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Originally posted by m.leland:
Yup. And those kind of comments belong in the appropriate forums. I seem to recall a fairly extensive list of threads in "Best and Worst of 2006" where a comment like that might be considered something other than poo-pooing.

Um, this is the appropriate forum. How many posts in this thread have been non-lists? Well over 50%. I'd say my post fits right in with the rest of the banter in this thread.

Is it ok for me to say that I think this was a rather disappointing year for indie music and a banner year for rap/hiphop? I hope I don't offend any of the sensitive souls for that comment.

TVOTR and Hold Steady are good albums but they certainly aren't great. I just think indie fans have been waiting for that great "illinoise" of '06 that's just not there and decided to go with a couple of inferior yet solid albums. It's all good, and understandable.

Of course, I could be wrong.

EDIT: OMG, i forgot about camera obscura

although it won't count, i guess i'll make my list just to get it out of my head.

1. the blood brothers - young machetes
2. tv on the radio - return to cookie mountain
3. m. ward - post-war
4. ghostface - fishscale
5. band of horses - everything all the time
6. camera obscura - let's get out of this country
7. someone still loves you boris yeltsin - broom (i can't believe i haven't seen this on ANY list ONCE! great great pop album)
8. beach house - beach house
9. beirut - gulag orkestar
10. destroyer - destroyer's rubies
11. cunninlynguists - a piece of strange (one of the best hip-hop releases that's being overlooked)
12. islands - return to the sea
13. xiu xiu - the air force
14. cursive - happy hollow (a good cursive album is still a great album. i hope their next release will be of better caliber like 'domestica' and 'the ugly organ')
15. jenny lewis & the watson twins - rabbit fur coat
16. daedelus - denies the day's demise
17. sunset rubdown - shut up i am dreaming
18. tapes 'n tapes - the loon
19. yndi halda - enjoy eternal bliss
20. yppah - you are beautiful at all times (think of a more hyped up bonobo and the old dabrye)


can't say this is the final list though.
decemberists
final fantasy
cat power
tokyo police club & voxtrot EPs (if they could count)
grizzly bear
liars
i feel bad for not putting that many electronic releases and many other good releases that i might have put in those last spots and taken a few of those off as well.

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got a list of sorts:

01 tv on the radio - return to cookie mountain
02 liars - drums not dead
03 mogwai - mr. beast
04 junior boys - so this is goodbye
05 spank rock - yo yo yo yo yo yo
06 technasia - popsoda
07 burial - burial
08 girl talk - night ripper
09 fujiya and miyagi - transparent things
10 glissandro 70 - s/t
11 clark - body riddle
12 the knife - silent shout
13 asobi seksu - citrus
14 herbert - scale
15 boxcutter - oneiric
16 squarepusher - hello everything
17 merzbow and john wiese - multiplication
18 whitehouse - asceticists 2006
19 matmos - the rose has teeth in the mouth of the beast
20 thom yorke - the eraser
21 underworld and gabriel yared - breaking and entering
22 ascii disko - alias
23 basement jaxx - crazy itch radio
24 ratatat - classics
25 ellen allien and apparat - orchestra of bubbles
26 charlotte gainsbourg - 5 55
27 clipse - hell hath no fury
28 mogwai - zidane, a 21st century portrait
29 milanese - extend
30 beck - the information
31 kode9 and spaceape - memories of the future
32 underworld - i'm a big sister, and i'm a girl, and i'm a princess, and this is my horse
33 justin timberlake - futuresex/lovesounds
34 gnarls barkley - st elsewhere
35 jimmy edgar - color strip
36 alex smoke - paradolia
37 nathan fake - drowning in a sea of love
38 black keys - magic potion
39 thomas brinkmann - klick revolution
40 booka shade - movements

A question I'm asking myself:

How is the number one record of this year NOT a no brainer?

