L. R. William Spencer Apprentice Guru Posted 12 January 2007 06:11 PM Hide Post quote: Originally posted by FragileKidA: quote: Originally posted by L. R. William Spencer: I think it's top 15 or so here... it was in my top 10 (pretty sure), but "Shankill Butchers", "When The War Came", "The Perfect Crime 2" and "Summersong" are geniunely bad songs. A top 5 record can't have 4 bad songs... Couldn't disagree with you more. I think that practically every single song on that album is amazing, especially the three-part "The Island..." I would have to say that they have matured nicely, the songwriting is incredibly good and they are getting better and better. I don't mean to put you down, but I really disagree with you on this.
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OK, FragileKidA, I just relistened to the four songs I mentioned, and this is what I came up with:
The Perfect Crime 2 sounds like a Bee Gees outcast with no falsetto.
During When The War Came, I half-expect Linkin Park to cut in.
Shankill Butchers is about a bunch of dudes with cleavers killing people...
Summersong, I've decided, isn't genuinely bad. It is genuinely nothing but fluff.
IMO, of coursse.
Other than Perfect Crime 2, which I just like the groove of, I've got to side with L.R on this one Fragile...When the War Came through Summersong is definitely the weakest stretch of Crane Wife, and the reason it just missed my personal top twenty.
1. The Hold Steady: Boys and Girls in America 2. Girl Talk: Night Ripper 3. The Thermals: The Body, the Blood, the Machine 4. Yo La Tengo: I am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass 5. Subtle: For Hero/For Fool 6. The Format: Dog Problems 7. Neko Case: Fox Confessor Brings the Flood 8. Ghostface Killah: Fishscales 9. Howe Gelb: 'sno Angel Like You 10. Dixie Chicks: Taking the Long Way 11. Belle and Sebastian: The Life Pursuit 12. The Knife: Silent Shout 13. Tim Hecker: The Harmony in Ultraviolet 14. J-Dilla: Donuts 15. T.I.: King 16. Joanna Newsom: Ys 17. Band of Horses: Everything All the Time 18. Gnarls Barkley: St. Elsewhere 19. Clipse: Hell Hath No Fury 20. Justin Timberlake: FutureSex/LoveSounds
":For the record, my two favorite genres are probably RAP and ELECTRONIC/AVANT-GARDE. This list is definitely me stepping out of my comfort zone - I listened to way too much fuckin music in 2006 - but I can't wait for next year.
Damn!!! Last year I listened to Isolee a few weeks too late to earn a spot in my top 20. This year it is The Knife. Probably would have fit into #11 spot. Oh well....I'll make sure to buy those electronic options sooner next year rather than later....
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1 Regina Spector/Begin to hope 92 2 Tom Waits/Orphans 91 3 M. Ward /Post war 89 4 Ali Farka Toure/Savane 88 5 Juana Molina/Son 87 6 Bob Dylan/Modern times 86 7 Joanna Newsom/Ys 84 8 Hold steady/Boys and girls in America 83 9 Midlake /Van Occupanther 82 10 Solomon Burke/Nashville 82 11 TV on the radio/Cookie mountain 81 12 Howe Gelb/sno angel like you 81 13 Guillemots/Through The Window pane 81 14 Joseph Arthur/Nuclear daydream 81 15 Cat Power/The greatest 80 16 Decemberists/The Crane wife 80 17 Neko Case/Fox Confessor Brings The Flood 80 18 Los Lobos/The town and the city 79 19 Alejandro Escovedo/The boxing mirror 79 20 The knife/Silent shout 79
Actually my no. 1 was Camille/Le fil, but at the end I found out that it was released in 2005. Biggest disappointments: Destroyers, Grizzly bears, Belle and Sebastian
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Actually my no. 1 was Camille/Le fil, but at the end I found out that it was released in 2005.
There is an '05 on at least one edition but most the world saw this released in 2006. It would have been in my top 20 had I not liked her live album (also from '06) better. That album may have a bigger release this year. Music knows no years, just yer ears.
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Originally posted by crazed: It would have been in my top 20 had I not liked her live album (also from '06) better. That album may have a bigger release this year. Music knows no years, just yer ears.
I will try to get that live album: I saw her live here in London and it was a fantastic show: great performer!
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Only song I didn't like as much, on the album was "When the war came." I thought it was a bit obvious, and dead monotonous. I really liked perfect crime, as I thought it was a stretch for them. I hear echoes of Steely Dan, and Talking Heads. Shankhill Butchers, to me, is the most typically Decemberists song on the album. It's the correlate to Eli the Barrow Boy. Summersong, in my opinion is terribly hooky. I get it stuck in my head, and can't stop hearing it. I think the album is a transition album. They seem to be leaving 19th century English folk behind, in favor of 1970's prog, and The Island, and Crane wife suite illustrate it nicely. I think the album fulfills on the promise of the Tain. [/QUOTE]
Other than Perfect Crime 2, which I just like the groove of, I've got to side with L.R on this one Fragile...When the War Came through Summersong is definitely the weakest stretch of Crane Wife, and the reason it just missed my personal top twenty.
