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Originally posted by krugulitis:
I am a fan of music today that could be considered no-wave derivative (Liars, etc.) and I was wondering what album(s) you guys would recommend starting with to get into no-wave?

Obviously the No New York release is a great place to start. Some other good releases and compilations:

James Chance and the Contortions - Buy
Glenn Branca - Songs '77-'79
Mars - 78+
Theoretical Girls - Theoretical Record
DNA - DNA On DNA

That new book No Wave by Marc Masters has also turned me on to quite a few other hidden gems, including a no wave operetta collaboration between members of Mars and DNA called John Gavanti. Wow, is that some weird and wacky stuff!

John Gavanti is def. quite insane and very intriguing.

Some of the stuff you're find on No New York is def. worth exploring further. Besides what's already been mentioned, Liquid Liquid's s/t and ESG's A South Bronx Story (One and Two).

Also, James White and the Black's Off White is a classic (James Chance of the Contortions).

i appreciate the rec's. i'm enjoying most of it, especially DNA.

Don't neglect Teenage Jesus & the Jerks. I think you can still easily find the compilation Everything that came out on Atavistic a few years ago.

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Originally posted by Maximum Jack:
Don't neglect Teenage Jesus & the Jerks. I think you can still easily find the compilation Everything that came out on Atavistic a few years ago.

i'm not neglecting them, i just prefer DNA. i'm having trouble finding the comp you mentioned - could u post a link please?

Shoot. I thought it was still readily available. Here's the link to the AMG blurb. It looks like you can purchase the download from iTunes for $9.99.

i'm in a kind of pseudo-punk phase and i need punk recommandations. Punk bands i already know and like:

Mclusky
Refused
AFI
Cursive (ugly organ)
The Hives
Atari Tenage Riot (kinda)
Bad Brains
Alexisonfire
Jesus Lizard (dont know much about them but sounds good)

The only one I'd actually consider punk would be Bad Brains...

and no offense, but this is the Post-punk and No wave thread Egg. This is not at all the right thread.

ETE, I'm not sure what you're looking for. Do you want post-punk recs from the original era, or do you want recommendations for current bands that sound like the ones you mentioned?

Back to the thread, I found a pretty interesting document of American Post-punk this weekend in a second hand store. The Young Snakes featuring Aimee Mann

I'm not even an Aimee Mann fan really, but the liner notes on the back of the CD had me feeling I had found something pretty special:

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"One Thing led to another and we formed a band with myself on drums, a guitarist named Doug Vargas and the girl with pink hair who later became slightly famous with 'Til Tuesday, Aimee Mann. We called ourselves the Young Snakes. We started out as a quirky Talking Heads type group but leaned more to the British post-punk sound of Joy Division, Killing Joke, Gang of Four, Delta Five, Cure, etc. and started getting gigs at a local Boston club called the Underground. We managed to get one song on a compilation album and recorded an entire studio LP which remains unreleased . . . until Now!"-- David L. Brown (a.k.a. Dave Bass)

After listening to it a few times already, it isn't really spectacular, but I like it better than anything else Aimee Mann has ever done. The bands mentioned in the liner notes might have been a stepping off point, but I don't really hear that level of greatness here. Probably more on the third or fourth tier of American post-punk bands like Come On or Bush Tetras. The most interesting track for me is the difficult "Karl K9". I say 'difficult' because Mann sings like Anna Gasteyer's character, Bobbi Mohan-Culp, but the song is nevertheless interesting due to it's Pylon-esque, dance-y polyrhythms.

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ETE, I'm not sure what you're looking for. Do you want post-punk recs from the original era, or do you want recommendations for current bands that sound like the ones you mentioned?

just shoot me punk recommandations - like everything that sounds punk

Start here.

I picked up Wire's Chairs Missing a month ago. It's been a bit slow coming, but I've listened to the album a couple of times today and I can safely say that I love it now. Aside from Pink Flag and 154, are there other Wire albums worth exploring?

It's wonderful to see new converts to the mighty Wire.

Put aside their '80's work, which by their own standards is poor and catch up again with the recent stuff, especially Send.

I also strongly recommend On the Box, a live cd/dvd set. It covers material from the '70's only, but the tracks are harsher and harder than the album ones.

Although I love Wire's original releases, I've never checked out their albums after the original break-up. Maybe I'll have to put them on my list of things to check out... for curiosity's sake.

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Posted by Jglass: That new book No Wave by Marc Masters has also turned me on to quite a few other hidden gems, including a no wave operetta collaboration between members of Mars and DNA called John Gavanti. Wow, is that some weird and wacky stuff!

Pitchfork had a nice excerpt from that book if anyone is interested. I found it pretty intriguing. I might pick up the book in the near future. No!

I've been listening to Suicide's s/t debut quite a lot lately. I love every song except "Frankie Teardrop", which I just plain don't like at all. I guess that's the price you pay for ambition, though

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I don't have any other suggestions, although if you haven't already picked it up, you might want to read Rip it UP and Start Again: Post Punk 1978-1984 by Simon Reynolds.

I read through this recently. Pretty good book. Strangely I think the section I found the most interesting was the Malcolm McLaren/Bow Wow Wow/Adam Ant chapter. Not that I remotely like or agree with Malcolm. He's just an odd character in music history. It's an informative and entertaining read - highly recommended for anyone interested in the genre.

It is very informative. That book took me past Liars and introduced me to many of my favorite albums.

Are there any good books that focus on current "indie" or otherwise non-mainstream music JGlass?

There is the Da Capo series of books which releases a book each year of "the best" music writing from that year. While it tends to focus on all different genres (expect to see a piece on Jay-Z, Van Morrison, and whatever the Indie flavor of the month was).

For current, that's really all I can think of.

Otherwise, there are the 33 1/3 series, there's Our Band Could Be Your Life, there are a lot of really interesting books on Avant-Garde (I've been meaning to pick up one of Cage's books), etc.