But that can't kill our spirits. I've really been digging the drill 'n' bass of Venetian Snares. Aphex and Squarepusher are wicked too but the Snares just kicks me in the face half the time. Check out "Dollmaker" from his Doll Doll Doll EP for a taste. What have you been doing to avoid the old stream of hard, dark, and fast? (Death to Grooverider!)

d and b dead...yeah maybe.But variations of it are not.I love all of venitian snares work.Also cant wait to hear something from amon tobin sooner or later.

But for sure Venitian Snares has take the "throne" away from aphex twin for the meantime.

Out From Out Where is a wicked album. I'm a huge Ninja Tune fan. If you haven't hear anything by him, check his Solid Steel mix. It's a good sampler.

I have heard everything he has done...and i have the solid tell mix...it is ok.I would have liked it better if iwas there.

There are a few more artists i wanted to name...but being at work i cant quite think of em'...i will post agin in a bit!

Pretty much everything Photek has done has been really intelligent and just plain nasty. I also like the first couple of Spring Heel Jack and Icarus albums but their later free-jazz stuff it cool in a different way. For more mainstream DnB, I like Hive and Concord Dawn but I find Ed Rush and Optical, Bad Company, and stuff like that tends to run together after a while. Oh yeah, and Breakbeat Era's album has to be one of the best all-time but that was like 5 years ago.

Actually...thinking about it now.I am really not a huge fan of traditional drun and bass.I am obviously referencing the "measuring tool" of drum and bass which is Roni Size "New Forms".Like i said I enjoy a more aggresive sound like Amon Tobin or Squarepusher and especially Aphex Twin.

But i guess i am just an electronic fan in genearal.I am actually really liking alot of the older warp stuff...and now that it is so easy to get ahold of on Bleep...i have been getting alot of stuff that i wasnt able to get when i was younger.Just a few examples of what i have downloaded...

Autechre-Incunabula
F.U.S.E-Dimension Intrusion (Richie Hawtin)
Polygon Window-Ride the Sine Waves (Aphex Twin)

and of course both black dog albums...which trump anything plaid has done since.Of course i love what plaid does...but when they were the black dog there was an edge to their peoduction...that they have since lost as plaid.Maybe they did that on purpose...trying for a different sound.

I was kind of curious what you thought about merck...if u have noticed i have posted alot on metacritic...and i have a whole thread of just merck stuff.I think that they draw alot from many styles of electronic music.

Here is some stuff that i have been listening to lately...some new...some old.

Solvent-Solvent City
Apples and Synthesizers
The Other People Place-Lifestyles of the laptop cafe'
Hrvatski-Swarm and Dither
Mr.Projectile-Sinking
Farben-Texstar
Phonem-Hydro Electric
Esem-Serial Human
Helios-Unomia
Populous-Quipo
Machine Drm-The Bidnezz

And i will buy anything that Lackluster touches.I think has some genious productions.His sound is unique and extremely addictive..at least i find.

Plus he is extremely generous...there is at least 3 albums worth of freemusic on his website...and i posted that in the merck thread down there...but nobody really noticed.

Check it out and tell me what u think!

Just a few minutes ago on Seattle's KEXP I heard "Velocity Curves" from James Hardway's album Easy Is A Four Letter Word. It really caught my ears. What can you two tell me about him?

Now Playing: "Hey Girl" Delays Faded Seaside Glamour streaming on Seattle's KEXP

Never heard of him. Sorry.

Yeah i have one of his albums.

He programs and plays almost all his own stuff.It is kind of a mixture of jazz and aggresive drum programming.I amnot quite sure about that album...but the one i got is quite similar to amon tobin...but of course it is hard to compare to amon tobin...because he is the man and his own unique sound.

I am sure you can look him up on allmusic or something if u want specifics.

I know that album specifically is a collection of his better work from 2 albums out on shadow records.I actually have the greatest hits from shadow records here..and he is on it a few times...anyways.It is a kind of best of i think.


Thats funny they played it on kexp...i would not think they would.I usually tune into their electronic show when i can...but i guess they mixed in with the norm for the daily mix?Nice.

Sorry cant help any more than that.

That's a lot of help, Imprezu21, thanks.

I think the fact that KEXP worked it into their usual daily mix is what caught my ears, which says good things about the way they program a radio station. A surprise here and there keeps things interesting.

Aside from that, I think the overt jazz influence on the track is what got my attention. The Blue Series CDs that Sweetie and you have advocated so aggressively this past year are good examples of the continuation of that same mix of jazz styles, electronica, and sampling. I think part of my frustration with jazz as a genre has been the fact that I've been listening to too many jazz musicians trying to reinvent the wheel rather than spending time with musicians who approach the genre from a totally different direction.

I remember when drum & bass first began to be established as a style. A friend of mine in Nashville told me about it, which was a bit of a shock since it was well outside of his usual preferred genres. In retrospect, I should have paid closer attention then, which makes this thread all the more interesting to me now.

Thanks to both of you for the helpful banter.

Now Playing: "Silver Lake (Vodavine Mix)" James Hardway Easy is a Four Letter Word (Shadow)

yeah ilove kexp...they always throw in a bit of a loop on their daily variety shows.

You should really checkout Red Snapper then..."making bones" is
a near classic.And they implement a real nice jazzy sound...and it has its aggressive moments and its smoother moments.

Easily worth the price if u can find it used.

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and of course both black dog albums...which trump anything plaid has done since.Of course i love what plaid does...but when they were the black dog there was an edge to their peoduction...that they have since lost as plaid.Maybe they did that on purpose...trying for a different sound.

Totally. I joined this forum just to respond.

Ed and Andy left Black Dog and since formed Plaid. I am a fanatical plaid fan and have posted interviews with Andy and the guy making their HUGE DVD due out on warp this fall, Bob Jaroc.

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My point being, Spanners, Byters, Temple of the Transparent Balls and Parallel all own on everything since, but its comparing apples to oranges.

I finally got around to listening to Black Dog (as just Ken Downie) and must say it is

Nu:Tone-Brave Nu World

This is some sweet melodic drumb and bass.It is out on hospital records.Would reccomend checking it out.

Of course the new v-snares.

Imagine the kronos quartet making an album with aphex twin.Or if u know v-snares stuff...then aaron funk himself.

Easily my favorite album from him ever.

When people say 'dead' when referring to music they generally mean 'not popular in any particular group anymore'.

I didn't care when rock was dead in the 90s, and I don't care if drum n bass is dead now. The popularity of a piece has no impact on my desire to listen to it either way.

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Originally posted by Bobthespirit:
When people say 'dead' when referring to music they generally mean 'not popular in any particular group anymore'.

I didn't care when rock was dead in the 90s, and I don't care if drum n bass is dead now. The popularity of a piece has no impact on my desire to listen to it either way.

No, I didn't mean it in terms of popularity actually. I couldn't care if anything is popular or not. In fact, DnB is still peaking in popularity right now. I mean dead in terms of creativity and artistry. The popular producers are all making the same dark, hard, and fast midless drivel. The genre has gone stale.