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Originally posted by Il Mago:
That'd be like me saying I have a 15 inch dong (trust me, I do).

Only 15"? Good luck finding a girlfriend, Tiny.


Actually, it doesn't matter if hudson is an artist or not, but the only reason I brought that up was that that I usually see that type of "un-constructive" criticism from people who've never actually invested time in creating something.

It's not that I have thin skin, but as someone who has spent time creating stuff, I'm usually not that brutal when commenting on others' stuff, especially if they respect me enough to ask me for my opinion. The least I can do is show them the same respect.

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Originally posted by EricG75:

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Originally posted by Il Mago:
That'd be like me saying I have a 15 inch dong (trust me, I do).

Only 15"? Good luck finding a girlfriend, Tiny.

Crap. I forgot the decimal in the middle.

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Originally posted by JohnnyNotToScale:
I say, if he wants to be an asshole, let him be an asshole. This is a message board...there's not really that much at stake here, folks.

He didn't really contribute much to the discussion, but neither did anyone who's been chastising him.

Oh, internets.

Quoted for truth.

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Originally posted by EricG75:
I usually see that type of "un-constructive" criticism from people who've never actually invested time in creating something.

I’m not siding with Hudsons style of criticism, and I’m certainly not saying he is an artistic genius, but in my experience I’ve found that skilled artists are often quite arrogant and harsh when critisizying other peoples work, particularly the really talented ones.

I don’t likely see Hudson posting a link to anything he is made now, even if it was mind-blowingly good, everyone would probably just be biased towards it and butcher it like he butchered the song Baas posted.

If you don’t like Hudsons reviews it’s probably better to just ignore them.

I would never publisize a link to my work. I enjoy my privacy and anonymity. Besides, I have nothing to prove to anyone. Nor am I seeking approval or critiques from anyone here. People here are music oriented, my art is not.

I'm just here to talk about music, which is something that i've invested a lot of time in, it's a hobby of mine. Not to mention the fact that i've had to break up with 2 girlfriends because they have such atrocious taste in music, which is indicative of being narrow-minded and dumb.

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Originally posted by hudson:
i've had to break up with 2 girlfriends because they have such atrocious taste in music, which is indicative of being narrow-minded and dumb.

ROFL. I need to get this on a T-Shirt.

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Originally posted by hudson:
Not to mention the fact that i've had to break up with 2 girlfriends because they have such atrocious taste in music, which is indicative of being narrow-minded and dumb.

What exactly is “atrocious taste in music” by your standards?

I’m not siding with Hudsons style of criticism, and I’m certainly not saying he is an artistic genius, but in my experience I’ve found that skilled artists are often quite arrogant and harsh when critisizying other peoples work, particularly the really talented ones.
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Well, that's just a matter of personality. That seems like an implicit attitude towards "talented artists", you probably notice more often when they are arrogant then are not. Perhaps you had certain artists in mind when you wrote that. I don't believe there is any correlation between great artists and being complete assholes. For instance, I wouldn't doubt that Frank Black or Roger Waters would be as you describe, however, I doubt Neil Young, Michael Stipe, Bryan Webb, Kurt Cobain, Bruce Springsteen, or even John Lennon, say, the more "sensitive" types of artists would be at all like that. It's really easy to box in a "type" of people suited for certain prospects, however, in my experience, it's not so cut and dry.

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Posted by Hudson
And don't you worry about me eric, I create plenty. My creations would blow your mind.

This sounds suspiciously like a quote from Howard Moon, great skiter of The Mighty Boosh.

If it is, congrats for a sly bit of humour.....but the boys are right that your critique could be more...lets say....exacting .

"Toffee Sock Scissor Bitch"

I thought Baas's song shows a lot of promise. I think it may demonstrate a little lack of perspective that he posted it before it's complete, or up to a certain standard. But, it's definitely solid evidence that he knows how to do this thing, and therefor has the tools to make the masterpiece that he likely dreams of creating. KEEP AT IT BAAS.

