The Monks - Black Monk Time
The Saints - Stranded

What the fuck else d'ya need?

I have a secret to share... I just can't get into the Saints for some reason. I know, i don't know what's wrong with me, but it happened that way and there's nothing i can do about it.

Don't shame my gentle spirit.

This kind of turns this topic into a discussion, but i once wrote a paper on how punk was easily the most influential musical form, and that damn near everything since that initial boom has been influenced by punk (in one way or another).

I more broke it down in the underground, but it basically went on to posit how punk, as a genre, begat pre-indie-rock which, in turn, gave birth to innumerable other influential bands. The DIY ethos of punk, according to my paper, paved the way for post-punk, whose radical re-envisioning of punk gave birthy to Post-Rock (Slint was very much in the vein of Post-Punk before Spiderland), Trip-Hop (Massive Attack often mirrors the dub-punk stylings of P.I.L.), Noise (Too many bands to name in post-punk helped form this one, but This Heat and Throbbing Gristle work nicely), and, eventually, indie (bands like Pavement, Replacements, Dinosaur Jr., Pixies, etc. all started with a punk ethos and turned out to be the pillars of the genre).

It's hard to think of an indie-rock band that hasn't been influenced by punk, even twee, borne out of bands like Beat Happening and the Vaselines, bands who took DIY to a new level by stripping their sound of everything but rudimentary instrumentation and monotone vocals.

Hell, My Bloody Valentine sounded like the Birthday Party on their first album. Don't believe me? Get "This is Your Bloody Valentine" if you can find it anywhere.

The fact that R.E.M. cites Go4 as a pivotal influence should illustrate how influential punk rock really is. Without punk, there would be no Nirvana. Without punk, the 80's would've been the worst musical decade ever. Without punk, damn near everything that we like would be completely different. Punk added more danger to rock and roll, made it vicious, made it something to believe in. It's not dead, it's just obscured by facelessness right now.

Man i love talking about this kind of crap, so don't mind my ramblings.

No, I completely agree with you. And if it wasn't for those punks taking it upon themself (DIY) then how long would it have taken for some other scene to do it? And where would fashion and design magazines be without that term?! OH NOES!!

Posted by Clevername84

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I just can't get into the Saints for some reason. I know, i don't know what's wrong with me,

Keep listening and one day you will be a fully rounded person my son.

Okay, first off, my top ten:

1. The Sex Pistols - Nevermind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols
2. The Clash - London Calling
3. The Ramones - The Ramones
4. Iggy and The Stooges - Raw Power
5. The Police - Outlandos Amor
6. Green Day - Dookie
7. The Ramones - Rocket To Russia
8. The Clash - Sandanista!
9. Less Than Jake - Hello Rockview
10. X - Los Angeles

And secondly - are you serious folks????? Not one mention of The Sex Pistols on here? It's in Rolling Stones top forty albums of all time list!!! And it's by far the hardest rocking, most awesomely amazing punk album ever! IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED IT OUT, GIVE IT A SPIN! PLEASE!

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Originally posted by GSCalver411:
And secondly - are you serious folks????? Not one mention of The Sex Pistols on here? It's in Rolling Stones top forty albums of all time list!!! And it's by far the hardest rocking, most awesomely amazing punk album ever! IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED IT OUT, GIVE IT A SPIN! PLEASE!

I don't know if i'm alone in this opinion, but i just don't really care about the Sex Pistols (or, ahem, the Ramones for that matter). I find them both boring, and would much rather listen to the Damned or the Clash.

Question, though (and this isn't questioning your judgment at all, so don't take it that way): How does Less Than Jake fall into that list? Green Day i guess i can understand (not my cup of tea), but the Less Than Jake inclusion seems a bit iffy to me considering this is an "All-Time" list. I'm open to your reasoning, so don't think that i'm trying to attack you.

Clash - London Calling
Fugazi - Umm...every album they ever made! But I'll narrow it down to End Hits, The Argument, and Repeater
Rancid - Life Won't Wait OR Rancid (2000)
McLusky - Do Dallas
Nirvana - In Utero (debatable if this is 'punk' as a lot of people would label it grunge)
The Distillers - Sing Sing Death House
Jawbox - For Your Own Special Sweetheart
Social D - Self titled

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the MC5...they were perhaps the original punk band.

