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quote: Originally posted by Liberalkid:
Well there's Pitchfork's review of sky blue sky
I actually love that p4k review, even if I would rate SBS a little lower than 5.2. I mean the mileage I've gotten from the 'dad-rock' comment alone was worth reading that one-- and I never read p4k's reviews unless someone links me to it.
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What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob
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| Posts: 1996 | Location: The Noog, TN | Registered: 08 April 2007 | |
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Meh... SBS deserved a 7, even if Wilco could maybe do better. They still evolved musically and released yet another solid album, just because it isn't as experimental as their other records doesn't mean it's not good. On a note Tweedy considers sbs just as experimental as yhf because it was still the sound of Wilco experimenting to find a new sound.
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A band changing their sound doesn't make it experimental, or else bands that "sell out" would be taking a more "experimental approach". SBS was boring as hell, it was in no way an above-average record... it was so average that I consider it below average (and not just because it's Wilco). Actually, if his intentions were to make an album so dull, boring, and ordinary... then you might consider that entirely experimental (hey you, The National, yeah, you fall into this category too!). Crisp production and decent musicianship will never make an album close to memorable.
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| Posts: 2499 | Location: Drug induced coma. | Registered: 01 December 2006 | |
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Actually you're wrong. Sky Blue Sky was an absolutely gorgeous album from a band on top form. It'd only be boring if you have a short attention span or only listen to music at 200bpm. Masterpiece is the word I'd use.
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| Posts: 754 | Location: Glasgow | Registered: 21 December 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by JGlass:
SBS was boring as hell, it was in no way an above-average record... it was so average that I consider it below average (and not just because it's Wilco).
Amen.
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"This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician?
What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob
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| Posts: 1996 | Location: The Noog, TN | Registered: 08 April 2007 | |
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I'm of the opinion that Sky Blue Sky is a solid record. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but I wouldn't call it 'boring' either. I don't believe there is a 'bad' song on the album, so I think it may come off as 'boring' due to the sheer efficiency of the effort. I'd probably give it a 7. ---------------------------------- I'm so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis." This is the day, your life will surely change
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| Posts: 3477 | Location: Strange Days | Registered: 18 October 2004 | |
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quote: Originally posted by Borachon:
Actually you're wrong. Sky Blue Sky was an absolutely gorgeous album from a band on top form. It'd only be boring if you have a short attention span or only listen to music at 200bpm. Masterpiece is the word I'd use.
I listen to Melt Banana and I listen to Basinski... I still maintain that SBS is not gorgeous, not interesting, and not Wilco in top form. I will give Wilco tons of credit for this: every single one of their albums is polarizing. That says a lot.
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| Posts: 2499 | Location: Drug induced coma. | Registered: 01 December 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by JGlass:
I will give Wilco tons of credit for this: every single one of their albums is polarizing. That says a lot.
Interesting. I am not sure if I completely agree with you but I can definitely see where you are coming from. For the die-hards that liked them before Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, that album was surely very different.
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| Posts: 5708 | Location: Texas | Registered: 27 December 2005 | |
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Ooooh! The great Wilco debate again. I've already gone on at length about how people will realize that SBS, while not Wilco's best, deserves its place up there with A Ghost is Born, Summerteeth, and YHF. SBS features Tweedy's best vocals and lyrics, and I love the guitar work. I will add this to the discussion. I made a Wilco playlist on my iPod and hit shuffle. The tracks from SBS hold up very well against the songs from any other album. The production is better and the sound is clearer. I've always thought that YHF would be a better album without the distracting electronic flourishes. I'd hold up Possible Germany, Either Way, or Walken to Jesus, Ect., Ashes of American Flags, or Heavy Metal Drummer any day.
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| Posts: 404 | Location: Los Angeles | Registered: 18 December 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by JGlass:
I think the production is one of the things that make the album so bad imo and the guitar work is its only redeeming feature.
In what way do you mean "production"? I'm sort of an audiophile, and I think it sounds great. On my system, anyway. |
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| Posts: 858 | Location: Ain'T it stiLl obvious? | Registered: 22 August 2006 | |
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Robert Christgau sucks ass. His "review" of Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos is like watching a baby crap itself over a keyboard.
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quote: Originally posted by Dork:
Robert Christgau sucks ass. His "review" of Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos is like watching a baby crap itself over a keyboard.
Uh, could we please stay on topic here?
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Weep to Water the Trees.
"This is my main concern with Obama; what if he has been groomed since childhood to blend in with the zionists and infidels? What if he has been led along by a radical islamic terrorist organization and positioned to become an influential politician?
What if Obama gets into White House and turns out to be some crazy muslim terrorist? What do we do then? We'll be pretty screwed. It could happen." -- by some fucking nutjob
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| Posts: 1996 | Location: The Noog, TN | Registered: 08 April 2007 | |
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That made me giggle. So, can we pick on the p4ks review of the National now? I mean, OMG this album is sooooo deep: quote: Stephen Douchner wrote:
Better even than these songs are the three mid-album tracks that toy with a love = war metaphor that miraculously avoids the obviousness that implies. On "Slow Show", over background guitar drones and a piano theme that echoes U2's "New Year's Day", he daydreams, "I want to hurry home to you/ Put on a slow dumb show for you/ Crack you up." But the capper is in the coda: "You know I dreamed about you for 29 years before I saw you." That hard-won contentment begins to crumble in "Apartment Story", in which the world invades the couple's shared space, and in "Start a War", where the possibility of loss looms threateningly. "Walk away now and you're gonna start a war," Berninger sings against the band's simple, uncomfortably insistent rhythm, his concrete fears giving the song the extra heft of the personal.
Totally hits me in the gut. Totally.
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| Posts: 2499 | Location: Drug induced coma. | Registered: 01 December 2006 | |
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quote: Originally posted by JGlass:
I don't think it sounds poor, one of my biggest pet peeves is an album that sounds so overproduced that it's manufactured, cheap... one of the reasons I also hate Kanye (and when you don't like Kanye's production, what redeeming qualities are left? His "confidence"?).
Hey, I'm totally with you on Kanye. I don't "get" his popularity. He just seems like such a punk ass to me. |
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| Posts: 858 | Location: Ain'T it stiLl obvious? | Registered: 22 August 2006 | |
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Jackson, nobody gives a rat's ass that you don't like Boxer. It's your loss anyways. 
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