Johnny, you're close. You're definitely above-average at this point. This wouldn't be the best song on the album I imagine you creating... it would be filler on an album that could be discussed in forums like this one around the net. That's a compliment. KEEP AT IT.

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Originally posted by smileyface:
Well, that's just a matter of personality. That seems like an implicit attitude towards "talented artists", you probably notice more often when they are arrogant then are not. Perhaps you had certain artists in mind when you wrote that. I don't believe there is any correlation between great artists and being complete assholes. For instance, I wouldn't doubt that Frank Black or Roger Waters would be as you describe, however, I doubt Neil Young, Michael Stipe, Bryan Webb, Kurt Cobain, Bruce Springsteen, or even John Lennon, say, the more "sensitive" types of artists would be at all like that. It's really easy to box in a "type" of people suited for certain prospects, however, in my experience, it's not so cut and dry.

I agree, it is not cut and dry, I was not descriptive enough in my point But I have definitely come across some very arrogant, but also very talented artists in my time working with other musicians, but that is not to say that ALL talented Artists are arrogant.

[QUOTE]Imagine all my posts as if they were being spoken to you with the voice of Christopher Walken [QUOTE]

Easily the coolest tag line on this site

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Originally posted by smileyface:
[QUOTE]Imagine all my posts as if they were being spoken to you with the voice of Christopher Walken [QUOTE]

Easily the coolest tag line on this site

Cheers smileyface , I find it makes proof reading far more interesting.

The thing that pisses me off is not that you dont like my music hudson, I am completely comfortable with that, and ive dealt with a lot of ppl who dont like it, but its easy to tell when someone is just being a rude dick because hes online and can get away with it.
I actually had no problem with your first comment, in fact I would not have said anything at all to you. It was simply the rude shit you said to me afterwords, such as that "im not worthy to lick the ground boards of canada walk on"
But the others are spot on when they say that your critique was pretty off base for constructive criticism. First, you dont have any points about the actual song, your just saying its garbage. Thats fine with me if you believe that, but that is not what constructive criticism is. Constructive means positive thinking, something you are probably completely alien to.
If you really believe that your critique is mature and well thought out, then your blindness to your own rudeness is going to catch up to you somewhere else down the road. I donno, maybe if you werent so sexually frustrated, you wouldnt be so rude to ppl.
And for you lot who are saying "just ignore him", you are basically telling me that I should just take immature rude crap from ppl. F*** that, I dont put up with second class behavior, and im not going to ignore it when someone is simply being disrespectful

On the thing with arrogant artists. I think you guys are confusing arrogance with confidence. Confident musicians will be rude and unafraid to say what they want, because they have experience and know exactly what is good and isnt. Arrogance is insecurity in hiding. When someone just goes around claiming how good they are like our good friend hudson here, its simply a form of their insecurity coming out because they dont have much real validation from reality, but they still believe that they are really good(like him pointing out that he dumped girlfriends because he has such good taste). Sounds like a typical case of Hubris to me.
Let me give you some examples to clarify my point. Take charles mingus for example. He was one of the shortest tempered musicians ever. He would smash instruments on stage when the other musicians would make a mistake and they were terrified of him. But he is no doubt a complete musical genius. But that was because he was confident, not arrogant. But to an outsider looking in, it might look the opposite. Do you think he would go around claiming to ppl how good he was? Or maybe get in some argument about how to make good art? Of course not, because his work does the only and all speaking for him. People who are truly good at their arts dont argue about it, they simply show. Talk vs Walk.

And since when your called out to bring out your great artwork, you just make some stupid bs excuses about how you "like your privacy", its obvious that you really dont have anything to show, other than your retarded tag line.

My advice to you is to read this and learn some wisdom from it: Here . And maybe get laid, it will help you a lot.

I agree with you on your separation between arrogance and confidence Baas, because the two can easily be confused, however it quite often comes down to opinion for who is arrogant and why, some may right off hudsons behavior as what you defined as confidence.