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Yup. And those kind of comments belong in the appropriate forums. I seem to recall a fairly extensive list of threads in "Best and Worst of 2006" where a comment like that might be considered something other than poo-pooing.

huh? It must be too subtle for my poor shock attuned senses.

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Regardless of whether TVOTR or Hold Steady wins this year, there's still not an album on the list that's nearly as good as Sufjan's "Illinoise". imo.

Illinoise has some amazing songs/moments. But it's soooo bloated and stuffed with extraneous crap that somebody really should have taken out. Unlike the majority of contenders this year for the prize.

(Not to mention all the books he hit, which is about the most ass-backwards way to write a song ever.)

Somebody already quoted Regina Spektor on this (m.leland perhaps?) - "you can write... but you can't edit." And despite all the soft pop affectations that make it difficult for me to fall for her, she's right on the button about that.

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Is it ok for me to say that I think this was a rather disappointing year for indie music and a banner year for rap/hiphop? I hope I don't offend any of the sensitive souls for that comment.

First, it would probably be better off for you if you stopped worrying so much. Some people have an uncanny talent for getting offended.

But I am a bit confused by what you would call a banner year. Does that mean a large quantity of good releases? Or the ones that were good were REALLY good? Or both? Cos on most lists I've seen either indie outnumbers hip-hop or they're almost even. It might also help if I could see your list.

If you are so hung up on Illinoise, it makes sense that you might be disappointed with 2006. I, on the other hand, am more a fan of surprises than anything. and I think '06 had plenty of surprises.

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1. Joanna Newsom – Ys
2. Thom Yorke – The Eraser
3. TV On The Radio – Return To Cookie Mountain
4. The Decemberists – The Crane Wife
5. Ghostface Killah – Fishscale
6. Tool – 10,000 Days
7. Red Hot Chili Peppers – Stadium Arcadium
8. The Roots – Game Theory
9. Gnarls Barkley – St. Elsewhere
10. Bonnie Prince Billy – The Letting Go
11. Beck – The Information
12. Nas – Hip Hop Is Dead
13. Yo La Tengo – I am Not Afraid of You and I Will Beat Your Ass
14. The Flaming Lips – At War With The Mystics
15. Lupe Fiasco – Food & Liquor
16. Justin Timberlake – FutureSex/LoveSound
17. Mars Volta – Amputecture
18. Mono – You Are There
19. Mogwai – Mr. Beast
20. J-Dilla - The Shining

Where are all these newcomers coming from(1st posters). I didn't see quite this many last year, not even close. I know their lists won't count, but just wondering how they found this site at this time of the year....maybe they will indulge us. Anyway, at this rate, next year metacritic(if newcomers stay on site) will have to pay one of us to keep track of lists...lol

There's a link on the main Metacritic page asking people to post their lists on the forum. I don't think they've ever done that before.

I would say that moreso than TV on the Radio or The Hold Steady, Joanna Newsom's Ys is the Illinoise of this year.

Widely raved by critics, faced with big backlash, and accused of being precious and too damned long.

I love both albums, but Ys is definitely the more consistent album.

Besides, The Sunset Tree was the best album of 05. Duh.

1. Sam's Town, The Killers
2. Yours To Keep, Albert Hammond, Jr.
3. First Impressions of Earth, The Strokes
4. Both Sides of The Gun, Ben Harper
5. Broken Boy Soldiers, The Raconteurs
6. Light Grenades, Incubus
7. Kingdom Come, Jay-Z
8. Friendly Fire, Sean Lennon
9. Wolfmother, Wolfmother
10. Shine On, Jet

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Originally posted by hudson:
Um, this is the appropriate forum. How many posts in this thread have been non-lists? Well over 50%. I'd say my post fits right in with the rest of the banter in this thread.

Is it ok for me to say that I think this was a rather disappointing year for indie music and a banner year for rap/hiphop? I hope I don't offend any of the sensitive souls for that comment.

