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Originally posted by hudson:

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Originally posted by Alchemy:
What exactly is “atrocious taste in music” by your standards?

Those who have atrocious taste in music are those who listen to, on a regular basis and admire:

Any country music made in the last 15 years.
Nickelback
My Chemical Romance
Say Anything
Good Charlotte
Post-Insomniac Weezer
Avril Lavigne
Sum 41
Chris Daughtry
Def Lepard
Bon Jovi
Gwen Stefani
John Mayer
Matchbox 20

To name a few. I could go on.

I don't listen to any of those.

That's because you have good taste in music mike.

I don't mind me some Bon Jovi, although I think the country flavored stuff they're doing now is pretty bad.

Luckily, I have no plans to date hudson.

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Luckily, I have no plans to date hudson.

Yeah, the Bon Jovi is a deal-breaker. They made some half-way decent songs back in the late 80s, but the douchebaggery of the band and over-rides any redeeming qualities, imo.

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They made some half-way decent songs back in the late 80s

Well, those are the ones I'm saying I don't mind. Even you admit they're halfway decent.

I know you rock out to "Livin' On A Prayer" when no one's looking, hudson!

I'm going to say Def Leppard has some gems too.

The rest, I'll agree with you on though. That music does pretty much all suck.

To rescue this hopelessly derailed thread:

Bass, I encourage you to post a new version of this song, or perhaps a new song entirely. I think if I can listen to what you are trying to improve upon then I can try to give you more profitable critiques. I make electronic music myself and one thing that I end up doing is going back again and again and just "tweaking" the sounds or slightly modifying the structure.

Also I would be interested to learn what software you use to create your tracks.

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To rescue this hopelessly derailed thread:

Hey, if this thread hadn't been derailed, Baas' song would've gotten very little exposure here at metacritic. Then again maybe that would've been a good thing. I JOKE!

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I agree with you on your separation between arrogance and confidence Baas, because the two can easily be confused, however it quite often comes down to opinion for who is arrogant and why, some may right off hudsons behavior as what you defined as confidence.

The reason I believe it’s better to just ignore hudsons type of criticism, is because there is no point trying to argue with him, by doing that, you’re only validating your own lack of confidence in your work, and I believe there is no reason for you to not be confident, because I thought what you made was good.

Besides, if you want to make a form of art like music, you’re going to have to accept that there is always going to be people who like to shoot you dwon, could you imagine if Chad Kroeger from Nickelback tried arguing with every critic in the world who wrote off his music? Lmao He would be arguing for all eternity, not that I’m comparing you to Chad Kroeger, but hopefully you can see my point, there is always people who want to shoot you down with hurtful comments, in my opinion there is no reason associating with people when they’re going to be like that.

You know what Alchemy, you are absolutely right. that is exactly what i needed to hear. Thanks for enlightening me. I really am validating my lack of confidence by arguing with hudson, and I will always run into rude ppl who say my music sucks no matter what. I will work on improving the track and post it here again, but it will take a little while. Oh and I am using FL Studio with lots of vst's like battery 3, korg legacy collection, ultrafunk, ozone etc. Thanks for your support guys,

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Post-Insomniac Weezer

Weezer has never done anything called “Insomniac.” If you are referring to Green Day’s post-Insomniac work then I guess I have bad taste, I do like some of their stuff after that album.

Oh well, I have bad taste in music now, I had no idea—thanks for pointing that out, yet another well thought out contribution.

I like some Country Music, Bon Jovi, Def Lepard, Nickelback, John Mayer and Matchbox Twenty, does that make my taste in music atrocious? No.

It seems like you have a grudge towards simplistic or catchy music, you’re casting a pretty wide net if you want to insult people Hudson.

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I like some Country Music, Bon Jovi, Def Lepard, Nickelback, John Mayer and Matchbox Twenty, does that make my taste in music atrocious?

Liking one of those bands makes your musical taste atrocious. Liking 6 of those bands makes your musical taste mind blowingly atrocious. May God have mercy on your soul.