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Originally posted by CleverName84:

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Originally posted by GSCalver411:
And secondly - are you serious folks????? Not one mention of The Sex Pistols on here? It's in Rolling Stones top forty albums of all time list!!! And it's by far the hardest rocking, most awesomely amazing punk album ever! IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED IT OUT, GIVE IT A SPIN! PLEASE!

I don't know if i'm alone in this opinion, but i just don't really care about the Sex Pistols (or, ahem, the Ramones for that matter). I find them both boring, and would much rather listen to the Damned or the Clash.

While I am a Sex Pistols fan (though not a Ramones fan) there are a hell of a lot more albums that I feel are more pertinent to Punk and my taste than the Sex Pistols.Secondly, is Rolling Stone putting the album in their all-time top 50 going to change my opinion. Nope.. Rolling Stone's lists make me laugh because they show how relevant Rolling Stone is (their lists are always consensus greats and safe picks like the Sex Pistols).

You know, since this includes subgenres, i wonder if anyone would scowl if i mentioned Botch, Dillinger Escape Plan, or Giddy Motors.

I also forgot Clockcleaner, Pissed Jeans, and The Fall (criminal that i forgot them in the numerical list).

Sex Pistols just never did much for me; i much prefer Black Flag or Minutemen or the Adolescents (OC Pride beeeeyotch... I'm kidding, i swear).

Black Flag's My War deserves a mention, though if you take the best bits from it and Slip It In, you'd have a stone-cold classic on your hands.

Dicks were pretty awesome, though their recorded output is spotty (which sucks because i wish i wasn't an infant when they were around), so be cautious.

Flipper... my god i can't believe i forgot that. "Sex Bomb" and "Ever" provided the blueprint for the Butthole Surfers, Nirvana (to an extent), and Pissed Jeans i can tell have listened to Flipper religiously at some point.

Dillinger Escape Plan is metalcore, so I probably wouldn't include it (even if it is "core"). Although I'll probably include Botch on my list.
I'm seriously procrastinating making this list.. I've become so sickeningly anal about lists that they take me forever to compile now. I need to just relax and say "fuck it".

Nah, "fuck it" doesn't work, because it's pretty evident that i forgot things and tried to backtrack... This Nation's Saving Grace belonged in my top 10, so i'm kind of hurting over that.

It's a little premature for me, but No Age or Times New Viking might be something that would make it on there. I also forgot Minor Threat, which irks me, and Boredoms doesn't really belong on there now that i think about it (they're pretty far removed from punk rock). Others that could've made it are Jay Reatard, Six Finger Satellite, Black Lips, King Khan, The Exploding Hearts, Devo, Swans, Meat Puppets, the Cramps, Bad Brains, and so on and on.

Holy Fuck!!! I forgot Les Savy Fav's ROME EP and The Cat and the Cobra. For shame on my part, i absolutely love both of those albums.

I'm too lazy to go back and look at your list to see which Boredoms is on it, but if it's early (before they became almost solely rhythmic focused) then I wouldn't say it's too far off from punk; specifically Onanie Bomb... or Soul Discharge.

what about The Descendents Milo Goes to College, I haven't seen anybody mention them, or Minor Threats First two 7"s on a 12"

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Originally posted by JGlass:
I'm too lazy to go back and look at your list to see which Boredoms is on it, but if it's early (before they became almost solely rhythmic focused) then I wouldn't say it's too far off from punk; specifically Onanie Bomb... or Soul Discharge.

It was Super AE, so it's not too close to punk rock... Though i guess noise would be a subgenre to punk. Punk encompasses too much music i think.

Everyone needs to check out The Cranium... I think there are two bands with the same name (just Cranium is the other one) but I'm talking about the one where two members went on to form Gang Gang Dance. It reminds me of the Pop Group at times, Dillinger Escape Plan at others (though more free-form than DEP and with Punk as the foundation rather than metal), and is completely intense through and through. Don't expect it to sound like Gang Gang Dance, it's dirty, it's fierce, it's amazing. Go get it someone.