TVOTR and Hold Steady are good albums but they certainly aren't great. I just think indie fans have been waiting for that great "illinoise" of '06 that's just not there and decided to go with a couple of inferior yet solid albums. It's all good, and understandable.

Of course, I could be wrong.

Yeah your post fits in with everything else here. I think that's what this forum is for: for people to post their lists and for people to comment on them--that can be in a negative and/or positive manner. There are a lot of people here that would die for indie music--if that is an official genre--so when you even say one little thing with the word indie in it, there could be a backlash. Some people love indie stuff even if it isn't that good; some people will even choose a mediocre indie albums (won't mention any albums from this year, although there are plenty) over a superior, solid hip-hop effort (also plenty from this year.) There could be tons of reasons for this but it could also be as simple as someone saying "I just don't like rap"--which is fine also. Anyways, you can say what you want but if someone gets offended or in many cases smart, it goes with the territory.

By the way, the album is titled Illinois not "Illinoise." And I do have to agree with nathanielkt that Joanna Newsom's album is probably the Illinois of this year.

1. TV on the Radio - Return to Cookie Mountain
2. Scritti Politti - White Bread, Black Beer
3. Boris - Pink
4. E-40 - My Ghetto Report Card
5. Morrissey - Ringleader of the Tormentors
6. Burial - Burial
7. Trae - Restless
8. Erase Errata - Nightlife
9. Tom Waits - Orphans
10. Lupe Fiasco - Food & Liquor

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3. You must have been a Metacritic forum member for at least two months or have 30 posts to be eligible. Anyone with fewer votes may post a list but will not be counted.

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I don't understand why this rule has been enforced. Heaps of interesting lists will not be counted as a result. It all sounds elitist and indie-nazi-esque to me.

Do you know how many people sign in, post a list, and then never return? The whole idea is to count the lists of forum members, and those people can hardly be considered such.

Stocky, it is about participating. That is what a forum is - posting a couple times and then bounding off never to return is not participating on a forum.

1. Joanna Newsom "Ys"
2. Bonnie 'Prince' Billy "The Letting Go"
3. Yo La Tengo "I'm not afraid of you and I will beat your ass"
4. Grizzly Bear "Yellow House"
5. Max Richter "Songs From Before"
6. Anathallo "Floating World"
7. The Decemberists "The Crane Wife"
8. M. Ward "Post War"
9. Neko Case "Fox Confessor Brings the Flood"
10. Ghostface Killah "Fishscale"
11. David Thomas Broughton "The Complete Guide to Insufficiency"
12. TV on the Radio "RtmCM"
13. My Brightest Diamond "Bring Me the Workhorse"
14. Susanna and the Magical Orchestra "Melody Mountain"
15. Mono "You are There"
16. The White Birch "Come up for Air"
17. Band of Horses "Everything all the Time"
18. Subtle "For Hero : For Fool"
19. Belle and Sebastian "the Life Pursuit"
20. Califone "Roots and Crowns

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Originally posted by FragileKidA:
By the way, the album is titled Illinois not "Illinoise."

I call it Illinoise because that's what's on the cover. Come on feel the 'Illinoise'. If you want to call it Illinois that's ok I guess, but Illinoise is what the cool, 'in the know' people call it. I have the illegal version with the superman on the cover. So that increases my indie cool points big time.

1. Neko Case - Fox Confessor Brings the Flood
2. Oceansize - Everyone Into Position
3. Elbow - Leaders of the Free World
4. Isobel Campbell & Mark Lanegan - Ballad of the Broken Seas
5. Damien Rice - 9
6. Ray Lamontagne - Till the Sun Turns Black
7. TOOL - 10,000 Days
8. Joseph Arthur - Nuclear Daydream
9. Muse - Black Holes & Revelations
10. Regina Spektor - Begin to Hope

30 posts!
I should have listed my top 20 one at a time then.

The point is collecting lists from real metacritic forum users, not just one time posters...