Luckily for me, that's subject to opinion, unless everyone on this Forum decides to side with you, then I guess as long as I’m posting here, I am boned.

But really though, I can’t remember the last time I met girl who didn’t like at least 2 of the artists you posted. Maybe you need to open your mind a little more, not every piece of music has to be a masterpiece of innovative wonderment.

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But really though, I can’t remember the last time I met girl who didn’t like at least 2 of the artists you posted.

Well, the last 2 girlfriends I had didn't like any of those bands. But then, out of nowhere, like an evil mist, country music showed up in their regular listening. That, more or less sealed their fate. I have zero tolerance for country. Major deal breaker.

Lmao, I’m a musician, and I don’t even take what others listen to THAT seriously.

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Lmao, I’m a musician, and I don’t even take what others listen to THAT seriously.

Yeah, I can kind of see your point. But someone that listens to country has much more wrong with them than just bad taste. There's something missing in the brain of a person that listens to country. Listening to country is an indication of deep seeded cerebral faultiness.

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But someone that listens to country has much more wrong with them than just bad taste. There's something missing in the brain of a person that listens to country. Listening to country is an indication of deep seeded cerebral faultiness.

That's just stupid. Condemning an entire genre of music is always the result of bad taste. Maybe if all the country you ever listened to was the crap that has been spewing off the radio all these years. Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, Guy Clark, Hank Williams. Great artists. Saying all country music sucks is a far-reaching statement. Stephen Malkmus, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Jack White, to name a few, have all done some great work in this genre. But you probably think they suck too. Possibly you are judging the genre from the radio, in which case all music sucks. I'm not really a big country fan necessarily, I would defend against any genre statement. Also, "post Insomniac" (assuming Greenday) is not bad, and I'm really sick of the lame Greenday bashing trend. I'm not even much of a Greenday fan, but music fans these days are often more concerned with their own elitist persona than the truth. However, your assessment of Bon Jovi's douchiness is bang on.

What’s wrong with Bon Jovi??? Ok the newer stuff ain’t my favourite music in the world BUT have you ever been to a jam packed club with a live band and they play ‘You Give Love a Bad Name’, it goes right off!

It’s classic 80’s Pop Rock! Jon Bon Jovi has a fantastic rock voice as well.

I don't like his music, but I can easily admit he made some good 80's pop songs. I'm not really saying anything valid against him. I just think he's a douche. I don't like jocular musicians who take pride in being "rock stars". There is nothing more lame than that. I'm a musician, but the last thing I would ever want to be seen as is a conventional rock poser douche like Bon Jovi or Motley Crue or any of "those types". Thom Yorke once claimed Radiohead wasn't a rock band and that he never wanted to be in one. He then listed various artists typically associated with the term "rock"(Nirvana, Sonic Youth, Joy Division, the Beatles) as not being "rock" bands either. At first I thought that was just him trying to be exactly what he was claiming he wasn't. An elitist, cryptic, self-important rock star (huge Radiohead fan for the record). However, in retrospect, I think I get what he meant. When you define yourself by one word you are putting yourself in a category with too many of those that never had any worthwhile ambitions whatsoever. It's embarassing. What makes a "rock" band? Guitars? For the record, any of those bands could easily be deemed "rock" in the right context....that's not my point, and I find nothing wrong with liking vintage mainstream "fun" bands like that. Actually it's endearing to know that you have a sense of humor to your love of music. There is nothing more lame than musical elitists, for I wonder if they are more in love with music of the image they want out of it.

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Originally posted by hudson:
But someone that listens to country has much more wrong with them than just bad taste. There's something missing in the brain of a person that listens to country. Listening to country is an indication of deep seeded cerebral faultiness.