Really like the rest of the album though.[/QUOTE]
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1 Regina Spector/Begin to hope 92 2 Tom Waits/Orphans 91 3 M. Ward /Post war 89 4 Ali Farka Toure/Savane 88 5 Juana Molina/Son 87 6 Bob Dylan/Modern times 86 7 Joanna Newsom/Ys 84 8 Hold steady/Boys and girls in America 83 9 Midlake /Van Occupanther 82 10 Solomon Burke/Nashville 82 11 TV on the radio/Cookie mountain 81 12 Howe Gelb/sno angel like you 81 13 Guillemots/Through The Window pane 81 14 Joseph Arthur/Nuclear daydream 81 15 Cat Power/The greatest 80 16 Decemberists/The Crane wife 80 17 Neko Case/Fox Confessor Brings The Flood 80 18 Los Lobos/The town and the city 79 19 Alejandro Escovedo/The boxing mirror 79 20 The knife/Silent shout 79
Actually my no. 1 was Camille/Le fil, but at the end I found out that it was released in 2005. Biggest disappointments: Destroyers, Grizzly bears, Belle and Sebastian
Great list. And I love "Le Fil". Actually, the record had an '06 stateside release, so you could've included it. Like I meant to. :-\
I think Camille did not get the love she deserves generally in the US, probably because she sings in French. I am not criticising because I agree that not understanding the lyrics reduces the appeal of an artist. Actually English is my fourth language and in most cases I don't really pick up most of the lyrics in this language, so I am used to pay more attention to the music and the general flow
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1. Joanna Newsom - Ys 2. Subtle - For Hero: For Fool 3. TV On The Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain 4. Beirut - Gulag Orkestrar 5. The Roots - Game Theory 6. Tapes 'n' Tapes - The Loon 7. The Knife - Silent Shout 8. Comets on Fire - Avatar 9. John Legend - Once Again 10.Ghostface Killah - Fishscale 11.Serena-Maneesh (s/t) 12.Aphex Twin - Chosen Lords 13.Katerine - Robots Apres Tout 14.Thom York - The Eraser 15.The Human Value (s/t) 16.Outkast - Idlewild 17.Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury 18.Stuart A Staples - Leaving Songs 19.Isobel Campbell - Milkwhite Sheets 20.The Long Blondes - SOmeone To Drive You Home
Originally posted by crazed: It would have been in my top 20 had I not liked her live album (also from '06) better. That album may have a bigger release this year. Music knows no years, just yer ears.
I will try to get that live album: I saw her live here in London and it was a fantastic show: great performer!
I'd love to see her in concert. I normally don't care much for live albums but Camille's Live au Trianon was fantastic. 14 of the 21 songs are from Le Fil and the remainder from Les Sac des Filles. I don't speak French and not understanding the lyrics doesn't bother me. I've always felt language doesn't matter when the relationship between the singer and their lyrics (and music) clicks. That's certainly the case on all Camille's albums.
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Originally posted by L. R. William Spencer: During When The War Came, I half-expect Linkin Park to cut in.
Bwahahaha! I assume you have never heard a single Linkin Park song, or you would never make such a ridiculous statement.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they're that ridiculous band that did a split with Jay-Z. They scream a lot, right?
Yes.
But absolutely nothing off of The Crane Wife comes even close in any conceiveable way to Linkin Park. If you'd ever heard a Linkin Park album (guilty as charged), you'd realize just how obviously wrong that statement is.
It's rockier than anything else on the album, yes, but it's still basically a mild folk-pop song. In terms of style, overproduction, heavyness, and many other aspects, you could not be farther off base.
I don't mind people bashing The Crane Wife or any of the songs on it, but come on. When The War Came does not sound like "Nu" Metal.
Originally posted by L. R. William Spencer: I feel as though The Hold Steady has a very slim lead right now...
There's no way. Perhaps if this was a poll of only older Metacritic users (I don't mean agewise, I mean those who didn't just recently register due to the link on metacritic's page) The Hold Steady would win. As it is, almost all the newbies have TVOTR on their lists.
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Originally posted by Tru Blu: my top 20 for 2006 1. Joanna Newsom - Ys 2. Subtle - For Hero: For Fool 3. TV On The Radio - Return To Cookie Mountain 4. Beirut - Gulag Orkestrar 5. The Roots - Game Theory 6. Tapes 'n' Tapes - The Loon 7. The Knife - Silent Shout 8. Comets on Fire - Avatar 9. John Legend - Once Again 10.Ghostface Killah - Fishscale 11.Serena-Maneesh (s/t) 12.Aphex Twin - Chosen Lords 13.Katerine - Robots Apres Tout 14.Thom York - The Eraser 15.The Human Value (s/t) 16.Outkast - Idlewild 17.Clipse - Hell Hath No Fury 18.Stuart A Staples - Leaving Songs 19.Isobel Campbell - Milkwhite Sheets 20.The Long Blondes - SOmeone To Drive You Home
Not that my lowly opinion matters, but I really like your list. Outkast's albums wasn't as bad as many people though it was. I also like that you have John Legend's latest that high.
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Originally posted by BContrat: There's no way. Perhaps if this was a poll of only older Metacritic users (I don't mean agewise, I mean those who didn't just recently register due to the link on metacritic's page) The Hold Steady would win. As it is, almost all the newbies have TVOTR on their lists.
With that said, I have a gut feeling that the order will most likely be:
Unless The Decemberists have garnered enough votes to be pushed into the top 3 and take down one of the "big dogs." Hopefully it does. And although kendocubano and L.R. will disagree with me (and it's ok if they do) but I really love The Crane Wife.
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Those of you who are jerks, have fun accusing the next four or five new people of being me. I hope for your sake you're only assholes online.
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