The reason I believe it’s better to just ignore hudsons type of criticism, is because there is no point trying to argue with him, by doing that, you’re only validating your own lack of confidence in your work, and I believe there is no reason for you to not be confident, because I thought what you made was good.

Besides, if you want to make a form of art like music, you’re going to have to accept that there is always going to be people who like to shoot you dwon, could you imagine if Chad Kroeger from Nickelback tried arguing with every critic in the world who wrote off his music? Lmao He would be arguing for all eternity, not that I’m comparing you to Chad Kroeger, but hopefully you can see my point, there is always people who want to shoot you down with hurtful comments, in my opinion there is no reason associating with people when they’re going to be like that.

First of all, a disclosure. I am a (decidedly amateur) musician. I write and record (primarily on ProTools), but also produce some of my son's work. I know how difficult it can be to do. And I definitely know how nerve wracking and painful it can be to put it up to scrutiny. Truthfully, I don't trust the quality of my work enough to put it out in such a diverse forum. Some folks posting here have heard my work, so they can back me when I say that I am a musician. I won't go so far as to call myself an "artist," however. That has always struck me as a title that can only be conferred by others.

Baas: I like your track. I found it warm, and entertaining enough. I'm always suspicious, in electronica, of how much can be done through programming, rather than through playing. So, if one is going to stand out, I think one has to bring something else to the table. I think the tracks that succeed best are those with irresistible hooks, or heartbreakingly beautiful melodies. I think vocals can be used, but aren't necessary. You're onto something with this track. Keep working on it, and bring it back.

Johnny: I like your track as well. I wonder if you've got the voice as produced as you do because of lack of confidence in your lyrics, (Cf. early REM) or the quality of your voice. If it's either of those, I say let it ring out. Or at least keep the processed vocal on part of the song only (I'd say on the verses), and use a more natural vocal on the choruses. I would also supplement the drums with some "analog" drumming. One of the problems I always run into with Ableton, or similar programs in the fact that the drumming becomes a bit monotonous. A little less "perfection" on the drum track makes things sound warmer. I like the glockenspiel sound. You're very close. Keep at it.

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Originally posted by kendocubano:
First of all, a disclosure. I am a (decidedly amateur) musician. I write and record (primarily on ProTools), but also produce some of my son's work. I know how difficult it can be to do. And I definitely know how nerve wracking and painful it can be to put it up to scrutiny. Truthfully, I don't trust the quality of my work enough to put it out in such a diverse forum. Some folks posting here have heard my work, so they can back me when I say that I am a musician. I won't go so far as to call myself an "artist," however. That has always struck me as a title that can only be conferred by others.

I've heard some of Kendo and Sinny's stuff, and I'll testify that most of it is pretty damn good. I think if he did post it here, he'd get some pretty good responses.

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Originally posted by Alchemy:
What exactly is “atrocious taste in music” by your standards?

Those who have atrocious taste in music are those who listen to, on a regular basis and admire:

Any country music made in the last 15 years.
Nickelback
My Chemical Romance
Say Anything
Good Charlotte
Post-Insomniac Weezer
Avril Lavigne
Sum 41
Chris Daughtry
Def Lepard
Bon Jovi
Gwen Stefani
John Mayer
Matchbox 20

To name a few. I could go on.

Alright, I can't play devil's advocate on that post... he's got a point.

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Originally posted by hudson:

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Originally posted by Alchemy:
What exactly is “atrocious taste in music” by your standards?

Those who have atrocious taste in music are those who listen to, on a regular basis and admire:

Any country music made in the last 15 years.
Nickelback
My Chemical Romance
Say Anything
Good Charlotte
Post-Insomniac Weezer
Avril Lavigne
Sum 41
Chris Daughtry
Def Lepard
Bon Jovi
Gwen Stefani
John Mayer
Matchbox 20

To name a few. I could go on.

I don't listen to any of those. I will say that an occasional Def Lepard or Bon Jovi song can be fun.

I missed out on all the fun on this topic, it appears.