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Listen everyone ripping apart Pitchfork, which is unbeleivably easy to do I know, alot of the problems that I think arise from Pitchfork is the fact that their editors require a 600 word minimum article and that some of their writers must be failed English majors. This requires the authors of the articles to embellish and start off with rediculously tangential subject matter and then finally get to the review. When they do get to the review I find that though their writing can oftentimes be obtuse and pretentiously rife with metaphor that ultimately becomes unsustainably incoherent but damn if they don't do a good job of picking damn great albums. I mean even with all of their flaws Pitchfork I feel does the most professional and coherent job of reviewing albums and with providing interesting features(even if they too sometimes are annoying) and at the job that they're supposed to be doing (recommending and reviewing albums to assess their value) I feel they do a pretty good job. And from what I've seen of other sites, while they do review alot of the same albums that Pitchfork does, the reviews I've read from tinycokemachines, which to be fair haven't been that many, were sometimes even worse then Pitchfork. So I guess I understand your frustration I mean it's always annoying to read a music review and not actually get a review of the music, but still I think that Pitchfork, aside from the pretentiousness, really does a good job(most of the time).
 
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I don't want to kill the thread, and I doubt that I could if I wanted to, but everybody takes Pitchfork for what they want: Savior or Pariah or something in-between. I don't want to sound above/know-it-all, but I've never read a Pitchfork or any other on-line review (except for AMG) unless somebody bitched about it, or I was interested in MC's early reviews of something unreleased I was interested in. Wink Cool


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In light of VICE Magazine being a horrible racist circle jerk, I suddenly don't mind P4K as much. Their reviews still blow ass but f*ck 'em. I don't have to read them and they're miles better than VICE's.


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apples and oranges, dude. apples and oranges.
 
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Listen everyone ripping apart Pitchfork, which is unbeleivably easy to do I know, alot of the problems that I think arise from Pitchfork is the fact that their editors require a 600 word minimum article and that some of their writers must be failed English majors. This requires the authors of the articles to embellish and start off with rediculously tangential subject matter and then finally get to the review. When they do get to the review I find that though their writing can oftentimes be obtuse and pretentiously rife with metaphor that ultimately becomes unsustainably incoherent but damn if they don't do a good job of picking damn great albums. I mean even with all of their flaws Pitchfork I feel does the most professional and coherent job of reviewing albums and with providing interesting features(even if they too sometimes are annoying) and at the job that they're supposed to be doing (recommending and reviewing albums to assess their value) I feel they do a pretty good job. And from what I've seen of other sites, while they do review alot of the same albums that Pitchfork does, the reviews I've read from tinycokemachines, which to be fair haven't been that many, were sometimes even worse then Pitchfork. So I guess I understand your frustration I mean it's always annoying to read a music review and not actually get a review of the music, but still I think that Pitchfork, aside from the pretentiousness, really does a good job(most of the time).


I think I can agree with that.


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I find it harder and harder to figure out what Pitchfork is doing with their ratings and "Recommended" and "Best New Music" categories. There is an increasing disconnect between the two. Today they gave the Futureheads' new album a 7.7 and Recommended status. How many albums this year have they given higher than a 7.7 and yet haven't seen fit to designate as Recommended? Dozens I'm sure.
 
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I find it harder and harder to figure out what Pitchfork is doing with their ratings and "Recommended" and "Best New Music" categories. There is an increasing disconnect between the two. Today they gave the Futureheads' new album a 7.7 and Recommended status. How many albums this year have they given higher than a 7.7 and yet haven't seen fit to designate as Recommended? Dozens I'm sure.


Quite a valid point. I think it has a lot to do with the caliber of the artist, their past work and whether they've been known in the past. I don't think it is a cohesive system but then again it is a more recent addition. Still there should be a consistency.
 
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well im reviving this thread. i love p4k, but another thing ive found odd is the often lack of synchronization overall. for example, the arcade fire got a 9.7 and number 1 album of 04 blabla bla...yet it was #45 on the best albums of 2000-2004 list.
 
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One of the things that is a common misconception concerning p4k, is we view it as this singular entity that gives out reviews and makes lists, but that's not what it is. P4k is a collective group of unpaid reviewers who review albums and vote on lists.
 
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Are they still unpaid? I thought by now they would at least have the resources and clout to make a good amount of money.

I always wondered when they would become a Weekly Magazine, i guess that won't happen after 10 years at this point.
 
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They've been paid for years. They're probably one of the only independent sites that does so. $40 crap is still crap, though.


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