That's just stupid. Condemning an entire genre of music is always the result of bad taste. Maybe if all the country you ever listened to was the crap that has been spewing off the radio all these years. Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard, Guy Clark, Hank Williams. Great artists. Saying all country music sucks is a far-reaching statement. Stephen Malkmus, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Jack White, to name a few, have all done some great work in this genre. But you probably think they suck too. Possibly you are judging the genre from the radio, in which case all music sucks. I'm not really a big country fan necessarily, I would defend against any genre statement. Also, "post Insomniac" (assuming Greenday) is not bad, and I'm really sick of the lame Greenday bashing trend. I'm not even much of a Greenday fan, but music fans these days are often more concerned with their own elitist persona than the truth. However, your assessment of Bon Jovi's douchiness is bang on.

In all fairness to hudson (hudson, mark this on your calendar, because I'm defending you!), he did specify country within the last fifteen years, so I'm assuming he's referring to the Garth Brooks, Toby Keith, Shania Twain variety, and he's a little more okay with the classic stuff. I tend to agree with him on that.

I'm not an avid Bon Jovi fan -- I did own Slippery When Wet on vinyl -- but the few interviews I've seen with JBJ, he's always seemed like a pretty down-to-earth guy. Bon Jovi has always played up their working class New Jersey roots and have, in my experience, tried to come across as the hair band version of Springsteen or John Cougar Mellencamp.

It’s all good smiley, I knew what you were getting at , I say whatever melts your butter, I believe there is a level of theatrical value that the audience can appreciate from Artists like Bon Jovi, although I’ve never met Jon Bon Jovi, so I can’t be certain, but I think if anything, he puts the cliché image on for the crowds entertainment, but with artists like Tommy Lee, I wonder if he actually applies the clichés of being a Rock Star to his day-to-day life.

I personally don’t mind the whole Rock Star image ‘thing’, as long as the artist can back it up with good music, doesn’t have their head way up their arse, and most of all, if it’s all in good humour.

I remember watching Rock Star Supernova last years, that’s an example of where I agree with you completely, Tommy Lee and Dave Navarro were driving me nuts, I can’t remember which one of them said it, but one of them said: ‘that was sautéed in wrong sauce’ in response to one of the vocalists performance, ugh… Not to mention that every five minutes Dave Navarro was flashing his chest to the camera, it just undermined the seriousness of the whole thing, even the guy they picked I thought was the weakest vocalist, both lyrically and vocally, but he had a pretty full on “Rock” image, and I believe that was why Tommy Lee loved him so much, so having said that, I believe there is a fine line between being a “Rock Star” for gimmick and show and being a Douche, as you expressed.

Either way you seem to have a pretty open minded and well educated view on music and musical Artists, and I totally agree with your view on Musical Elitists, in my opinion, people who rag out on popular musicians are just as closed minded as people who only listen to pop music and won’t give any other genre a go, fair enough if you don’t like something that’s fine, but there is a difference between calling something crap, and saying you don’t like something, it’s a bit hypocritical when people try porn them selves off as musical experts to back up their argument, when they disregard other styles or genres of music.

Yeah I agree completely. And Rock Star Supernova made me want to puke. Absolutely disgusting. Really all of those reality singing competitions are quite silly, and have nothing in common with music as an "art" form. They are just image/singing competitions. The singing itself needs to fit the image. Can you imagine if Neil Young was so contrived? Wow. Anyways, even atrociously bad artists such as Hilary Duff(can't even sing) don't really bother me at all. Actually, I think someone like that is good for the industry. It's all supply and demand. Pre-pubescent girls aren't going to listen to wanna listen to Tom Waits. As long as said teen idol(who as we all know isn't there for her songwriting ability) isn't horribly defacing her image for mass consumption, whilst forgetting that her main audience is little girls who look up to her. Imagine all the young girls who wanted to grow up and be like Brittany Spears. Talk about a catastrophe. It's just when the whole "rock star" image comes with a pretension to be a "rock star" that it becomes lame. Usually these artists are terrible, and think they are so damn cool, acting all smug all the time. I like artists like Meat Loaf or Alice Cooper that exaggerated that and made it bombastic. Or Freddie Mercury. Perhaps the greatest example of a rock star trying to be a rock star, while kicking ass. I just realized how massively off-topic I am from the original forum. I love how a lot of the best discussions come completely off topic.