These are some of my favs. Since it said sub-genres it was hard to just come up with ten and some of these may not be straight "punk."...

EPs
Misfits - Horror Business
Samhain - Unholy Passion
NoFx - Decline
NoFx - Longest line
AFI - A Fire Inside(the Misfits Cover is amazing)



older...
Stooges- Fun House
Black Flag - Damaged
X - Los Angeles
Descendents - I don't wanna' grow up
Misfits - Collection I (1988)
The Damned - (Black Album)
Ramones - Rocket To Russia
Adolescents - (self titled)
Bad Religion - How Could Hell Be Any Worse?
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit...

Not as old...
Bad Religion - Stranger than Fiction
Rancid - Rancid
Melvins - Hoodini
Op Ivy - energy
Fugazi - Repeater
Big Black - Songs about Fucking
Dwarves - Blood Guts & Pussy
Nofx - Punk in Drublic
LARD-The Last Temptation Of Reid
Slayer - Undisputed Attitude (Classic Punk Cover Songs from the gods of Trash, It is awesome!)

Newer stuff i've been into I'll wait till the decades over to make a top ten.
The Sick - ...And the Hell With It!
Strung Out - An American Paradox
Alkaline Trio - From Here to Infirmary (great pop!)
Flogging Molly - Drunken Lullabies
Jello Biafra w/ The Melvins - Never Breathe What You Can't See
Locust - Plague Soundscapes
Dillinger Escape Plan & Mike Patton - Irony Is A Dead Scene
Mondo Generator - A Drug Problem That Never Existed
Git Some - Cosmic Rock (i dig these guys a lot, stripped down Rock)

God, to read this thread, you'd be forgiven for thinking punk was an exclusively North american phenomenon.

let's hear it for Radio Birdman
Celibate Rifles
Hard-Ons
Lime Spiders
The Reals
Bodyjar
...and a ton of other Oz pub bands who keep the true idea of punk, as a philosophy that one be one's own self, alive.

pm3 wrote:
Slayer - Undisputed Attitude (Classic Punk Cover Songs from the gods of Trash, It is awesome!)
bravo!!! lots of metalheads here in cro told me in conversation that "Slayer taught those punks how to play".nonsense!Its a hommage album to all those punk groups they were listening as kids.Hardcore in its best.
LARD-The Last Temptation Of Reid
overlooked for the same reason.but Biafra is here.
X - Los Angeles
maybe too pop for some but billy zoom plays guitar like a maniac.
Nirvana - In utero,Incesticide
this is punk,very good one,dont believe anybody
who says opposite.
Swans are very,very scary.are they punks?
no,they are demon-punks.
Fugazi - some people dont like their straight edge philosophy.Nevermind,Repeater was great.

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Originally posted by Kulturtrager:
God, to read this thread, you'd be forgiven for thinking punk was an exclusively North american phenomenon.

let's hear it for Radio Birdman
Celibate Rifles
Hard-Ons
Lime Spiders
The Reals
Bodyjar
...and a ton of other Oz pub bands who keep the true idea of punk, as a philosophy that one be one's own self, alive.

Bodyjar is pretty great but I'd never really elevate them to Top 10 category just on personal taste.

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Originally posted by JGlass:

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Originally posted by CleverName84:

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Originally posted by GSCalver411:
And secondly - are you serious folks????? Not one mention of The Sex Pistols on here? It's in Rolling Stones top forty albums of all time list!!! And it's by far the hardest rocking, most awesomely amazing punk album ever! IF YOU'VE NEVER TRIED IT OUT, GIVE IT A SPIN! PLEASE!

I don't know if i'm alone in this opinion, but i just don't really care about the Sex Pistols (or, ahem, the Ramones for that matter). I find them both boring, and would much rather listen to the Damned or the Clash.

While I am a Sex Pistols fan (though not a Ramones fan) there are a hell of a lot more albums that I feel are more pertinent to Punk and my taste than the Sex Pistols.Secondly, is Rolling Stone putting the album in their all-time top 50 going to change my opinion. Nope.. Rolling Stone's lists make me laugh because they show how relevant Rolling Stone is (their lists are always consensus greats and safe picks like the Sex Pistols).

I've made the same argument about metacritic lists.