Parsons Project- any of the first 7 Uriah Heep (early)-eg. Magician's birthday Asia- Asia The Sweet- Singles Toto- Toto/ 4 Blue Oyster Cult- Tyranny & Mutation or a compilation Stylistics- best of Jim Croce- Best of Gary Glitter- best of Don McLean- Best of Air Supply- Best Of Free- Fire & Water/ best of Foreigner- Best Of Hall & Oates- Best Of Ronnie James Dio-The ELF albums World Party- Goodbye jumbo (very Beatle-ey) Slade- Singles A lot of these acts weren't great at making solid albums, but in this age of single song downloading, you can make a great playlist from their highlights! Oh, could I feel as I have felt, or be what I have been, Or weep as I could once have wept, o'er many a vanished scene; As springs in deserts found seem sweet, all brackish though they be, So, midst the withered waste of life, those tears would flow to me. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
Jailbreak is an exemplary album for its genre. The question is: what is its genre? It seems to be hard rock, rock 'n'roll, pop-rock, British rock, album rock, etc. I believe genres have their place, but sometimes (most of the time), the music speaks for itself. Fuck genres, just show me the Music!
The weird thing for me was that I always enjoyed Jailbreak, but then I learned that one of my fave bands, the Undertones, hated touring with Thin Lizzy. I'm guessing it was a case of lack of respect, but it didn't turn me off either band, although it made it clear that music should be disassociated from personalities and/or blind hatreds. "Naked Woman, Naked Man Where did you get that nice sun tan?" |
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Jedi |
yes mark f, 2 points:
a) I dislike it intensely when people say they don't listen to certain genres. As in, oh I hate reggae blah, blah, blah. As Duke Ellington (reputedly) said, "There are only two kinds of music, good and bad." Music is Music. b) Trust the art, not the artist.  Oh, could I feel as I have felt, or be what I have been, Or weep as I could once have wept, o'er many a vanished scene; As springs in deserts found seem sweet, all brackish though they be, So, midst the withered waste of life, those tears would flow to me. |
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Jedi |
I don't know. I think I'm exposed to a good deal of rap via MTV and the radio. Even the more critically acclaimed stuff that's not on the radio I've checked out. If the coolest rap expert were to give me, say the 4 or 5 best tracks of the year to listen to, I still don't think I'd like it. Like I said, I've tried, but I've come to the conclusion that I just don't like the genre. |
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Jedi |
You're young, right?
At the risk of sounding arrogant, I think you will come to love songs from all genres in time. Oh, could I feel as I have felt, or be what I have been, Or weep as I could once have wept, o'er many a vanished scene; As springs in deserts found seem sweet, all brackish though they be, So, midst the withered waste of life, those tears would flow to me. |
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Jedi |
That is your problem, find the rap/hip-hop discussion and peruse your way through some good hip-hop. |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
So many artists to mention, so little time. But Bevis Frond, Man Or Astroman, DM3, Lee Michaels, Tracy Nelson, Rotary Connection, Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks just to name a few of hundreds.
By critics or public? Lack of time and money. Maybe a lack of desire to explore all kinds of music and artists. A lack of desire to explore artists and albums from the past. And screw the critics- find music with one's own ears. |
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Jedi |
Critics can be good for finding pointers in the right direction. I know I sound like a Forkdrone, but if p4k recommends an album, I'll at least give it a chance, and I generally like what they have as their Best new Music.
------ Aren't there any girls out their who like good music? I need to and want to meet them. My favorite bands are Overkill River, The Nife, Songs:Ohio, and Nuetral Milk Hotel. Please let me know if your into indy music and like to go to show's and drink beer's and makeout. |
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Guru |
A good list, but I can say with almost 100% certainty why Gary Glitter is no longer favoured by the critics. |
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Jedi |
Why, what's so bad about him? Is it because of his music?  |
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Jedi |
He's a pedophile.
np: The Shivvers, "No Reaction" _____________________________ Weep to Water the Trees. "This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician? What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob |
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Jedi |
Do you wanna be in my gang, my gang...?
Oh, could I feel as I have felt, or be what I have been, Or weep as I could once have wept, o'er many a vanished scene; As springs in deserts found seem sweet, all brackish though they be, So, midst the withered waste of life, those tears would flow to me. |
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Jedi |
I know. I was just joking around. In all seriousness, Glitter was nearly executed in Vietnam for his exploits. According to Wikipedia: "In late 2005, Gary Glitter was arrested and charged with rape of under-aged girls" That's right, more then one. So yeah, he's a really, really bad guy. |
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Jedi |
Which, of course, begs the age old question of whether you can love the artwork while hating the artist?
What if Hitler were in a totally awesome band? It was, like, indie heaven! And the songs were totally cool. No weird or unpleasant messages. Would you be allowed to like it? --------------- I wonder if you're mythologizing me, like I do you |
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Jedi |
It's possible, I guess. Though for me if I know something about an artist that isn't very appealing I do tend to use it against said artist. Hell, I've got a Skrewdriver song on my iPod (from before they were out of the White Supremecist closet, "I Don't Need Your Love") and I still feel a little uneasy when I hear it.
_____________________________ Weep to Water the Trees. "This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician? What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob |
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"Forum Moderator" Super Bad-Ass Jedi |
A couple of bands that I adore and love their music that never seem to make critic's top albums list are The Doobie Brothers and Supertramp. Each made at least three different albums that I think I would consider classics, yet they often get ignored.
And also, jazz gets heavily ignored on critic's top albums list. Sure, they will throw in the usual Giant Steps, Kind of Blue, and maybe A Love Supreme but there is a ton of more stuff than just those three albums. Sometimes they will include a few more albums by Miles Davis and Ornette Coleman's The Shape of Jazz to Come but everything else seems to be forgotten. And there is a ton of other amazing stuff out there--Miles Davis alone made at least 20 classic masterpieces, easily. ----- If you don't love me, I'm sorry. |
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Jedi |
Me too. Gary Glitter's the example of this. "Rock and Roll, Parts I and II" and "I Didn't Know I Loved You (Till I saw you Rock and Roll)" are cracking songs. But, given Glitter's criminality, songs such as "Do You Wanna Touch Me?" and "I'm the Leader of the Gang" make me feel slightly ill. It's turned me on his entire output. +++++++++++++++++ Nalgaphobia: the irrational fear of prosthetic buttocks. |
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Jedi |
People, people, people, remember the wise old adage: trust the art, not the artist.
In relation to Glitter et al, it certainly applies, but with regard this thread, critics will often trash music because they think the artist themself isn't 'rock' enough....equally illogical. Oh, could I feel as I have felt, or be what I have been, Or weep as I could once have wept, o'er many a vanished scene; As springs in deserts found seem sweet, all brackish though they be, So, midst the withered waste of life, those tears would flow to me. |
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